Survivor concert in Akron Ohio on July 4th

[Red13JoePa]

I read an article in a magazine one time where the writer said that he considered Oceans to have the best guitar solo of the year.

Maybe Frankie's finest solo hour ever.

[Red13JoePa]

RED BABY! I think it's a midwestern thing! LOL! Cruzin....backstreets......rebelgirls....and of course Chicago is a kickass city, but most of these guys grew up in the burbs.

No, it was the Sman not me who ripped those bacsktreet/boulevard/cars/rebels/citylights/scraping by kinda lyrics.

they've been part and parcel to the band from the word "go" so I dig it.

Like Springsteen singing about boardwalks, arcades, bars, rivers, dirtroads and girls.

Gotta have it.

[Slander]

Overall, WSC ranks as one of my least favorite albums, but it does still have it's good points too.

I have always thought that Jimi's voice was at it's absolute best on the WSC album.

CLYG is a great song, Frankie Rocks on it, and I love Marc's drumming on it, Very soulfull singing from Jimi.

Oceans is another highlight of the album, again very soulfull vocals from Jimi. I read an article in a magazine one time where the writer said that he considered Oceans to have the best guitar solo of the year.

My brother, who is not a Survivor fan overall, but who likes some of their songs, says that he thinks that BSLA is the only good song from WSC.

Funny thing, at the high school that I went to the band t-shirts that you would always see the most were Van Halen, Rush, Iron Maiden and Kiss, but the shirt that you would probably see the fifth most at the time was the WSC shirt. I used to see those everywhere at school or around town.

Where you living overseas? Just curious.

[silvergirl66]

Sorry Red:)

[Slander]

RED BABY! I think it's a midwestern thing! LOL! Cruzin....backstreets......rebelgirls....and of course Chicago is a kickass city, but most of these guys grew up in the burbs.

No, it was the Sman not me who ripped those bacsktreet/boulevard/cars/rebels/citylights/scraping by kinda lyrics.

they've been part and parcel to the band from the word "go" so I dig it.

Like Springsteen singing about boardwalks, arcades, bars, rivers, dirtroads and girls.

Gotta have it.

Actually I was responding from a comment by 7. I believe that Peterik has a fascination with NOIR. You know like old movies? I don't think talk of streets fits Jamo. I think it is much better suited to the edgier voice of the man in the beret.

[Red13JoePa]

My bad, dude.

Yep, everyday street tough life's a big part of the Srvr cannon.

[Slander]

My bad, dude.

Yep, everyday street tough life's a big part of the Srvr cannon.

amen.

[Journey/Survivor]

Overall, WSC ranks as one of my least favorite albums, but it does still have it's good points too.

I have always thought that Jimi's voice was at it's absolute best on the WSC album.

CLYG is a great song, Frankie Rocks on it, and I love Marc's drumming on it, Very soulfull singing from Jimi.

Oceans is another highlight of the album, again very soulfull vocals from Jimi. I read an article in a magazine one time where the writer said that he considered Oceans to have the best guitar solo of the year.

My brother, who is not a Survivor fan overall, but who likes some of their songs, says that he thinks that BSLA is the only good song from WSC.

Funny thing, at the high school that I went to the band t-shirts that you would always see the most were Van Halen, Rush, Iron Maiden and Kiss, but the shirt that you would probably see the fifth most at the time was the WSC shirt. I used to see those everywhere at school or around town.

Where you living overseas? Just curious.

No.

I live in a suburb of Cleveland Ohio.

[Slander]

Overall, WSC ranks as one of my least favorite albums, but it does still have it's good points too.

I have always thought that Jimi's voice was at it's absolute best on the WSC album.

CLYG is a great song, Frankie Rocks on it, and I love Marc's drumming on it, Very soulfull singing from Jimi.

Oceans is another highlight of the album, again very soulfull vocals from Jimi. I read an article in a magazine one time where the writer said that he considered Oceans to have the best guitar solo of the year.

My brother, who is not a Survivor fan overall, but who likes some of their songs, says that he thinks that BSLA is the only good song from WSC.

Funny thing, at the high school that I went to the band t-shirts that you would always see the most were Van Halen, Rush, Iron Maiden and Kiss, but the shirt that you would probably see the fifth most at the time was the WSC shirt. I used to see those everywhere at school or around town.

Where you living overseas? Just curious.

No.

I live in a suburb of Cleveland Ohio.

Okay Midwest that explains it then. I don't think they nearly had that kind of popularity on the west coast.

[Journey/Survivor]

Overall, WSC ranks as one of my least favorite albums, but it does still have it's good points too.

I have always thought that Jimi's voice was at it's absolute best on the WSC album.

CLYG is a great song, Frankie Rocks on it, and I love Marc's drumming on it, Very soulfull singing from Jimi.

Oceans is another highlight of the album, again very soulfull vocals from Jimi. I read an article in a magazine one time where the writer said that he considered Oceans to have the best guitar solo of the year.

My brother, who is not a Survivor fan overall, but who likes some of their songs, says that he thinks that BSLA is the only good song from WSC.

Funny thing, at the high school that I went to the band t-shirts that you would always see the most were Van Halen, Rush, Iron Maiden and Kiss, but the shirt that you would probably see the fifth most at the time was the WSC shirt. I used to see those everywhere at school or around town.

Where you living overseas? Just curious.

No.

I live in a suburb of Cleveland Ohio.

Okay Midwest that explains it then. I don't think they nearly had that kind of popularity on the west coast.

Yeah, back in the 80's you could actually find Survivor t-shirts and bumper stickers sold in some stores in the Cleveland area. From the EOTT through the THTS era you would sometimes see Survivor posters hanging on the walls in music stores around here.

[Slander]

[/quote]
Yeah, back in the 80's you could actually find Survivor t-shirts and bumper stickers sold in some stores in the Cleveland area. From the EOTT through the THTS era you would sometimes see Survivor posters hanging on the walls in music stores around here.[/quote]

I had to beg a local music store to give me a survivor poster back in 82. They had one in the back room all beat up. I was often shocked at the little fan fare the song received where I lived on the west coast.

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah, back in the 80's you could actually find Survivor t-shirts and bumper stickers sold in some stores in the Cleveland area. From the EOTT through the THTS era you would sometimes see Survivor posters hanging on the walls in music stores around here.[/quote]

I had to beg a local music store to give me a survivor poster back in 82. They had one in the back room all beat up. I was often shocked at the little fan fare the song received where I lived on the west coast.[/quote]

There was a record and CD store near me that had about ten different Survivor posters back in the 80's. A friend of mine who is also a Survivor fan found out about them first and got most of them, but I was later able to get an EOTT and THTS poster from them.

I have read where the guys from Survivor have said that it was even hard to find the THTS CD when it first came out, which is surprising to me because from the very first day that it was out (10-3-1988) you could find several coppies of it in every record store in the Cleveland area.

But I also remember that DKIWL was a top ten hit on the radio here in Cleveland even though it didn't do very well in some parts of the country.

I think that I had heard at the time that one of the local radio stations was the very first station in the country to play DKIWL?

They had one of those battle of the bands things on one of the radio stations here and they had DKIWL go up against Bon Jovi's Bad Medicine and DKIWL won.

I remember High On You was a #1 hit on Cleveland radio when it was first on the radio.

[survivorfan2005]

and now, when was the last time you even SEEN Survivor merchandise... did anyone even notice they're sold out on the bands website?

[Red13JoePa]

Only merchandise I want to see are musical.
Albums, live albums and DVDs.

Survivor could put out a live dvd of recent tour(s) and do it on the cheap. Foreigner did this a few years back, a very bootleggy, guerilla feeling 1 camera shot dvd so their cash outlay was probly minimal but they got in shelves retail.

It's a good live dvd too. Sound is spectacular.

This can be done.

[Slander]

Only merchandise I want to see are musical.
Albums, live albums and DVDs.

Survivor could put out a live dvd of recent tour(s) and do it on the cheap. Foreigner did this a few years back, a very bootleggy, guerilla feeling 1 camera shot dvd so their cash outlay was probly minimal but they got in shelves retail.

It's a good live dvd too. Sound is spectacular.

This can be done.

I don't think Frankie does anything on the cheap. It's not his style. He is a true craftsman.

[Red13JoePa]

I don't think Frankie does anything on the cheap. It's not his style. He is a true craftsman.

And that might be why he does nothing period at least as far as releases are concerned.
Could be waiting for labels to line up and bid to finance, shoot and release a dvd whereas Foreigner put theirs together themselves, THEN found independent distribution, got it in FYEs Circuit Citys, Best Buys, made thousands of fans happy and probably made some money in the process.

But Survivor fans? No dvd for us, because Frankie doesn't like to do anything on the cheap. Tell That to Jimi Jamison by the way, who claims he was inadequately compensated.
Tell it to Billy Ozello who cited the same thing.

[Slander]

I don't think Frankie does anything on the cheap. It's not his style. He is a true craftsman.

And that might be why he does nothing period at least as far as releases are concerned.
Could be waiting for labels to line up and bid to finance, shoot and release a dvd whereas Foreigner put theirs together themselves, THEN found independent distribution, got it in FYEs Circuit Citys, Best Buys, made thousands of fans happy and probably made some money in the process.

But Survivor fans? No dvd for us, because Frankie doesn't like to do anything on the cheap. Tell That to Jimi Jamison by the way, who claims he was inadequately compensated.
Tell it to Billy Ozello who cited the same thing.

There are many sides to every story my friend.

[Red13JoePa]

I guess so.

What's Frankie the big spender's side of those stories? Because all we have to go on are 2 guys who went on the record saying they weren't paid comensurate wages and talented keyboardists who have to give piano lessons on the side and a talented drummer who's got to sit in with bar bands on the side.

[Slander]

I guess so.

What's Frankie the big spender's side of those stories? Because all we have to go on are 2 guys who went on the record saying they weren't paid comensurate wages and talented keyboardists who have to give piano lessons on the side and a talented drummer who's got to sit in with bar bands on the side.

That's there choice. Like I said 2 sides to every story. If Jamo is in such high demand why isn't he with another band. He is an aor legend.

[Red13JoePa]

I guess so.

What's Frankie the big spender's side of those stories? Because all we have to go on are 2 guys who went on the record saying they weren't paid comensurate wages and talented keyboardists who have to give piano lessons on the side and a talented drummer who's got to sit in with bar bands on the side.

That's there choice. Like I said 2 sides to every story. If Jamo is in such high demand why isn't he with another band. He is an aor legend.

It's not about Jamo, it's about me saying Survivor should put out a bare bones dvd and I bet we'd buy it and you saying Frankie doesn't do things on the cheap. Where's this refusal to go cheap when it comes to signing checks for key bandmembers?

[Slander]

I guess so.

What's Frankie the big spender's side of those stories? Because all we have to go on are 2 guys who went on the record saying they weren't paid comensurate wages and talented keyboardists who have to give piano lessons on the side and a talented drummer who's got to sit in with bar bands on the side.

That's there choice. Like I said 2 sides to every story. If Jamo is in such high demand why isn't he with another band. He is an aor legend.

It's not about Jamo, it's about me saying Survivor should put out a bare bones dvd and I bet we'd buy it and you saying Frankie doesn't do things on the cheap. Where's this refusal to go cheap when it comes to signing checks for key bandmembers?

Red you brought Jamo up as some form of evidence that Frankie is cheap. I'm claiming he has no credibility. I believe Frankie is not cheap and doesn't believe in doing things half-assed. I'm sorry Jamo is pissed about getting screwed out of money. Crap Jamo get in line with every other musician in the record industry.

[Journey/Survivor]

My being fortunate enough to have gotten to know the members of Survivor (some better than others) I have heard both sides of the story from most of the main members of the band from over the years in relation to the problems the band has sometimes had with each other.

I do not want to post anything that has been told to me because I don't want to offend any of the guys.

But I will say that there has been wrong doing on both sides (or I should say all sides) and the blame should not be placed on any one or two members alone.

[Red13JoePa]

Well I got sidetracked by the bullshit here, by my point is why is it beneath Survivor to put out a decent self-funded DVD?

[Journey/Survivor]

Well I got sidetracked by the bullshit here, by my point is why is it beneath Survivor to put out a decent self-funded DVD?

No problem.

I wasn't directing that at you or anyone else for that matter. Just that I know that it's not all Jimi's fault or all Frankies fault that things have been so turbulent in the band at times.

I do agree with you on the CD/DVD thing though. I don't see why they can't produce a live DVD that wouldn't cost them a lot to make, and they might even be able to make a small profit off of it?

[7 Wishes]

I guess so.
What's Frankie the big spender's side of those stories? Because all we have to go on are 2 guys who went on the record saying they weren't paid comensurate wages and talented keyboardists who have to give piano lessons on the side and a talented drummer who's got to sit in with bar bands on the side.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Look, I worship Neal Schon as the musical genius he is - perhaps the most underrated axemen of all time - but that doesn't mean I don't think he can be an ass. The JSS thing is proof of that, and his indifference towards his (male) fans after shows and during signings is, ignonomously, legendary.

Not to take anything away from Frankie, but there are a LOT of people who think he's a dick. You can add Peterik to that list. I know what the "company line" was, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Jim couldn't stand being around Frankie anymore.

A former band of mine did pretty well - we had two records (distributred locally), sold a couple thousand of them over a five year period, and we drew good crowds everywhere in the region. Guess what? The guitarist's heorin-addict girlfriend (who was also the former lead singer of the band) was the "business manager". You know what? The two of them kept 80% of the money...not the kind of money we could have survived on (pun intended), but certainly a nice buttress in the account...why? It was "his" band...and thus, also hers. We put up with it because it looked like it just might get us to a place where we could JUST be musicians, and nothing else. Didn't turn out that way, and the shit hit the fan, and the band broke apart.

For ANY long-term member of Survivor to have to play in pubs or teach lessons (which is partly how I pay my bills, too, only I'm not as half as talented as any of those guys) is pure bullshit. I'm sure Frankie enjoys his 77-foot Hattarus and his 17-room mansion, and I'm sure he gives two shits that the guys have to take on second careers. Just like I know he was "looking out for the fans" by ripping us new six-inch assholes if we dared to question (on the old Survivor board forums) why a new album was, oh, 17 years in the making, and why there was ZERO communication between the band and the fans (other than to bust their balls for speaking their minds even politely).

It's par for the course with Frankie. It won't stop me from supporting the band, buying re-issues of records I already own, or seeing them perform live, but it does keep me from having any respect for him outside of the realm of his musicianship.

[Red13JoePa]

I do agree with you on the CD/DVD thing though. I don't see why they can't produce a live DVD that wouldn't cost them a lot to make, and they might even be able to make a small profit off of it?

That is really all I am saying. I think Foreigner made $ on their self-made bare bones (with terrific sound, most importantly Mick Jones ensured the sound was there in 2.0 and 5.1 surround) live release.
I'd love to see these guys do that with the new lineup. At first, Foreigner had it for sale only on their internet site but cleared enough that they were able to secure a retail release through a small indy label.

[Slander]

I do agree with you on the CD/DVD thing though. I don't see why they can't produce a live DVD that wouldn't cost them a lot to make, and they might even be able to make a small profit off of it?

That is really all I am saying. I think Foreigner made $ on their self-made bare bones (with terrific sound, most importantly Mick Jones ensured the sound was there in 2.0 and 5.1 surround) live release.
I'd love to see these guys do that with the new lineup. At first, Foreigner had it for sale only on their internet site but cleared enough that they were able to secure a retail release through a small indy label.

Red I agree with you. It would be nice to have a DVD. I just get tired of the blame game going around. There's a problem on the board with both sides of the Survivor story getting out. That was never more clear than with the miscommunication on the board in regartds to Andrew's concerts. Having said that of course we all want new material. We just want it to be done right. We want a dvd, cd, etc to reach the standard of excellence associated with Survivor. I for one have not been to crazy about some of the things that other band members have done. How about Jamo's first solo efffort? How about JP last solo album? I think Survivor is better than those offerings. I for one am willing to wait. Frankie only settles for nothing less than 100 percent. Have you guys listend to the Ready Eddie or Business As Usual?

[Eyeof]

If frankie does nothing less than 100 percent and all that bla, bla, bla, please explain the lame ass song writing and production on Reach? Hell it wasn't half the CD that the FMS demos where...

[Slander]

If frankie does nothing less than 100 percent and all that bla, bla, bla, please explain the lame ass song writing and production on Reach? Hell it wasn't half the CD that the FMS demos where...

Eye I knew this one was coming. I don't think Reach was half-assed I just don't think it's a great effort. I see nothing wrong with putting FMS songs on the disc. I for one am glad FMS and Seconds Away were on the disc. They are great songs! I didn't think the production was lame either. I don't think it was Jamo's strongest effort. His voice isn't the same although it is strong. So I agree Reach wasn't a bullseye although I remember everybody raving before Jamo was replaced Robin.

[Red13JoePa]

So I agree Reach wasn't a bullseye although I remember everybody raving before Jamo was replaced Robin.

Yep, not a total bullseye but still a DAMN good referendum on where Survivor was, 2006.

Still like Reach a lot.