Eye of the Politician: Cease and Desist (Probably)

[Slander]

i suppose being a complete dumb ass is no reason for you to apologize...you never have before and you've been that pretty much the entire time you've been on here...

Sorry a dumb ass is someone that doesn't think words make a difference. Grow a pair.

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I've heard that same language at Survivor concert before (Cicero, Illinois 1993 or 1994). They (McCain and Palin) weren't saying it as Survivor wasn't saying it. Their respective crowds were.

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

[Slander]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I've heard that same language at Survivor concert before (Cicero, Illinois 1993 or 1994). They (McCain and Palin) weren't saying it as Survivor wasn't saying it. Their respective crowds were.

I love how McSame and Failin thought it was so cute when there warm up acts used Obama's middle name to stir up anger in the crowd. Wow. Very classy. Yeah let's associate Obama with Saddam. Fucking morons.

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I've heard that same language at Survivor concert before (Cicero, Illinois 1993 or 1994). They (McCain and Palin) weren't saying it as Survivor wasn't saying it. Their respective crowds were.

I love how McSame and Failin thought it was so cute when there warm up acts used Obama's middle name to stir up anger in the crowd. Wow. Very classy. Yeah let's associate Obama with Saddam. Fucking morons.

When did that occur. That was used once in Cincy months ago and McCain shot that down right away. Futhermore, it IS his name. Granted it there may be motives but it is the TRUTH. So is the truth and fact hate speech if it is politically incorrect.

[Ehwmatt]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

[Ehwmatt]

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

It damn well might be unfortunately... however if you use the 2-sided analogy like I did, it probably wouldn't be if a liberal did the same thing to a conservative. For instance, is this a hate crime?

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html

Absolutely appalling. 20 years old, mutilated for life, scarred. Sad. I doubt many courts/prosecutors would have the cajones to charge this fuck with a hate crime.

[Slander]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

I think you both are intentionally simplifying a complex issue which is your god given right to do. I honestly don't know how we really got here on this message board. My only real point is that as an artist I think FS has a right to have his song played at rallies of his choosing. If not it could be seen as an endorsement. If you can use songs, what's next images? Where does it end...is that what you say Tito? By the way hate crimes target specific groups and races. You guys are smarter than this. I know you are. And while I'm sorry that the rhetoric was ratcheted up during these posts, I will not apologize for speaking out against hate speech. I will do everything in my power to shine a light on it and show just how ignorant it is. It is my RIGHT TO DO SO! You want to see ignorance...Check out these fools at a FAILIN rally:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... -their-rac

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

I think you both are intentionally simplifying a complex issue which is your god given right to do. I honestly don't know how we really got here on this message board. My only real point is that as an artist I think FS has a right to have his song played at rallies of his choosing. If not it could be seen as an endorsement. If you can use songs, what's next images? Where does it end...is that what you say Tito? By the way hate crimes target specific groups and races. You guys are smarter than this. I know you are. And while I'm sorry that the rhetoric was ratcheted up during these posts, I will not apologize for speaking out against hate speech. I will do everything in my power to shine a light on it and show just how ignorant it is. It is my RIGHT TO DO SO! You want to see ignorance...Check out these fools at a FAILIN rally:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... -their-rac

It is not oversimplifying anything. You make it complex. I believe in fair and equal treatment and punishment for that matter.

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

[Slander]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

I think you both are intentionally simplifying a complex issue which is your god given right to do. I honestly don't know how we really got here on this message board. My only real point is that as an artist I think FS has a right to have his song played at rallies of his choosing. If not it could be seen as an endorsement. If you can use songs, what's next images? Where does it end...is that what you say Tito? By the way hate crimes target specific groups and races. You guys are smarter than this. I know you are. And while I'm sorry that the rhetoric was ratcheted up during these posts, I will not apologize for speaking out against hate speech. I will do everything in my power to shine a light on it and show just how ignorant it is. It is my RIGHT TO DO SO! You want to see ignorance...Check out these fools at a FAILIN rally:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... -their-rac

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

Who is defending Wright here? I'm sure as hell not. I will say this at Wright joined the Marine Corp and fought for his country! Obama has spoken out against what Wright said. Hate is hate my friend.

[Tito]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

I think you both are intentionally simplifying a complex issue which is your god given right to do. I honestly don't know how we really got here on this message board. My only real point is that as an artist I think FS has a right to have his song played at rallies of his choosing. If not it could be seen as an endorsement. If you can use songs, what's next images? Where does it end...is that what you say Tito? By the way hate crimes target specific groups and races. You guys are smarter than this. I know you are. And while I'm sorry that the rhetoric was ratcheted up during these posts, I will not apologize for speaking out against hate speech. I will do everything in my power to shine a light on it and show just how ignorant it is. It is my RIGHT TO DO SO! You want to see ignorance...Check out these fools at a FAILIN rally:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... -their-rac

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

Who is defending Wright here? I'm sure as hell not. I will say this at Wright joined the Marine Corp and fought for his country! Obama has spoken out against what Wright said. Hate is hate my friend.

Only after he absolutely had to...for his OWN career.

[Slander]

No need to apologize. FREE SPEECH!

We're all mature adults here (Andrew agrees ). We can handle anything.

Amen. On top of that. I haven't accused anyone here of being hateful. The disagreement was whether or not hate speech exists. I believe it does and FS should have the right not to play his song at a rally where the "n" word and other racial comments are made.

I don't like the term hate speech. Too easy to legislate against.

It's just like a hate crime... isn't every crime, particularly violent crimes (since hate crimes are geared towards this...) by pure definition, an act of hate, spite, indifference to human decency, what have you? If I catch a white man in bed with my wife and kill him or perpetrate violence on him, am I doing it because I "hate" the guy any less than a black,yellow,red,orange guy in the same situation?

If I kill a rich white man and a rich black man because I'm poor and I envy their wealth, do I somehow "hate" the black guy by default more than the white guy?

Every violent crime should be treated as equal. Someone's son, daughter, father, brother, etc etc is getting physically or mentally harmed by such acts. To mandate harsher penalties for the same acts depending on who is being hurt is ludicrous.

Hate speech and hate crimes can be ANYTHING when it gets right down to it.

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

I think you both are intentionally simplifying a complex issue which is your god given right to do. I honestly don't know how we really got here on this message board. My only real point is that as an artist I think FS has a right to have his song played at rallies of his choosing. If not it could be seen as an endorsement. If you can use songs, what's next images? Where does it end...is that what you say Tito? By the way hate crimes target specific groups and races. You guys are smarter than this. I know you are. And while I'm sorry that the rhetoric was ratcheted up during these posts, I will not apologize for speaking out against hate speech. I will do everything in my power to shine a light on it and show just how ignorant it is. It is my RIGHT TO DO SO! You want to see ignorance...Check out these fools at a FAILIN rally:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert ... -their-rac

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

Who is defending Wright here? I'm sure as hell not. I will say this at Wright joined the Marine Corp and fought for his country! Obama has spoken out against what Wright said. Hate is hate my friend.

Only after he absolutely had to...for his OWN career.

Yeah he's a politician just like McCain. What's your point? That Obama hates America? LOL. He hates America no more than McCain hates America after being an accomplice to the bilking of millions of dollars in the Keating 5 scandal. My point in all of this-It's silly. I go back to my original post. I really wanted this discussion to focus on whether or not artists have the right to have their work played at an event where they do not support a candidate. I think it's a valid question.

[Tito]

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[Eyeof]

Fuck you slander...you grow a pair...just because someone doesn't agree with your fucked up sense of reality doesn't mean anything...grow a pair? What the fuck do you even mean? You try so hard to come off as some educated know it all, and you resort to third grade play ground phrasing? Grow a pair? Fuck you asshole. You are nothing but a piece of shit, third rate hack reporter know it all, who thinks he hung the moon. God, you have been torturing this board for months. You have just about ran off every person on here, with your insesent bable...Damn, sometimes I just wish you would shut the FUCK up.

[Slander]

Fuck you slander...you grow a pair...just because someone doesn't agree with your fucked up sense of reality doesn't mean anything...grow a pair? What the fuck do you even mean? You try so hard to come off as some educated know it all, and you resort to third grade play ground phrasing? Grow a pair? Fuck you asshole. You are nothing but a piece of shit, third rate hack reporter know it all, who thinks he hung the moon. God, you have been torturing this board for months. You have just about ran off every person on here, with your insesent bable...Damn, sometimes I just wish you would shut the FUCK up.

Wow your true colors show. Must be a McCain supporter. Same temper! I wasn't the one who started the name calling here. I wanted to have an actual conversation about whether or not an artist has a right or not to have his or her songs played at the rally of a candidate THEY DON'T support. It's a valid question. You McCain supporters are a riot. And Eye let me make this real clear I don't give a rats ass what you think of me. You just aren't on the radar screen. And certainly on this topic you are clearly out of your realm of comprehension.

[Slander]

Thank you, I agree totally. What if I beat up a liberal and calling him that. Why isn't that a hate crime. I targeted a liberal. Where does it end.

It damn well might be unfortunately... however if you use the 2-sided analogy like I did, it probably wouldn't be if a liberal did the same thing to a conservative. For instance, is this a hate crime?

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... etail.html

Absolutely appalling. 20 years old, mutilated for life, scarred. Sad. I doubt many courts/prosecutors would have the cajones to charge this fuck with a hate crime.

Sorry the fuck and the hate crime don't exist...Another loon wack job for Mcsame and Failin. Read it and weep:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

[Ehwmatt]

Sorry the fuck and the hate crime don't exist...Another loon wack job for Mcsame and Failin. Read it and weep:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

My question remains - if an incident like this were to happen, would the black man be charged with a hate crime? I somehow doubt it.

Also, "another loon wack job for Mcsame and Failin" isn't really endearing you to your crusade against the sweeping generalizations that hate speech promotes. A stereotype's a stereotype, regardless of the history (or lack thereof) behind the words.

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

[Slander]

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

Guy did she or did she not make up the story? I could have sent you link from the Fox News Website. Would that have made you feel better? The story is true. The 20 year old racist made it up?

[Slander]

Fuck you slander.....grow a pair? What the fuck do you even mean?

Yeah I'll tell you what it means. Have the courage of your convictions. That's what it means. Back up what you say with logical thought. A lot of these McCain supporters want to bring race into everything but back away when called on it.
Frankie Sullivan has a right not to associate himself with McCain Palin. What's next candidates using actors and actresses images in campaign adds without permission to imply an endorsement? What's the difference. Listen I'm sorry Eye you can't handle a difference of opinion. I don't come from a world like yours of STEPFORD people where we all march lock step. I actually like freedom of thought and an exchange of ideas. I thought that was what America is about. Oh wait I forgot according to Palin there is a REAL AMERICA AND NOT A REAL AMERICA. What insanity.

[Eyeof]

bla, bla, bla...you just like to argue...it seems to be all you know how to do...yeah Slander, you are right. You are from a different world man...you are special...so much more insight than the rest of us stepford peasants...give me a break....

I never insulted anyone's politics on here...to be honest, i'm not even sure how I'm going to vote in that election...but you, you just can't help yourself can you...it's people like you that keep our world polarized and every one at odds...you claim to have the ability to look at things a differnet way, but in all reality you are suffer from the biggest case of tunnel vision that one can have...you just claim to be liberal, so that makes you 'open minded' in your little mind...

[Ehwmatt]

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

Guy did she or did she not make up the story? I could have sent you link from the Fox News Website. Would that have made you feel better? The story is true. The 20 year old racist made it up?

I already conceded that, way to dodge the rest of my post though.

[Slander]

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

Guy did she or did she not make up the story? I could have sent you link from the Fox News Website. Would that have made you feel better? The story is true. The 20 year old racist made it up?

I already conceded that, way to dodge the rest of my post though.

I voted for McCain in 2000, I'm not like you. I don't come at things from 1 ideology. I gather my information from a variety of sources then make up my mind. By the way I also go to realclearpolitics.com daily! That is a rightie website. I don't exactly call that a cesspool because it offers conservative commentary.

[Tito]

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

Guy did she or did she not make up the story? I could have sent you link from the Fox News Website. Would that have made you feel better? The story is true. The 20 year old racist made it up?

More of this happens http://public.elmhurst.edu/home/news/31179769.html (recent local story) than the other way around.

[Tito]

Fuck you slander.....grow a pair? What the fuck do you even mean?

. I actually like freedom of thought and an exchange of ideas. I thought that was what America is about.

I do too. That is why I'm against the terms "hate speech" and other things like that.

[Ehwmatt]

And finally, your linking to HuffPost for any evidence of anything is funny, because I can only imagine how quickly you'd shoot down anything I linked to off of Rush's Web site. Sure, it might be true this time, but come on, that site is a liberal cesspool. A complete joke.

Guy did she or did she not make up the story? I could have sent you link from the Fox News Website. Would that have made you feel better? The story is true. The 20 year old racist made it up?

I already conceded that, way to dodge the rest of my post though.

I voted for McCain in 2000, I'm not like you. I don't come at things from 1 ideology. I gather my information from a variety of sources then make up my mind. By the way I also go to realclearpolitics.com daily! That is a rightie website. I don't exactly call that a cesspool because it offers conservative commentary.

I gather my info (I'm loathe to call it news these days, whatever the bias of the source) from Drudge, MSNBC, CNN, The Politico, and Fox regularly. Drudge/CNN/Politico are where I get the bulk of my info from. I'd say the biases on those sites offset each other enough to the point where I can draw my own conclusions. HuffPost is wildly liberal - it's equivalent to Rush on the conservative side. I would never cite an article from Rush's site to try and convince someone of ANYTHING.

So please, keep making unfounded assumptions.

[Saint John]

I'll tell you what don't hold Obama responsible for Wright and I won't hold you responsible for the KKK. Fair enough?

Looking for a deal, eh? Stick 3 bananas up your ass and only charge yourself for one. Is that "fair enough?"

[Tito]

Is this a hate crime?

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.manne ... 49299.html

[Joe Vana]

I'll tell you what don't hold Obama responsible for Wright and I won't hold you responsible for the KKK. Fair enough?

Looking for a deal, eh? Stick 3 bananas up your ass and only charge yourself for one. Is that "fair enough?"

How did this simple thread get to this????

JV

[Tito]

I'll tell you what don't hold Obama responsible for Wright and I won't hold you responsible for the KKK. Fair enough?

Looking for a deal, eh? Stick 3 bananas up your ass and only charge yourself for one. Is that "fair enough?"

How did this simple thread get to this????

JV

I'll give you one clue: Slander.