Survivor Rocks Dancing With The Stars

[Red13JoePa]

Dude, you're moving the target of what you're trying to argue around all the time.

1 tv show doesn't equal 18 years of sporadic (non)activity.

[7 Wishes]

I have purchased EVERY Survivor album THE DAY IT CAME OUT since Premonition. If that's not a praise of your work as the lead guitarist, Slander, I don't know what is.

[Slander]

JOPA come on. 1 tv show in 18 years? Nonesense. They have continued to tour. They have continued to write. What about the Starbuck's ad? JOPA I challenge you to name other bands of the genre that have had the same success in recent times. I will grant you Journey and Def Leppard. The tour was amazing but let's be honest they were always bigger than Survivor and their catalog of music is bigger. Andrew mentioned Cheap Trick. Rockford was a fine album but it didn't make a dent. They didn't get airplay. So JOPA you start listing me the other bands that are 30 years old that are hard working and productive. Don't say Aerosmith and the Stones. They are on a different scale. You know exactly what I'm talking about. I want oranges to oranges here my friend.

[Slander]

7, you bought premonition? What's your favorite song? Heart's A lonely hunter. LOL.

[silvergirl66]

oh, your killin me 7 Survivor has been active, just because they haven't released an album doesn't mean they aren't active.

[jrnyman28]

I think Frankie's excuse was it wasn't the right time, that the radio stations wouldn't play their music, music was so different in the 90's!

And what is different now?

[jrnyman28]

You had to get a dig in, didn't you JOPA. The band is not on a feeding tube. They just played on a TOP TEN tv show. What reality are you and 7 living in?

But the band is apparantly just waking from a medically induced coma!
And the show may just be a lifeline. It could also be a last gasp as easily as a first. Time will tell. One gig does not make your argument....

[Slander]

Actually I think the climate is much different. I think the emergence of VH-I classic shows there is a hunger for the genre. I don't know if you get the JACK format of radio in your area but it is also Survivor friendly. Those of us 40's somethings have the buying power and radio and tv need to cater to that.

[jrnyman28]

JOPA come on. 1 tv show in 18 years? Nonesense. They have continued to tour.

But how many shows a year? And has it been every year? I honestly do not know the answers, but something tells me I do not know because I have not seen Survivor out there much for a very long time...which is sort of the point.

They have continued to write.

What does that matter if they did not record it? And if there is so much writing, why was so much of Reach nothing more than re-recording songs fromm FMS?

What about the Starbuck's ad?

A great ad...that turned into a wasted opportunity. (And sadly, somewhat of a joke...)

JOPA I challenge you to name other bands of the genre that have had the same success in recent times. I will grant you Journey and Def Leppard. The tour was amazing but let's be honest they were always bigger than Survivor and their catalog of music is bigger.

So the challenge is to name a 2nd tier act from the 80's that still is working? I actually think Journey is a very good example of what it takes to succeed now. They have had to tour every year consistently, with large tours just to make a dent. It has cost them yet another singer in the process. But you can still compare Journey to Survivor since they both have to continue without "signature" vocals. So again, I say this could be a beginning. But is Survivor do not really start "working" they will not succeed.

Andrew mentioned Cheap Trick. Rockford was a fine album but it didn't make a dent. They didn't get airplay.

But they consistently tour...big tours. and they have put several studio CDs in the past 18 years. They have also released several live CDs culled from their extensive touring. But you are correct, even with that kind of work effort (a drastic difference from what Survivor has done) they are still not making a commercial success. However, their touring is making them plenty of money as they play before much larger crowds that it would appear Survivor has or will (atleast for a while).

So JOPA you start listing me the other bands that are 30 years old that are hard working and productive. Don't say Aerosmith and the Stones. They are on a different scale. You know exactly what I'm talking about. I want oranges to oranges here my friend.

Again you are defining the scale. What about Bryan Adams? What about Poison? Obviously KISS will not fit your guidelines. Ya know, I would be willing to throw Glass Tiger and Honeymoon Suite into a similar category as Survivor. And I think it is possible they have both put out more material since their "heyday" and toured more. But they probably don't fit your criteria since they have their original singers. Or is it because ( I think) they are both Canadian.

Sorry, some times we say things that are reality and not just a jab. JOPA has a way with words that can be rather descriptive (ie his IV comment) but that does not make a knock...simply his opinion based on the way he sees it. And many would agree...Survivor may still be working, but that does not mean they are working "hard". And it is a real stretch to say they are one of the "hardest" working bands of that genre. (And don't you really mean of that time period? Because the genre is still alive and well and filled with bands doing a LOT more than Survivor or many of their contemporaries!)

[Red13JoePa]

JOPA

LOL ...just Dave28 being Dave28. Leave the guy alone.

[survivorfan2005]

Dave's solo record is coming out later this year.. .Correct me if i'm wrong but I think it'll be around the same time Survivor does sometime in the fall or winter that is as soon as he get's a label. According to one of Dave's agents, they are looking to sign with Volcano records..
Who knows though...maybe sooner!

[Slander]

But they consistently tour...big tours. and they have put several studio CDs in the past 18 years. They have also released several live CDs culled from their extensive touring. But you are correct, even with that kind of work effort (a drastic difference from what Survivor has done) they are still not making a commercial success. However, their touring is making them plenty of money as they play before much larger crowds that it would appear Survivor has or will (atleast for a while).

I don't think comparing Journey to Survivor is fair. Journey was huge. As much as I love the band it never reached that kind of status. I saw Survivor headline for WSC and the venue was pretty small. Journey has a deeper catalog of songs. By the way, Journey has seen its share of line-up changes and I don't doubt that their legit. Without Neal, there is no Journey. I would contend that Journey is much more in demand than Survivor. I would say Neal and the band have had

Again you are defining the scale. What about Bryan Adams? What about Poison? Obviously KISS will not fit your guidelines. Ya know, I would be willing to throw Glass Tiger and Honeymoon Suite into a similar category as Survivor. And I think it is possible they have both put out more material since their "heyday" and toured more. But they probably don't fit your criteria since they have their original singers. Or is it because ( I think) they are both Canadian.[/color]

I would once again contend that Bryan Adams, Poison, and KISS where all much bigger than Survivor and therefore have greater marketability. Glass Tiger and Honeymoon Suite have toured and put out albums. I would contend Survivor has a bigger following. By the way I do like Canadian rock. Anyone remember Plantinum Blonde?


Sorry, some times we say things that are reality and not just a jab. JOPA has a way with words that can be rather descriptive (ie his IV comment) but that does not make a knock...simply his opinion based on the way he sees it. And many would agree...Survivor may still be working, but that does not mean they are working "hard". And it is a real stretch to say they are one of the "hardest" working bands of that genre. (And don't you really mean of that time period? Because the genre is still alive and well and filled with bands doing a LOT more than Survivor or many of their contemporaries!)[/quote]

I understand fan frustrations with Survivor. I really do. Having said that the band has managed to stay on the road and stay in the public conscious despite Jamo's efforts to tour with the name, legal battles, and the changing tastes of the listening public. I still contend they are hard working. They are more energized than ever. Tuesday nights performance on DWTS shows their commitment to keep Survivor alive and strong.

[jrnyman28]

JOPA

LOL ...just Dave28 being Dave28. Leave the guy alone.

Now Now, I was simply using the same moniker Slander has assigned to you so there would be no confusion!

[Slander]

[quote="jrnyman28
Sorry, some times we say things that are reality and not just a jab./quote]

jrnyman28 I never take things personally. I just really enjoy a free flowing discussion. Your argument was very strong. I disagree but I can certainly see how you feel the way you do. I think 2007 is going to be a good year. Time will tell. From what I hear, they are recording and they are playing more gigs. Now if we can get the guys to get on the damn website and do some promotion.

[Slander]

Someone help me! Am I stupid but I'm having problems quoting people. Damn public education.

[Red13JoePa]

Someone help me! Am I stupid but I'm having problems quoting people. Damn public education.

Dude, I'm with you.
I'm thousands of posts in and I can do 1 quote but can't quote, comment, quote, comment like Dave28 yet.

I like the way you got around that with the red font, though.

[Slander]

I just don't get. I was able to quote 7 earlier. I did the same thing for others with no luck. By the way JOPA, do you think Survivor should try to get on a bill and open for Styx, Journey etc. I think that is the ticket to playing bigger venues.

[Red13JoePa]

Yes, I DO think they should hook onto at least a double bill with like a Journey or REO or Foreiger or Styx....

[Squidward24]

Someone help me! Am I stupid but I'm having problems quoting people. Damn public education.

I used to have that problem. Public education be damned.

Yes, I DO think they should hook onto at least a double bill with like a Journey or REO or Foreiger or Styx....

I said in another thread that I am a fairweather Survivor fan, but I think that would be a good bill. REO and STYX always draw crowds, at least here in Michigan.

[Slander]

Doing the fair/casino circuit is great but it's not enough. Being on the same bill as a Journey or Styx I believe would open doors. I never looked at Survivor as a big time headliner, having said that you are hard pressed to find a better supporting act!

[Slander]

I saw Survivor open for Eddie Money. There were 2-4k. Great show. Great buzz. Many in the audience came to see the Money Man but I also heard a lot of people say "oh yeah, I remember these guys."

[Squidward24]

I saw Survivor open for Eddie Money. There were 2-4k. Great show. Great buzz. Many in the audience came to see the Money Man but I also heard a lot of people say "oh yeah, I remember these guys."

It's that audience mentality that bands seem to forget about. Sacrifice your egos and open for a bigger band, and get your name out there. A good example. I saw REO, Fleetwood Mac and Pat Penatar once. the Mac did not have Stevie or Lindsy, but they went on this tour, their "star" had tarnished by then, but they went out and put their faces backinto the public eye. Shrtley after that they got the two of them back and look. That said, FM was always bigger then Survivor.

Just my point of view.

[Slander]

Dave's solo record is coming out later this year.. .

Is this true? That is terrific news.

[silvergirl66]

survivorfan2005 wrote:
Dave's solo record is coming out later this year.. .


Thanks Survivorfan.......best news I've heard all day!:)

[Eyeof]

Hold you hand up if you actually believe that by the end of the year we will have a Bickler Solo record and a new Survivor record?

[Red13JoePa]

Hold you hand up if you actually believe that by the end of the year we will have a Bickler Solo record and a new Survivor record?

(crickets chirruping)

[Slander]

He is due and the band is due. I'm telling you that 2007 feels like it's going to be a great year. Survivor new record! Dave new record! Hey Jamo where is talk of your new record?

[Red13JoePa]

Maybe Jamison WON'T talk of a new record until/unless there actually IS one close to being ready.

[Slander]

So Jamo gets the benefit of the doubt? Actually I don't think one is in the works. Go back to Andrew's interview with Jimi following the release of Reach. He'd like to do one but I don't think it's a priority. I wish Jamo would be held to the same standard as Frankie, Robin, and Dave. It doesn't seem quite fair to me. Of course it's just my opinion. One other thing JOPA; please inform 7 that WSC and THTS did NOT go plantinum.

[Red13JoePa]

Jamo gets no benefit of any doubt. I'm simply stating he's not TALKING about there being anything ready.

Survivor had threatened Reach to be released upon a hungry, Survivor-starved public for at LEAST five years with zero delivery.

Liner notes for "Ultimates" claim it to have been ready for street date in Fall, '04.

3 years later we're STILL waiting for a US release.