www.frankiesullivan.com

[Red13JoePa]

I am glad Jimi Jamison is a success on his own now . Yeah it might be in Europe or another country but at least he is out there living it and making fans happy.

Survivor didn't have that staying power like Foreigner or Journey .

The new Survivor led only by Frankie should re-record the old hits with the new band and make it fresh again. Look at what Mick Jones did with Foreigner . Make a live cd and sell it on Napster or ITunes . Give a new song away free on your web site to promote yourself to new fans.

Frankie has to be getting royalties from the Rock Candy releases . He shoudl be glad that they keep re-making the old cds with new sound.

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .

It is also confusing as to why Paradise Artist uses Jimi Jamison & Dave Bickler's vocals to poromote new Survivor concerts .. It is weird to say the least ..

What do you all think ?

I would be happy if they did a rerecord of the songs, with at least one new song.

Agreed, that'd be fine, at this point even great by me. Might get the creative juices reflowing.

[MarcelJordan]

I am glad Jimi Jamison is a success on his own now . Yeah it might be in Europe or another country but at least he is out there living it and making fans happy.

Survivor didn't have that staying power like Foreigner or Journey .

The new Survivor led only by Frankie should re-record the old hits with the new band and make it fresh again. Look at what Mick Jones did with Foreigner . Make a live cd and sell it on Napster or ITunes . Give a new song away free on your web site to promote yourself to new fans.

Frankie has to be getting royalties from the Rock Candy releases . He shoudl be glad that they keep re-making the old cds with new sound.

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .

It is also confusing as to why Paradise Artist uses Jimi Jamison & Dave Bickler's vocals to poromote new Survivor concerts .. It is weird to say the least ..

What do you all think ?

I would be happy if they did a rerecord of the songs, with at least one new song.

Agreed, that'd be fine, at this point even great by me. Might get the creative juices reflowing.

I understand that they DO have atleast 6 new tunes complete. So let's say they add these 6 with a retread of the old stuff.

MJ

[MarcelJordan]

Friends and this means Andrew too ,

It appears to me what has ticked off Frankie seems to be coming to light. See what he says on his latest blog....

This probably means whatever JP had commented on the recent Pony Canyon re-release of the first two Survivor albums has got FS wanting to "clarify" some "misconceptions" of the Survivor S/T album.

Joe, you've said it, it's going to get Ugly.

MJ

[Andrew]

These latest temper tears have to be aimed at Peterik for having the audacity to be involved in the 2 new reissues.
Either Peterik or Jamison.

That's what I think. I have just a general question: Would JP have had to ask permission to speak on behalf of Survivor in regards to a re-issue? What are the legalities. By the way, I'm just asking a question here, not looking to start world war III.

No legalities. They are official licenced re-issues (as are all Rock Candy titles)....JP co-wrote the majority (all) of material, and was the founding member of the and with Frankie, so who better to talk about the music and experiences of recording these albums.

[Andrew]

This new lineup, and FS as a solo artist, has done nothing in 3 plus years, to prove anything to anyone.

What the hell does FS, Robin, Marc have to prove you or anyone else?

If they stated they have now retired....then nothing!

[Andrew]

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .
What do you all think ?

I don't think FS is frustrated at all.

His website jabs reek of frustration.

[Red13JoePa]

Wow, he went off on the last one. It is definitely a shot across Peterik's bow, even though he passively/agressively hedges the bet by refusing to name a name of the pseudo "Sting."

[Slander]

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .
What do you all think ?

I don't think FS is frustrated at all.

His website jabs reek of frustration.

Hi Andrew,

How so? I don't see the frustration, what I see is someone very protective of his property. What would he be frustrated about? He seems to be doing exactly what he wants.

[axecrew]

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .
What do you all think ?

I don't think FS is frustrated at all.

His website jabs reek of frustration.

Hi Andrew,

How so? I don't see the frustration, what I see is someone very protective of his property. What would he be frustrated about? He seems to be doing exactly what he wants.

What exactly is it that he's protecting in the case??

[Slander]

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .
What do you all think ?

I don't think FS is frustrated at all.

His website jabs reek of frustration.

Hi Andrew,

How so? I don't see the frustration, what I see is someone very protective of his property. What would he be frustrated about? He seems to be doing exactly what he wants.

What exactly is it that he's protecting in the case??

Hi Axe,

Since he has the rights to the Survivor name wouldn't he logically like to have the final say on everything Survivor including when it comes to writing the bands history?

[Abitaman]

Hi Andrew,

Since he has the rights to the Survivor name wouldn't he logically like to have the final say on everything Survivor including when it comes to writing the bands history?

That depends. If he takes the route my favorite band Styx did, then he, like the guys in Styx, don't need to be writing anything about their past.

[Slander]

Hi Andrew,

Since he has the rights to the Survivor name wouldn't he logically like to have the final say on everything Survivor including when it comes to writing the bands history?

That depends. If he takes the route my favorite band Styx did, then he, like the guys in Styx, don't need to be writing anything about their past.

I have read the information or interviews given by Peterik for the Rock Candy releases. Have you?

[DavidWT]

I have read the information or interviews given by Peterik for the Rock Candy releases.

Can you share any details? Anything in particular that might be making Frankie so bitter/frustrated?

[Abitaman]

Well, this has become Survivor's second longest thread!!

[axecrew]

I can see the frustration . Jim Peterik is well known his writing with 38 Special and a success for his World Stage Shows , Jimi Jamison is out there working the songs and is getting good reviews , Dave Bickler made a fortune on radio commercials etc etc. Frankie needs to break out and make it on his name not just the Survivor banner .
What do you all think ?

I don't think FS is frustrated at all.

His website jabs reek of frustration.

Hi Andrew,

How so? I don't see the frustration, what I see is someone very protective of his property. What would he be frustrated about? He seems to be doing exactly what he wants.

What exactly is it that he's protecting in the case??

Hi Axe,

Since he has the rights to the Survivor name wouldn't he logically like to have the final say on everything Survivor including when it comes to writing the bands history?

Well in a word.....NO. He owns the name survivor...and nothing more. He owns the right to use the name exclusively in regards to making music. He has no right to tell someone that they can't speak about the history of the band...especially when we are talking about the founding member of the band. Has anyone ever thought to wonder why these different people continue to go to Peterik for comments concerning the band?
Sorry but this whole thing screams ego to me. He wants to control all aspects of the band and try to re-write history. No sale.

[DavidWT]

I think there's a lot of jealousy involved too. Frankie clearly resents the attention that JP gets (assuming he's talking about JP, which I don't think has been completely confirmed yet.) Comments like, "You were suddenly Sting! The sites out there said so. You do it all and you're amazing at it all" really make it sound like he's jealous of the praise JP (or whoever) has received since leaving Survivor.

[TageRyche]

I'm just tired of the whole thing.

[Slander]

I have read the information or interviews given by Peterik for the Rock Candy releases.

Can you share any details? Anything in particular that might be making Frankie so bitter/frustrated?

Hi David I haven't ready the information or interviews given by JP for the Rock Candy releases. My bad. I didn't spell check when I made that posting. I'm sorry for the confusion.

[Slander]

I think there's a lot of jealousy involved too. Frankie clearly resents the attention that JP gets (assuming he's talking about JP, which I don't think has been completely confirmed yet.) Comments like, "You were suddenly Sting! The sites out there said so. You do it all and you're amazing at it all" really make it sound like he's jealous of the praise JP (or whoever) has received since leaving Survivor.

No offense here guys. But have you listened to some of JP's solo stuff? Come on. Don't think FS is jealous at all. JP's is a terrific song writer but singer? Singer? Singer? Yeah FS is sure jealous of those pipes! And before you come down on me hard, I own JP's material because I dig the music. POL is great stuff. Solid hooks. 1st album by far is the best of the three. So when you say FS is jealous? What of? At last check JP is pretty regional. FS and Survivor play all over the US. Help me out here.

[Ehwmatt]

I think there's a lot of jealousy involved too. Frankie clearly resents the attention that JP gets (assuming he's talking about JP, which I don't think has been completely confirmed yet.) Comments like, "You were suddenly Sting! The sites out there said so. You do it all and you're amazing at it all" really make it sound like he's jealous of the praise JP (or whoever) has received since leaving Survivor.

No offense here guys. But have you listened to some of JP's solo stuff? Come on. Don't think FS is jealous at all. JP's is a terrific song writer but singer? Singer? Singer? Yeah FS is sure jealous of those pipes! And before you come down on me hard, I own JP's material because I dig the music. POL is great stuff. Solid hooks. 1st album by far is the best of the three. So when you say FS is jealous? What of? At last check JP is pretty regional. FS and Survivor play all over the US. Help me out here.

Jim's a great singer. Obviously not JJ or DB caliber, but he can definitely hold his own. His voice is key to those classic Survivor harmonies and Ides/Above the Storm have some great vocals. The title track from "Above the Storm" reveals a lot of emotion in his voice. Good stuff, even if not three-octave power vocals. I wouldn't mind hearing Frankie try his hand at a solo record in the style of Above the Storm. Talkin Bout Love is a great track. Nevertheless kinda sucks, though.

[Slander]

Jim's a great singer.

Seriously...As as I've said on this board many times, let's not let our feelings for a band member cloud our judgment when it comes to assessing their talents. If FS is jealous of JP it sure the hell isn't because of Peterik's singing ability. JP is very talented but singing isn't his strength. Also can we quit throwing the word "great" around? JP is a great singer?

[Abitaman]

Jim's a great singer.

Seriously...As as I've said on this board many times, let's not let our feelings for a band member cloud our judgment when it comes to assessing their talents. If FS is jealous of JP it sure the hell isn't because of Peterik's singing ability. JP is very talented but singing isn't his strength. Also can we quit throwing the word "great" around? JP is a great singer?

Great? Very good yes. Have you heard any on the Pride Of Lion Cds? Or his solo cd Above The Storm? JP has a very strong voice. I heard several of the songs off of those cds and bought them, because of the songwriting, the playing and the singing
JP is Very very talented. IMO he was the talent that keep Survivor going. Yes FS in a good axeman, DB and JJ are great singers, and those guys are gone, so FS has to prove that he is part of the talent other than being a good guitarist.
JP has done 2 out 3 great Pride Of Lions cd, and a great solo cd. DB ? he has something to prove. JJ Crossroad and Empires were very very good. When love Come Down ok. So they have stepped out within and without the band.

[Ehwmatt]

Jim's a great singer.

Seriously...As as I've said on this board many times, let's not let our feelings for a band member cloud our judgment when it comes to assessing their talents. If FS is jealous of JP it sure the hell isn't because of Peterik's singing ability. JP is very talented but singing isn't his strength. Also can we quit throwing the word "great" around? JP is a great singer?

I think his voice is very effective. You don't need to have the cookie cutter high range MR voice to be great. That's why I love Luke's singing so much too - the guy has a great visceral style. Lots of emotion. JP's singing is probably a notch below Luke's in my book, but JP is no slouch at all in the vocals department. I mean the guy sang lead on one of the most classic rock songs of all time - that has to mean something, right?

[axecrew]

Not according to slander.......sullivan wasnt involved.

[Slander]

Great? Very good yes. Have you heard any on the Pride Of Lion Cds? JP has a very strong voice. .

I have all of JP's Pride of Lions Cd's. The first one is superior to the other two discs. Inconsistent songwriting weaken the Destiny Stone and Roaring of Dreams. Toby's talent alone makes them worth listening to! I sure didn't buy them for JP's singing. If I'm not mistaken the debut POL record also consisted of songs left over from the Survivor days. Speaking of Survivor, if JP were such a great vocalist then why the need for Bickler or JJ or Sullivan? Hell he could have done it all. He is a one man band! Hell JP's Steve Perry and Eddie Van Halen rolled into one! If he's such a great vocalist why was his voice not featured on any Survivor record after the first one? What groups have used him for guest vocals? Did he sing at all on the Planet Voyager Project that became Mecca? My point in all of this is yes JP is talented songwriter. Love the hooks in his music, but let's dispense with the idea he is somehow a great vocalist. If he's a great vocalist then the word great has lost its meaning.

[Slander]

I think his voice is very effective. I mean the guy sang lead on one of the most classic rock songs of all time - that has to mean something, right?

Okay now I see we are moving the goal posts here. We have gone from JP being a great vocalist to an effective vocalist. Big difference in those two words. As far as Vehicle, love that song. Own it! Catchy as hell but "all time" classic rock song? Once again we are throwing the superlatives around. Here's info from Wikipedia:

"The song reached #2 on the Hot 100 and #1 on the corresponding Cash Box listings. It sold over one million copies, and was awarded a gold disc in November 1972.[1] The following album, Vehicle, reached #55 nationally."

Let's not equate chart topping success with being a great vocalist. The Billboard chart is full of circus acts that reached number one. Just because C.W. McCall reached number one with Convoy doesn't make him a great vocalist.

[Abitaman]

I have all of JP's Pride of Lions Cd's. The first one is superior to the other two discs. Inconsistent songwriting weaken the Destiny Stone and Roaring of Dreams. Toby's talent alone makes them worth listening to! I sure didn't buy them for JP's singing. If I'm not mistaken the debut POL record also consisted of songs left over from the Survivor days. Speaking of Survivor, if JP were such a great vocalist then why the need for Bickler or JJ or Sullivan? Hell he could have done it all. He is a one man band! Hell JP's Steve Perry and Eddie Van Halen rolled into one! If he's such a great vocalist why was his voice not featured on any Survivor record after the first one? What groups have used him for guest vocals? Did he sing at all on the Planet Voyager Project that became Mecca? My point in all of this is yes JP is talented songwriter. Love the hooks in his music, but let's dispense with the idea he is somehow a great vocalist. If he's a great vocalist then the word great has lost its meaning.

HAve to agree with the first one being the best. And Toby is very good vocalist. JP is too, but his voice doesn't fit the Survivor style.
He could have done it all? No!!! Just that I think he is the main force behind the band, but he was not the band. Was Steve Perry the band? Dennis Deyoung the band? Eddie Van Halen the band? NO. Same way Jp is not the band. DB and JJ are better voalist that JP, and are connected with the Survivor sound.

[Joe Vana]

Great? Very good yes. Have you heard any on the Pride Of Lion Cds? JP has a very strong voice. .

I have all of JP's Pride of Lions Cd's. The first one is superior to the other two discs. Inconsistent songwriting weaken the Destiny Stone and Roaring of Dreams. Toby's talent alone makes them worth listening to! I sure didn't buy them for JP's singing. If I'm not mistaken the debut POL record also consisted of songs left over from the Survivor days. Speaking of Survivor, if JP were such a great vocalist then why the need for Bickler or JJ or Sullivan? Hell he could have done it all. He is a one man band! Hell JP's Steve Perry and Eddie Van Halen rolled into one! If he's such a great vocalist why was his voice not featured on any Survivor record after the first one? What groups have used him for guest vocals? Did he sing at all on the Planet Voyager Project that became Mecca? My point in all of this is yes JP is talented songwriter. Love the hooks in his music, but let's dispense with the idea he is somehow a great vocalist. If he's a great vocalist then the word great has lost its meaning.

Dude....JP DID sing on Mecca...he did Backgrounds with me and Thom on about 6 tunes....

He and I wrote it around my and Fergies range...we are hi fliers so it would not have made sense to have JP sing lead on it.....as a background vocalist he is outstanding....

That's just my 2cents...

I am just answering since Mecca was brought up.....and by the way, has this link not run its course yet????

Thanks.....JV

[Andrew]

I have read the information or interviews given by Peterik for the Rock Candy releases.

Can you share any details? Anything in particular that might be making Frankie so bitter/frustrated?

Not that I can see.

[Rockindeano]

Jesus Christ, this board is far too polite and nice. This place sucks.