New Album: Reach

by **AOR rules** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:04 am

One 100 % ballad and one power ballad would be fine for me too. Rhythm of your heart sounds good although soundquality is not good enough to make difinitive judgement. Yeah, it´s strange that american release is later and that´s strange too that these legendary names like Survivor and Toto can´t get decent deal from american companies and they have to seek it elsewhere. After all, AOR style have started from America and it never got such enormous success elsewhere.

by **survivorfan2005** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:35 am

I just read the note over and survivormusic.com from Frankie that said they were taking the song "nevertheless" off. Personally, i really didnt enjoy the first version that well, i mean it has a good beat, i just didnt care to much for the lyrics. Anyhow, what do you all think they're going to do with this? Put another demo on it? The cd is complete (if they leave it on there) and hopefully may ship b4 April 21st.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:26 am

If they're taking 1 off, they should replace it with EOTT version '06. Why don't they just put everything on anyway? It's been 18 years.

by **Andrew** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:58 am

I have the title track right here

Must say that I am rather pleased with it. Sounds very good.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:33 am

Give it up, Andrew? Rocker? Full on 4/4? 3/4? Mid-tempo?
Not a ballad? How's Frankie? What about keys?
Marc? JJ?

by **AOR rules** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:36 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:Give it up, Andrew? Rocker? Full on 4/4? 3/4? Mid-tempo?
Not a ballad? How's Frankie? What about keys?
Marc? JJ?

Yeah, we want more details please!

by **Andrew** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:54 am

Uptempo melodic rock anthem - sounds very good musicially and sound is pretty sharp, but I do think it misses that knockout blow in the chorus.

After a dozen plays - very enjoyable, but not classic. They will need some stronger choruses for the album to be killer (based on this one track)...

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:06 pm

Lucky guy, Andrew. Look forward to further feedback from you and hopefully a conversation with the band even though I know Frank took few steps down in your eyes over the Dave thing.

by **Andrew** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:57 pm

An interview with Frankie will be very interesting indeed

He was not at all happy with statements I have made and I remain equally unimpressed as his actions which inspired by statements!!

Shall be very interesting indeed!

by **Abitaman** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:42 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:Lucky guy, Andrew. Look forward to further feedback from you and hopefully a conversation with the band even though I know Frank took few steps down in your eyes over the Dave thing.

-ERIC

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:47 am

When Dave got replaced by Jamo (second time, few years back) he found out first not through the band, but by reading Andrew's (question this guy's accuracy and sources at your own risk, Joe Elliot heads) report here :oops:

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I love all parties involved including Frankie, Dave and JJ. It's just a shame it unfolded that way.

Andrew, what did name your Lawsuit Award for the year in review :?:

by **survivorfan2005** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:41 am

I thought we'd get back into the main thread for thhe album

Anyhow, how does everyone like the cover art?

I wonder what the back looks like?

by **Andrew** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:41 am

Red13JoePa wrote:When Dave got replaced by Jamo (second time, few years back) he found out first not through the band, but by reading Andrew's (question this guy's accuracy and sources at your own risk, Joe Elliot heads) report here .

I love all parties involved including Frankie, Dave and JJ. It's just a shame it unfolded that way.

Andrew, what did name your Lawsuit Award for the year in review

Yeah, he did read it here. The start of my issues with Frankie. Thought that was a pretty bad decision.

The Lawsuit Award was so names as Frankie was suing a few people back a few years, including the TV Show "Survivor"...

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:33 am

survivorfan2005 wrote:I thought we'd get back into the main thread for thhe album Anyhow, how does everyone like the cover art?

I wonder what the back looks like?

Like it very much. Pretty cool.
Just hope to see that cover art on US shelves....

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:34 am

Andrew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
The Lawsuit Award was so names as Frankie was suing a few people back a few years, including the TV Show "Survivor"...

....and Jamo....and you.....and probably Peterik and Bickler...and you....his aunt harriet.....and...

by **acroyear** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:49 am

Survivor sucks. AOR sucks.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:48 am

Beat it, lady.

by **NealIsGod** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:45 am

Go squeeze your zits, acro.

by **survivorfan2005** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:26 pm

hmmm.. interesting, who would visit this site and take the time to register if they hated the music so much? :oops:

Anyway, did any of you who've ever heard "nevertheless" actually like it?

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:10 pm

It's a slow one, right? Sfan, what do you think of FS singing lead on 2 of the 11 tracks :?:

by **survivorfan2005** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:53 pm

Actually "Nevertheless" is a really great beat, really a hard rocker, the lyrics just were not the best. You can hear a sample of the song here and judge for yourself.... http://www.planethalflife.com/enduringfreedom/ntls.mp3

as for FS singing.. I like his voice and I think that he does a great job, eventhough i like JJ's voice better I guess it's good that he has the experience since afterall he is the co-founder.

by **AOR rules** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:40 pm

survivorfan2005 wrote:Actually "Nevertheless" is a really great beat, really a hard rocker, the lyrics just were not the best. You can hear a sample of the song here and judge for yourself.... http://www.planethalflife.com/enduringfreedom/ntls.mp3

Now I understand why they were thinking about taking this track off. It just doesnt sound like Survivor. If someone would have played me this sample and not said who it is I would have never guessed. But I dont say it´s bad, it´s just untypical.

The cover is great, I just miss those good old lp days, I bet this would look even greater on vinylrecord-size.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:20 am

It's not bad. He sounds a little like Bickler during the OLD days to me. Who is harmonizing with him? Doesn't sound like JJ.

This song would be amazing with Jamo fronting it adding REAL vocals.

And AOR: As I understand it, they are not kicking around replacing this.
That was Andrew and me saying that these 2 Frankie-sang #s should have JJ dubbed over on lead vox gbefore it's too late.
Then a good album, as Andrew already rates it, goes to maybe another Vital Signs.

Like the arrangement, guitars REALLY hot....Got potential with the right voice

by **survivorfan2005** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:32 am

Sorry, i forgot to mention that song was the old version of the song with Dave. I just don't see how it could be much different with JJ harmonizing. Remember, even I havnt heard the FS songs on the cd so, we may be jumping the gun. If you want you can also check out some more FS songs at his webiste. Personally, I would have put "love we never made" (My all time favorite song besides seconds away) rather than nevertheless, at least it had a real good chorus. If anyone wants to hear a sample of the song just PM me.

by **survivorfan2005** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:03 pm

"The problem is too many ballads" agree or disagree and why?

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:02 am

survivorfan2005 wrote:"The problem is too many ballads" agree or disagree and why?

Absoultely agree with this quote and please pass onto JJ when you hear from him. Because, with 11 tracks on offer there's really no room for more than 2 ballads from a rock/hard rock band like this.

I look at Too Hot To Sleep, bowing in '88 the HEIGHT of power ballad mania and Survivor puts out a stunning record with ONE SINGLE ballad. What balls. And that ballad is brilliant. It's a welcome breather from the rock onslaught in fact. But in that day and age, what guts that took when you know ballads make radio first. You just make the best possible singe ballad you can and have confidence that it will have impact.

Still hoping for EOTT 06 to be tacked on. that would go a long way towards offsetting the problems I see.

Now aside from the ballad issue there's that other thing about 2 songs and who's singing them....

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:21 am

Red13JoePa wrote:I look at Too Hot To Sleep, bowing in '88 the HEIGHT of power ballad mania and Survivor puts out a stunning record with ONE SINGLE ballad. What balls. And that ballad is brilliant. It's a welcome breather from the rock onslaught in fact.

Yeah, a ballad should give you a chance to catch your breath on a rock record. A ballad heavy record is a snoozer, no matter how good the songs are.

by **Barbie** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:29 am

To each his own opinion, but this girl is speaking out in favor of half the album being ballads. After all, most every song out there is a ballad - past and present. Accept Survivor for what they are, a band that puts out great rock songs and great ballads. Why shouldn't they put out there what they want and what they feel. We can either take it or leave it. I'd rather they be themselves than try to please anyone. And as for FS singing on only two songs, lots of bands do this: use other members on certain songs. And I would not just assume as previously suggested that FS is indulging himself. You don't know the reason. It may be for totally unselfish reasons. He should have been singing on albums from Day One, anyway. Now, why not try being happy we finally have a new album and stop all the complaining.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:02 am

Barbie wrote: He should have been singing on albums from Day One, anyway. Now, why not try being happy we finally have a new album and stop all the complaining.

No thanks.
Not with 18 years between records. And if it's not to please fans, than why put it out at all? Why not just shelf if altoghether like Fire Makes Steel (album) if it's only to please themselves? RE: the Frankie should've been singing from day 1pint: There are people that say he has a good voice. I for one am not looking forward to his lead vocals on a Srvr album. Maybe, if we had 8 or 9 Jimi-fronted rockers, then yes. Your point about the ballads is well-taken, as this band does them as classilly as anybody. And Jamo can surely belt them out.

I will buy REACH when it comes out on the streght of the uptempos sung by JJ that I heard samples of here. Hell, for the title track and the new FMS alone.

by **MarcelJordan** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:06 pm

Im for one glad to know FS try to do his thing, when he's been associated with the band Survivor from DAY ONE (or there abouts HA HA!). Heck, Peterik did some vocals as well. Now ITS Frankie's band, (well atleast since he's been there from origin and JP ain't anymore).

Yes, we love better vocals SURELY(we all wish for that), BUT why don't we just WAIT for the full thing, have a dozen listens and then DECIDE, what's good and what bad. Again Frankie is the ticket here, co-founder. Let's give him his dues. Again must reiterate JP is no LONGER a member who needed to walk away. Frankie to me IS the Survivor. Tell me, without the guitar, could Survivor be a rock band? Yes or No? Has Frankie ever NOT sung AT ALL (including background) in any tune? Hmmm. :twisted:

MR

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