THE WHOLE STORY?

[Joe Vana]

How many hit songs have you and or Frankie written?

Frankie Sullivan and JP have the same amount of hits since 1989 (18 years ago).....but one has written probably 20 times more songs than the other....but the result is the same....

I respect them both, great songwriters, but I will say this...TOGETHER their best material was written...I'm not talking even hits....the best material for either of them was TOGETHER.....before, during, after...

I LOVE Survivor, then, and now....period.

JV

[Eyeof]

I think that we all would have to admit that apart from each other neither of them has exactly 'rocked' the music business.

When you look back, it sure is a shame that "Rockin' Into the Night" was given away. Man, that was a big hit. Of course when you listen back at the '78 Haymakers boots, wow, they were such a different band. Almost "Southern" Rock...well Southern as Chicago can be...

The bad seemed to adapt so many times or change, however you want to say it.

Premonition is a great '70's album and every fall i have Summer Nights stuck in my head. I thought Tiger was a great album, with some really good songs. It may be the biggest overlooked album I can think of. At least until CITG.

There is no doubt that they 'popped' up by Vital Signs and WSC, but who didn't. Check out the 38 Special hit "Second Chance" from the late 80's. Their biggest hit, but a far cry from "Wild Eyed Southern Girls".

I liked THTS. Personally I would love to hear that album with Dave on vocals.

[crazy mar tay]

I think this is there best album its 1 and 1a for me with THTS being no. 2. for the time great production from Ron knee VIsion (Ron Nevison) and the vocals from Dave are stellar this was released in the early 1980's ( I believe 1981 sometime) but def. has a late 70's early 80's rockin, earthy tone to the songs...some of the best they did IMO and still remains a rock n roll masterpiece for me.



Frankie did some great work on b.g. vocals/harmonies and axe work throughout


c.m.

[Journey/Survivor]

How many hit songs have you and or Frankie written?

Frankie Sullivan and JP have the same amount of hits since 1989 (18 years ago).....but one has written probably 20 times more songs than the other....but the result is the same....

I respect them both, great songwriters, but I will say this...TOGETHER their best material was written...I'm not talking even hits....the best material for either of them was TOGETHER.....before, during, after...

I LOVE Survivor, then, and now....period.

JV

Well, Peterik did have "Fade To Blue" that was somewhat of a hit for 38 Special in the 90's.

But the sad reality is that Melodic Rock/AOR bands don't have hit songs anymore because the music industry sucks in general since the start of the 90's. There are still the great bands like Survivor, Journey, Mecca, Toto etc, etc that are still puting out great stuff and tours, but they can't get radio hits anymore because the music industry is trying to force-feed everyone all of the type of crap that we hear on the radio these days. It's not the fault of the Melodic Rock/AOR bands, it's the idiots that are running the record companies and radio stations.

Hell, people talk about McCartney and Lennon, I agree their two of the best ever, but I'd put the Peterik/Sullivan writing team up there as the best ever in my book. I think their both great writers on their own, but sure they always were at their best as a team.

[Joe Vana]

How many hit songs have you and or Frankie written?

Frankie Sullivan and JP have the same amount of hits since 1989 (18 years ago).....but one has written probably 20 times more songs than the other....but the result is the same....

I respect them both, great songwriters, but I will say this...TOGETHER their best material was written...I'm not talking even hits....the best material for either of them was TOGETHER.....before, during, after...

I LOVE Survivor, then, and now....period.

JV

Well, Peterik did have "Fade To Blue" that was somewhat of a hit for 38 Special in the 90's.

But the sad reality is that Melodic Rock/AOR bands don't have hit songs anymore because the music industry sucks in general since the start of the 90's. There are still the great bands like Survivor, Journey, Mecca, Toto etc, etc that are still puting out great stuff and tours, but they can't get radio hits anymore because the music industry is trying to force-feed everyone all of the type of crap that we hear on the radio these days. It's not the fault of the Melodic Rock/AOR bands, it's the idiots that are running the record companies and radio stations.

Hell, people talk about McCartney and Lennon, I agree their two of the best ever, but I'd put the Peterik/Sullivan writing team up there as the best ever in my book. I think their both great writers on their own, but sure they always were at their best as a team.

They are BY FAR, my favorite team as well.....

However, life goes on and Frankie is out there doing his thing, and JP his....let's be thankful that they both still are....alot of guys would be out at the beach, but they still are out doing it....

I am also thankful because I am able to work under Frankie and am able to see what a great guy he is, and few are able to work this close with him.....we are having a ball....

Mad Props to both of them for still working hard!!!!

JV

[crazy mar tay]

Well, Peterik did have "Fade To Blue" that was somewhat of a hit for 38 Special in the 90's.


True indeed thats a great record. He did obv. contribute to a bunch of songs but with what 3-5 other writers how much was him and how much was it a total collaboration or the "collective pool"?? Great tune and i believe it charted well on the rock charts in 1997. Good record and far better than that thing "Drivetrain" god awful IMO. btw I don't recall anyone ranting and raving how great that album was did I ? Jim can certainly write but like everyone else its not all gravy...sometimes you get some grizzle in there too. that turkey they just did is proof positive.

Resolution i think was the record that came off of.




c.m.

[Slander]

I think this is there best album its 1 and 1a for me with THTS being no. 2. for the time great production from Ron knee VIsion (Ron Nevison) and the vocals from Dave are stellar this was released in the early 1980's ( I believe 1981 sometime) but def. has a late 70's early 80's rockin, earthy tone to the songs...some of the best they did IMO and still remains a rock n roll masterpiece for me.



Frankie did some great work on b.g. vocals/harmonies and axe work throughout


c.m.

I'm going to say it once again. Frankie is critical to the signature Survivor sound. People who dont' get that are just naive.

[Slander]

First....productivity levels and quality are two DIFFERENT things....

This is a big Slander apologist line, too for why Ice Ages are more common than Survivor albums now.
/quote]

No it's the truth. JoePa I don't understand for the life of me why you can't tell the difference? It's like garbage yards at the end of a football game. What the hell do the matter. Peterik has padded his stats. Big deal. That is not a slight on JP. Love his work. I have all three POL albums but quantity my friend is not quality.

[Slander]

Frankie Sullivan can't hold Jim Peterik's jock strap as a songwriter,as evidence by his lack of productivity since Jim left.....Frankie Sullivan has a great ear for production on albums.....Frankie Sullivan is a very self-destructive individual,who spends way more time on unneccessary things than is needed,instead of the things that are needed for me..

Hi Axe Crew....

First....productivity levels and quality are two DIFFERENT things....YES, JP writes MORE songs....I write MORE songs than Frankie....BUT that does not make me better????? I agree JP writes ALOT more tunes....

However.....I think this sums things up for me....it applies to Frankie, even though I wrote it for me.....

Have a great day.....

A Lyric I wrote from "I Know" Mecca II - 2007

Many men..have tried..and failed before
They tried to take my pride....kick me on the floor...

But-then-they-soon-do-see
It’s not easy being....me
But I’m always the last man standing

Cause I know
You cannot deny me
I Know that life’s not fair
Oh I know…
I know when love it truly drives me your hate will never find me

Joe you are 100% correct,there's quality and there's quantity and Jim Peterik has both. Since you feel the need to include yourself in the catagory,I'll ask you this.....How many hit songs have you and or Frankie written? How many nationally known artist have ask you or Frankie to write with them? Please don't be embarassed or shy,I won't think you're bragging if you list them.
I think I can confidentely say that Frankie has written every hit song that Survivor has ever had...correct? Well almost....if I remember correctly,and I always do,there is a common denominator in all those hits....Jim Peterik also wrote them.
Now how many "other "hits has Frankie had a hand in writing? Not sure that I know of any.Oh yes.. Rockin' into the Night",but I believe Mr. Smith also wrote that song....guess he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath also.
Now lets look at Jim Peterik......He co-wrote all the Survivor hits..we all know that. But now lets look at outside songs...for our purposes we'll only look at 1 other band......38 'Mother fucking' Special!!!! Jim Peterik had a hand in writing, what 95% of their hits. On their Greatest hits 2 cd set there were 36 songs on it.....he co-wrote 18 of them.And I hope you aren't naive enough to think 38 isn't quality or relevant. Need further proof.....How about the #1 hit "Vehicle" when he was a teenager.
So there's your quality and your productivity.....if you are honest with me and yourself,you know there's no way Frankie can possibly hold a candle to that track record.

Frankie's strength is producing...not songwriting. Thus my comments.And before you trot out your new album as proof of his writing skills.....I personally hope your album goes PLATINUM,but it won't be because of Frankie's writing ability. It's Frankie's weakness.....nothing wrong with that...we all have weaknesses.
Not quite sure what your lyrics have to do with anything....don't recall trying to tear you or Sullivan down. Never said I hated either one of you,hell I don't even know either one of you....never even met you....have met Sullivan many times and wasn't impressed with what I saw of him as a person. I will say this..both Jim and Frankie have their faults,no doubt about it.....but as Jim's World Stage shows have shown...Jim has a ton of friends who would be there for him...you, yourself, used to be one of them. How many would Frankie be able to call on for Frankie Sullivan's World Stage show? Besides you. My guess is not many. By the way I noticed you only addressed the songwriting subject....Am I to believe that you agree with me about everything else I spoke of.

Axe..I guess Frankie's work with Heat and Eddie Money means nothing. Give me a break. I have a ton of respect for JP but you don't prop Mr. Peterik up by tearing Frankie down. It's that simple. What is the point of your post anyway? I don't get it. I know you guys are doing your best to tear down FS. Sorry Frankie's talent speaks for itself. He is what we call in baseball a 5 tool player. He can do it all. Better yet he is humble about it. I know you have done your best to make Frankie at best a studio musician. What a joke. Just know this. You will never get away with stating this crap. It will always go checked. I don't even know where to begin to shoot holes in some of the statements above axe. Better you who the hell are you to judge FS or for that matter anyone as a human being. Axe we all fall short my friend. I pity you for thinking character assassination is a sport.

[axecrew]

Frankie Sullivan can't hold Jim Peterik's jock strap as a songwriter,as evidence by his lack of productivity since Jim left.....Frankie Sullivan has a great ear for production on albums.....Frankie Sullivan is a very self-destructive individual,who spends way more time on unneccessary things than is needed,instead of the things that are needed for me..

Hi Axe Crew....

First....productivity levels and quality are two DIFFERENT things....YES, JP writes MORE songs....I write MORE songs than Frankie....BUT that does not make me better????? I agree JP writes ALOT more tunes....

However.....I think this sums things up for me....it applies to Frankie, even though I wrote it for me.....

Have a great day.....

A Lyric I wrote from "I Know" Mecca II - 2007

Many men..have tried..and failed before
They tried to take my pride....kick me on the floor...

But-then-they-soon-do-see
It’s not easy being....me
But I’m always the last man standing

Cause I know
You cannot deny me
I Know that life’s not fair
Oh I know…
I know when love it truly drives me your hate will never find me

Joe you are 100% correct,there's quality and there's quantity and Jim Peterik has both. Since you feel the need to include yourself in the catagory,I'll ask you this.....How many hit songs have you and or Frankie written? How many nationally known artist have ask you or Frankie to write with them? Please don't be embarassed or shy,I won't think you're bragging if you list them.
I think I can confidentely say that Frankie has written every hit song that Survivor has ever had...correct? Well almost....if I remember correctly,and I always do,there is a common denominator in all those hits....Jim Peterik also wrote them.
Now how many "other "hits has Frankie had a hand in writing? Not sure that I know of any.Oh yes.. Rockin' into the Night",but I believe Mr. Smith also wrote that song....guess he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath also.
Now lets look at Jim Peterik......He co-wrote all the Survivor hits..we all know that. But now lets look at outside songs...for our purposes we'll only look at 1 other band......38 'Mother fucking' Special!!!! Jim Peterik had a hand in writing, what 95% of their hits. On their Greatest hits 2 cd set there were 36 songs on it.....he co-wrote 18 of them.And I hope you aren't naive enough to think 38 isn't quality or relevant. Need further proof.....How about the #1 hit "Vehicle" when he was a teenager.
So there's your quality and your productivity.....if you are honest with me and yourself,you know there's no way Frankie can possibly hold a candle to that track record.

Frankie's strength is producing...not songwriting. Thus my comments.And before you trot out your new album as proof of his writing skills.....I personally hope your album goes PLATINUM,but it won't be because of Frankie's writing ability. It's Frankie's weakness.....nothing wrong with that...we all have weaknesses.
Not quite sure what your lyrics have to do with anything....don't recall trying to tear you or Sullivan down. Never said I hated either one of you,hell I don't even know either one of you....never even met you....have met Sullivan many times and wasn't impressed with what I saw of him as a person. I will say this..both Jim and Frankie have their faults,no doubt about it.....but as Jim's World Stage shows have shown...Jim has a ton of friends who would be there for him...you, yourself, used to be one of them. How many would Frankie be able to call on for Frankie Sullivan's World Stage show? Besides you. My guess is not many. By the way I noticed you only addressed the songwriting subject....Am I to believe that you agree with me about everything else I spoke of.

Axe..I guess Frankie's work with Heat and Eddie Money means nothing. Give me a break. I have a ton of respect for JP but you don't prop Mr. Peterik up by tearing Frankie down. It's that simple. What is the point of your post anyway? I don't get it. I know you guys are doing your best to tear down FS. Sorry Frankie's talent speaks for itself. He is what we call in baseball a 5 tool player. He can do it all. Better yet he is humble about it. I know you have done your best to make Frankie at best a studio musician. What a joke. Just know this. You will never get away with stating this crap. It will always go checked. I don't even know where to begin to shoot holes in some of the statements above axe. Better you who the hell are you to judge FS or for that matter anyone as a human being. Axe we all fall short my friend. I pity you for thinking character assassination is a sport.

Nobody(But you) said his work with Money didn't matter, quite honestly I've never heard of Heat, And I have given you a break.....many breaks....there are things I know,but haven't divulged and they concern YOU. Don't ask 'cause I still won't.
Now to the topic at hand, where do I "tear" Frankie down? By stating my opinion? Newsflash sweetheart....I'm entitled to my opinion,and I don't need your fucking permission to have it either. As for my point of the post...it was in response to Joe and his post or at least I think it was Joe....we shall soon find out, And I wouldn't expect you to understand it,it would take you removing your Rose-colored glasses and Sullivan Can Do No Wrong T-shirt. Not to mention having some objectivity,which is next to impossible.
Frankie's talent does speak for itself....and he has talents that even you are unaware of....unless of course you're in his inner circle,or stumble on them like I did.
He is an extremely humble man no doubt!!!!!! At least that's what his 25 minute guitar solos said to me. And Slander....I'm not trying to get away with anything,but honestly....you're starting to sound like his lover with all this it'll go checked and you won't get a way with it crap. God are you pathetic with this defending him like a lover crap.
As for shooting holes....give it a try.....you've never been at a loss for words before, why should you hold back now.
Where did I say he was a studio player? I said he was good, but there are better. You can't honestly say he's the best there is can you? Again OPINION. Where did I JUDGE him as a human being? Again OPINION. Where was the character assasination? Again OPINION.
I guess the way I read it.....No one can have an opinion unless A) It's the same as Slander/Joe Vana/ Crazy Marty or B) All Opinions must be approved by above said people.
I don't need nor do I want your pity.....save it for those who are narrow-minded enough to think their opinion is gospel and the only one who's counts. Not once did I EVER attack you for your OPINION,whether I agreed with it or not,you on the other hand have repeatedly attacked me for mine. Love that double standard.
Oh, by the way...... 2 things...1) go check out Steve Blaze of LILLIAN AXE...try the first 2 albums S/T and Love and War. His guitar work on those and others are what earned him a major endoresment with Ibanez guitars and a ton of magazine ads. Just one of the guys I think are better...2)how.....know what never mind #2 it would be character assasination to finish,but be assured...I've seen things with Frankie and he's not a Pure as the driven Snow, like you'd like to believe. If you are in his employment like I believe....you'll figure out exactly what I know and mean if not........sorry this one stays with me. But it was confirmed for me in front of witnesses by another band member.

By the way...is there a reason that none of you are able to post right after the other one?

[Lark]

this board suddenly became so quiet you can hear a pin drop.....................................

[Slander]

this board suddenly became so quiet you can hear a pin drop.....................................

Please. Some of us have more to do than this nonsense. By the way Frankie played on the Heart album! Nothing At All. More later.

[Lark]

what did I say? what nonsense? did I miss something?

[Journey/Survivor]

Speaking of Frankie and the Heart song "Nothing At All"...........

Frankie is credited as having played the solos on the song "Nobody Home" which you can easily tell on your own anyway because it has his sound writen all over it.

Now he is also credited as having played on "Nothing At All," but it does not make clear if it's the solo or just rhythm or if it's the solo.

Also there are two different versions of the solo in "Nothing At all," the one that we have on the American release, and a different one on some over seas versions of the album. I've always thought that the solo in the American release sounds like it might be two different players playing different parts of it. But the over seas version sounds like just one player to me.

I'd be interested in some background on the fact that there are two different versions of that solo!?!?

[crazy mar tay]

AxeCrew wrote:

"I've seen things with Frankie and he's not a Pure as the driven Snow, like you'd like to believe."

I never said the guy was perfect i think i said he wasn't. I also never said he was a saint just not the complete asshole, heartless, evil money grubbing p.o.s. you guys made him out to be. So, I don't know who your talking about. I happen to like Frankie alot and think of him as a REAL and honest, funny and smart guy. I'm not talking about his talent. but most of the time on here neither are you guys who sack him and blast him!!

Thats the problem or the main one I got with you guys....just slamming him as a person. given NO proof that you knew him to begin with. So, to me and probably slander, JV and others I'd say it looks like your just attacking him for the sake of it.



AxeCrew wrote:
" If you are in his employment like I believe....you'll figure out exactly what I know and mean if not........sorry this one stays with me. But it was confirmed for me in front of witnesses by another band member. "

Once again if you directing your comments to me they make no sense as I haven't ever licked Franks ass and no I do not work for him or Survivor or Mecca for that matter though I'm close with JV. He's good people and IMO so is Frankie. I think most of the music Frankie made on the original 7 albums and the demo's that are around ( esp some of those) are fantastic, and most if not all his playing stellar and so tastey. I admire and appreciate Frankie's talents.

I HAVE criticized some of his moves and a parts of reach and a few other things in the past. But, I do not hate him for them. So, I know not of what your talking about again Axecrew.

Axe Crew wrote:
"I guess the way I read it.....No one can have an opinion unless A) It's the same as Slander/Joe Vana/ Crazy Marty or B) All Opinions must be approved by above said people."


That is so fucking not true dude! I just got a problem with a few of your comments, and also Joe PA's , Larks and eye of...'s when you guys THINK you know Frankie and his motives and how he is as a person and why he's done this or that.

I know this much from my few times around Frankie Sullivan He is a great guy but...he is very picky who he hangs with , works with etc etc. He can seem alouf at times but he's not a bad person...if he was Joe Vana WOULD NEVER in a million fucking years work with him then..talent aside. NEVER! You can take that to the bank as Joe doesn't NEED to make music for a living he's got a thriving restaurant and he only surrounds himself around friends and people he knows to make his music with him now anyways. The past is just that and that wasn't always a pleasant place to be in for Joe but NOW it is and Frankie is a big part of it.


That is why you guys piss me off with your alleged " truths" and so on about the man and his methods and why he does what he does. Believe me when i tell you I doubt you know Frankie 1/4 as well as you think you do. If he was all these things you say he is or think...noone would wanna work with him!!

Examples of a FEW people who haven't run screaming from working with Frankie Sullivan :

Marc 's been his drummer now since early 1997/late 1996 still going strong far as I can tell. Chris Grove is a mother fucker of a talent. Classically trained, and is also a great great guy from my few times being around him. He's been the keys/synth / guy since Jim departed and I do not see him leaving Survivor.

Billy Ozello is a good bassist, has good songs and a nice voice and with those guys on stage has a perfect vibe thats hard to beat. He has fun out there and Survivor has a groove n vibe with him that really shows. he's been back for over a year now and was there bassist for many years in the 1990's I do not see him going because of Frankie either...


Joe Vana n Frankie are getting along famously and working better than ANYONE expected so there's another example of a guy who luvs to work with Frankie Sullivan...



I don't see Rockin' Robin McAuley jumping ship after working and touring all over the globe with Frankie either...seems happy to me. they got more shit booked and there kicking ass!!

I just think your wrong dude on most of what you say about Frankie....and I do not believe you or any of you guys know him at all personally to make these claims you do. You never back shit up just talk it.



c.m.

[Eyeof]

once again marty, i've never spoken a word to you, so when it comes to me again...you should keep your mouth SHUT when it comes to me...

I don't know how plain I can be...someone asked me my problem with Frankie and I stated it...plain and simple...never said i knew him or his motives and I've even said I'm sure there are reasons...So for ONCE again...Leave me out of your bickering. Just simply shut your face when it comes to me.

[Red13JoePa]

what you Frankie sycophant MORONS don't get is that when I or since I'm always grouped w/ Lark, EyeOf and AxeCrew, WE are talking about when we say we want more Survivor projects out of Frankie is that while we LIKE Eddie Money we don't see how producing or playing on Eddie Money or Heart or Medina records equates to quenching our thirst for Survivor albums, live albums and DVDs.

[MarcelJordan]

what you Frankie sycophant MORONS don't get is that when I or since I'm always grouped w/ Lark, EyeOf and AxeCrew, WE are talking about when we say we want more Survivor projects out of Frankie is that while we LIKE Eddie Money we don't see how producing or playing on Eddie Money or Heart or Medina records equates to quenching our thirst for Survivor albums, live albums and DVDs.

Yes. We really don't want new Survivor stuff.

[axecrew]

Love how I get lumped into a group with the others, because I'm not on the Sullivan hope train. We ALL have our OWN OPINIONS...address us all seperate.
Call me satan incarnate if you want....my opinion won't change. Marty.....you don't even know who I am,I've stood next to you at shows before and you don't even know it. So how can you know or tell who I know or what I know? That was just an ignorant comment for you to make.
And making you look even more stupid is the fact that my comments weren't even directed at you,but as usual you came to the rescue in the name of truth,justice and the Sullivan way.
And by the way.....never claimed to know him personally,you manifested that with your vivid imagination. What I said was it's what I've seen.....backstage....at the hotel....you don't have to know HIM for access to those ares now do you marty?

[crazy mar tay]

Axecrew, you quoted at least 2 other posts and named me specifically in that post so yes, I have an interest in that as you were saying i and the others have to approve or you have to agree with us. Nothing about that claim with regards to me is true.

I don't care what /who you like Axe and that goes for EVERYONE here as your all entitled to your opinions. Axe, Your "facts" and things you've said at times seemingly never come with proof to back them. To me personally yours and others posts here alot of the time looks like trolling and spam against survivor and esp. Frankie and have little or no merit or anything to back them.


Thats all I really have to say on this subject.

have a good week one and all,


rock on!


c.m.

[Slander]

Axecrew, you quoted at least 2 other posts and named me specifically in that post so yes, I have an interest in that as you were saying i and the others have to approve or you have to agree with us. Nothing about that claim with regards to me is true.

I don't care what /who you like Axe and that goes for EVERYONE here as your all entitled to your opinions. Axe, Your "facts" and things you've said at times seemingly never come with proof to back them. To me personally yours and others posts here alot of the time looks like trolling and spam against survivor and esp. Frankie and have little or no merit or anything to back them.


Thats all I really have to say on this subject.

have a good week one and all,


rock on!


c.m.

Encore! Encore! Marty.

[Slander]

Love how I get lumped into a group with the others, because I'm not on the Sullivan hope train. We ALL have our OWN OPINIONS...address us all seperate.
Call me satan incarnate if you want....my opinion won't change. Marty.....you don't even know who I am,I've stood next to you at shows before and you don't even know it. So how can you know or tell who I know or what I know? That was just an ignorant comment for you to make.
And making you look even more stupid is the fact that my comments weren't even directed at you,but as usual you came to the rescue in the name of truth,justice and the Sullivan way.
And by the way.....never claimed to know him personally,you manifested that with your vivid imagination. What I said was it's what I've seen.....backstage....at the hotel....you don't have to know HIM for access to those ares now do you marty?

Why does the anti-Sullivan fan club get so defensive?

[axecrew]

Love how I get lumped into a group with the others, because I'm not on the Sullivan hope train. We ALL have our OWN OPINIONS...address us all seperate.
Call me satan incarnate if you want....my opinion won't change. Marty.....you don't even know who I am,I've stood next to you at shows before and you don't even know it. So how can you know or tell who I know or what I know? That was just an ignorant comment for you to make.
And making you look even more stupid is the fact that my comments weren't even directed at you,but as usual you came to the rescue in the name of truth,justice and the Sullivan way.
And by the way.....never claimed to know him personally,you manifested that with your vivid imagination. What I said was it's what I've seen.....backstage....at the hotel....you don't have to know HIM for access to those ares now do you marty?

Why does the anti-Sullivan fan club get so defensive?

The same reason the Pro-Sullivan one does.

[axecrew]

Axecrew, you quoted at least 2 other posts and named me specifically in that post so yes, I have an interest in that as you were saying i and the others have to approve or you have to agree with us. Nothing about that claim with regards to me is true.

I don't care what /who you like Axe and that goes for EVERYONE here as your all entitled to your opinions. Axe, Your "facts" and things you've said at times seemingly never come with proof to back them. To me personally yours and others posts here alot of the time looks like trolling and spam against survivor and esp. Frankie and have little or no merit or anything to back them.


Thats all I really have to say on this subject.

have a good week one and all,
rock on!
c.m.

Show me how I quoted 2 other post....I had no choice they were already quoted,but that doesn't count I guess. Where did I specifically talk to you? Point it out. I simply did the same that was done to me....lumped you all into a group.

[Eyeof]

Slander that's funny, I didn't see him address you in that post? You just can't mind your own business and keep your big mouth shut can you and you can't resist attacking people...it gets old...the difference is you attack people and then act like you are all above it...

[Slander]

Slander that's funny, I didn't see him address you in that post? You just can't mind your own business and keep your big mouth shut can you and you can't resist attacking people...it gets old...the difference is you attack people and then act like you are all above it...

Guy if you name call I'm not going to let it go unchecked. I've never been the one attacking people. I've never attacked JJ or JP or Jimi. My issue with you hypocrites is your non-stop tirades againts FS when he isn't even on the board. I've always wanted to talk music on this board. Period. JV comes on the board to talk music and you guys tear him down with inane bs. Your damn right it is getting old. All you guys do is want to rant and rave about Frankie. Damn right it is old. Truer words haven't been spoken eye of. You guys are broken record.

[Slander]

[quote="axecrewOh, by the way...... 2 things...1) go check out Steve Blaze of LILLIAN AXE...try the first 2 albums S/T and Love and War. His guitar work on those and others are what earned him a major endoresment with Ibanez guitars and a ton of magazine ads.quote]

Is this an Lillian axe board?

[Slander]

Love how I get lumped into a group with the others, because I'm not on the Sullivan hope train. We ALL have our OWN OPINIONS...address us all seperate.
Call me satan incarnate if you want....my opinion won't change. Marty.....you don't even know who I am,I've stood next to you at shows before and you don't even know it. So how can you know or tell who I know or what I know? That was just an ignorant comment for you to make.
And making you look even more stupid is the fact that my comments weren't even directed at you,but as usual you came to the rescue in the name of truth,justice and the Sullivan way.
And by the way.....never claimed to know him personally,you manifested that with your vivid imagination. What I said was it's what I've seen.....backstage....at the hotel....you don't have to know HIM for access to those ares now do you marty?

Why does the anti-Sullivan fan club get so defensive?

The same reason the Pro-Sullivan one does.

No one needs to defend the work of Frankie Sullivan. His talents soar above your paper thin argumentation. What I do defend FS personally. It's really easy to tear into the guy when he isn't even on the board to defend himself. He shouldn't even have to do that.

[axecrew]

Slander that's funny, I didn't see him address you in that post? You just can't mind your own business and keep your big mouth shut can you and you can't resist attacking people...it gets old...the difference is you attack people and then act like you are all above it...

Guy if you name call I'm not going to let it go unchecked. I've never been the one attacking people. I've never attacked JJ or JP or Jimi. My issue with you hypocrites is your non-stop tirades againts FS when he isn't even on the board. I've always wanted to talk music on this board. Period. JV comes on the board to talk music and you guys tear him down with inane bs. Your damn right it is getting old. All you guys do is want to rant and rave about Frankie. Damn right it is old. Truer words haven't been spoken eye of. You guys are broken record.

Slander,slander,slander....by your own words in a multitude of past post......
SURVIOR is Frankie Sullivan.....he's the reason for the season....the glue that bonds the band....the only reason to like Survivor music etc,etc,etc.........so therefore since he's the BIG KAHUNA....guess what...he gets the blame when the fans have an issue,it's that simple.......if he wants to be the main man in the spotlight and take all the good,the he's got to man up and take the bad with it also.
As for your Lillian Axe comment......that was an example of a player that I find better than Frankie,BUT using your warped logic.......I at this point in time FORBID you to mention Joe Vana ever again.....I mean shit this is a Survivor board not a Joe Vana board and last I looked Mr. Vana wasn't in Survivor now or in the past.

[axecrew]

Love how I get lumped into a group with the others, because I'm not on the Sullivan hope train. We ALL have our OWN OPINIONS...address us all seperate.
Call me satan incarnate if you want....my opinion won't change. Marty.....you don't even know who I am,I've stood next to you at shows before and you don't even know it. So how can you know or tell who I know or what I know? That was just an ignorant comment for you to make.
And making you look even more stupid is the fact that my comments weren't even directed at you,but as usual you came to the rescue in the name of truth,justice and the Sullivan way.
And by the way.....never claimed to know him personally,you manifested that with your vivid imagination. What I said was it's what I've seen.....backstage....at the hotel....you don't have to know HIM for access to those ares now do you marty?

Why does the anti-Sullivan fan club get so defensive?

The same reason the Pro-Sullivan one does.

No one needs to defend the work of Frankie Sullivan. His talents soar above your paper thin argumentation. What I do defend FS personally. It's really easy to tear into the guy when he isn't even on the board to defend himself. He shouldn't even have to do that.

If no one needs to defend the work of Sullivan(YOUR OWN WORDS) then why are you here everyday doing it? In case you haven't noticed....most of the complaints are about his work or lack there of. Btw I hear you also play guitar?