State Of The Band Address:

[jrnyman28]

For the record I agree completely with Survivor's right to move on with a new singer. That does not mean I have to agree that it was the best choice. And until there is new music with the new choice I have no way to make that opinion.

Hey Dave,

It's not like there is Frankie-Robin music out there. They did a whole album! It's called Business As Usual. Why don't you give it a spin. At least then you might be able to educate yourself on how they would sound.

I have it.
I listened.
I didn't think much of it.
I will listen again because you praise it so highly but it did not hold my attention and after one spin I moved onto something else.

But that is not Survivor music.

And speaking of education Slander, I have posted before that I have listened to Business As Usual before and it did not grab my attention enough for more than one spin. Why do I have to keep repeating myself over and over again to you? And why do you keep repeating yourself? Broken record? Not unlike Survivor...

[jrnyman28]

You can go to paradiseartists.com and hear Robin's take on FMS, REACH, and EOTT. There is stuff out there.

And if I am not mistaken (and I admit I could be), weren't those the original Survivor songs with Robin's vocals overdubbed. Not really the same as NEW MUSIC. And if you will recall, I mentioned that Robin on the other singer's material is not a match to me, therefore it is up to NEW MUSIC to give me something to judge on. I have already listened to the Survivor stuff with RM and I do not care to much for it. But that does not mean he was the wrong choice for the band UNLESS all they want to do is tour. Then I think it is a hinderance because I doubt I am the only casual fan who would prefer to hear the music of my memories to be sung by the memory makers...

[Slander]

You can go to paradiseartists.com and hear Robin's take on FMS, REACH, and EOTT. There is stuff out there.

And if I am not mistaken (and I admit I could be), weren't those the original Survivor songs with Robin's vocals overdubbed. Not really the same as NEW MUSIC. And if you will recall, I mentioned that Robin on the other singer's material is not a match to me, therefore it is up to NEW MUSIC to give me something to judge on. I have already listened to the Survivor stuff with RM and I do not care to much for it. But that does not mean he was the wrong choice for the band UNLESS all they want to do is tour. Then I think it is a hinderance because I doubt I am the only casual fan who would prefer to hear the music of my memories to be sung by the memory makers...

I agree with you on some of your comments. I never thought JJ was the right fit for Tiger. He doesn't have enough edge. Just like I'm not crazy about Dave singing some VS stuff. You are right about those being overdubs. I never said it was new music. I thought you had claimed you hadn't heard Robin doing Surivor. My bad. Shoot me. So if you don't care for it why are you and others complaining about no new material? Is Robin's voice going to change? I don't think so.

[jrnyman28]

I thought you had claimed you hadn't heard Robin doing Surivor. My bad. Shoot me. So if you don't care for it why are you and others complaining about no new material? Is Robin's voice going to change? I don't think so.

I claimed that I will reserve my judgement of RM being right for Survivor when I hear him on new music.

I am not sure why this is a difficult concept to grasp, but new music from Survivor would/should feature a new collaborative effort with RM included. I do not know just how much collaborating went on with RM and FS for Business As Usual, but I look at it like this: That was a RM solo CD with FS contributing. That should still be different than a Survivor CD with RM collaborating. I am complaining because A) "we" were given the 'hope' of new material. B) I think all bands, especially when undergoing a significant member change, should continue creating new music. C) I think when something as significant as a vocal change occurs, a band needs to identify the new vocal with new material. (As stated before) If the intention is only to tour the old material than the vocal should not be signifacantly different than that of the voice ON the old material.

I have yet to "complain" about RM's voice. Please, when addressing me address MY posts/opinions/thoughts not others.

[Eyeof]

From here forward...I will post in true Slander fashion only....
...

I'm not saying Robin can't sing at all. He does remind me a lot of Edith Bunker when he sings however. I am in no way going to sit here and bash anyone, even if Red acts like Omarosa from the Apprentice. I know Frankie Sullivan is a great guy, but his business practices remind you a lot of the way Darth Vader runs an empire...But I just can't believe that all of you sit here and comdemn the band the way you do. I would never do that. I'm so much better than that. Hey, I love JJ..he's a great talent and I'm sure he's a descent human being and a wonderful bar tender, who favors a late Vegas-day Elvis. He's awesome. Really...he is.

On another note, let's completely ignore Axe's comment on Chris Grove leaving the band...I mean, I dare Chris bash Frankie that way....I demand that Andrew step up his journalistic integrity and call FS (on his disconnected phone) at once...I demand it...Hey, I'm critical of Frankie all the time...Really..I am....Did i mention that JJ doesn't walk on water?

I'm just so glad that I'm better than Red, who i'm not saying he doesn't have a life and he post too much, but well yes..i did say that...no i didn't...i mean..it's a weekend Red..you ever heard of it? I'm so glad I'm so much better than Eye of and Axe and 28...I mean the way they tear down this band...i mean Frankie...i mean Frankie is the band...wait, not my bable and contradcitions are getting me even confused...

Did i mention I met Frankie and had the opportunity to kiss his ass for a while and since I'm been so loyal...I'm so good...and you all...are so very, very bad....

[Eyeof]

Also, just as JJ's voice was a good fit for Tiger, I would like to point out that Robin's voice isn't a very good fit for:

Tiger, The Serach is Over, High On You, Is this Love, Too Hot to Sleep, I Can't hold back, Didn't know it was Love, Caught in the Game, Freelance, Jackie Don't Go, The Moment of Truth, Burting Heart, First Night, How Much Love, Burning Bridges, Home Sweet Home, Kickstart My Heart, It's the Singer Not the Song, Take You on a Saturday Night, Slander, High Life, Ever Since the World Began and quite a few more...

However, he would rock on:

Cum on Feel the Noise, Metal Hearth and the Wild and the Young...

[Red13JoePa]

Like EyeOf or hate him (even you Slander) have got to admit that was an incredibly funny post (and he nailed the Slander schtic to a tee).

[IngoK]

Points to Eyeof

[Slander]

From here forward...I will post in true Slander fashion only....
...

I'm not saying Robin can't sing at all. He does remind me a lot of Edith Bunker when he sings however. I am in no way going to sit here and bash anyone, even if Red acts like Omarosa from the Apprentice. I know Frankie Sullivan is a great guy, but his business practices remind you a lot of the way Darth Vader runs an empire...But I just can't believe that all of you sit here and comdemn the band the way you do. I would never do that. I'm so much better than that. Hey, I love JJ..he's a great talent and I'm sure he's a descent human being and a wonderful bar tender, who favors a late Vegas-day Elvis. He's awesome. Really...he is.

On another note, let's completely ignore Axe's comment on Chris Grove leaving the band...I mean, I dare Chris bash Frankie that way....I demand that Andrew step up his journalistic integrity and call FS (on his disconnected phone) at once...I demand it...Hey, I'm critical of Frankie all the time...Really..I am....Did i mention that JJ doesn't walk on water?

I'm just so glad that I'm better than Red, who i'm not saying he doesn't have a life and he post too much, but well yes..i did say that...no i didn't...i mean..it's a weekend Red..you ever heard of it? I'm so glad I'm so much better than Eye of and Axe and 28...I mean the way they tear down this band...i mean Frankie...i mean Frankie is the band...wait, not my bable and contradcitions are getting me even confused...

Did i mention I met Frankie and had the opportunity to kiss his ass for a while and since I'm been so loyal...I'm so good...and you all...are so very, very bad....

Kudos Eye. What did that take you all day to write? Once again you prove that you like others here post here are incapable of any objectivity whatsoever. I will say it again: I will fight to keep this board positive. Sorry you have a problem with that.

[Slander]

The Wild and the Young...

Great Track! Wish Robin would sing it. I also can't wait to hear him do some MSG in concert. In regards to axe: I'm not going to comment on speculation and gossip. I'll leave that for you folks.

[Eyeof]

Slander, I admire your commitment to passive-aggressive posts...love it...

"Great post...did it take you all day to write..." lol...awesome...

Actually, it took about 45 seconds, but who's counting...

Wild and the Young is a great tune though...

[Slander]

Slander, I admire your commitment to passive-aggressive posts...love it...

"Great post...did it take you all day to write..." lol...awesome...

Actually, it took about 45 seconds, but who's counting...

Wild and the Young is a great tune though...

Your definition of passive aggressive is a riot. Let me get this straight Eye: If someone agrees with you it's passive; if they disagree it's aggressive? I don't worship at anyones temple on this planet. Not you, not the board moderator, not anyone. Sorry, I just don't think you get respect in life that way. I just don't see things like black and white like yourself and Red. Life isn't that simple. I have found that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I see things in shades of gray. That's not passive aggressive. That's just life. It appears that yourself and others only want people on this board that agree with you. That is unfortunate. It doesn't lend itself to honest discussion. You want me to speculate about a phone call between Chris Grove and FS? I don't know what happened. It's not of my business. The same goes for actually what happened with the band over the years. I wasn't there. I will say this: Everyone involved more than likely has to share some of the blame. My appearance on this board has always been about keeping the conversation balanced in a civil way.

[Red13JoePa]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

Because he thought McCauley's McPost on the Mcsite was somewhat deprived of real Survivor info.?

As you've asked before "Where's the beef?"

[Eyeof]

No dipsh$t...Passive aggressive is the way you constantly insult everyone and everything, while pretending to be better than doing that...

This is from the Straight Dope.com....maybe it explains it...

You might get some argument there, Frank. It's true that if you look under "passive-aggressive personality disorder" (PAPD) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the older editions--more about that below), you find the syndrome solemnly described as a "pervasive pattern of passive resistance to demands for adequate social and occupational performance." But once you delve into the history of the term, you realize that--at least in the eyes of its critics--it's mostly useful as a high-flown way to call someone a pain in the ass.

[Eyeof]

damn..now i've name called Slander...Slander, i'm sorry....i'm sure you are a good poster, a descent human being and a damn good bartender...

[Slander]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

It was a general comment. Gimme a break.

[Slander]

No dipsh$t...Passive aggressive is the way you constantly insult everyone and everything, while pretending to be better than doing that...

This is from the Straight Dope.com....maybe it explains it...

You might get some argument there, Frank. It's true that if you look under "passive-aggressive personality disorder" (PAPD) in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the older editions--more about that below), you find the syndrome solemnly described as a "pervasive pattern of passive resistance to demands for adequate social and occupational performance." But once you delve into the history of the term, you realize that--at least in the eyes of its critics--it's mostly useful as a high-flown way to call someone a pain in the ass.

I guess anyone's a pain in the ass that doesn't march lock step with all of you who dislike Frankie Sullivan and the band in it's current state. I don't know why you just don't call this the I hate Survivor forum and anybody who disagrees isn't welcome. I'm not going to agree with you just to be welcome here.

[Red13JoePa]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

It was a general comment. Gimme a break.

Bullshit.
What do you disagree with "The moderator (Andrew)" on, that you won't "bow down to him?"

[Slander]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

It was a general comment. Gimme a break.

Bullshit.
What do you disagree with "The moderator (Andrew)" on, that you won't "bow down to him?"

JoePa I don't need to answer to you. That was the whole point. It was nothing specific. What part don't you understand here? My point is: I'm not going to agree with anyone, not the president, not you, not anyone just to agree. As for Andrew I'm a big fan of the board or I wouldn't be here. Secondly I do my damndest to spread the word about melodicrock.com in my circles. Andrew is a big boy. If he has an issue with me he will let me know and he has. I don't mean to speak for Andrew but I'm sure he respects people who speak their true feelings and don't just suck up.

[Red13JoePa]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

It was a general comment. Gimme a break.

Bullshit.
What do you disagree with "The moderator (Andrew)" on, that you won't "bow down to him?"

JoePa I don't need to answer to you. That was the whole point. It was nothing specific. What part don't you understand here? My point is: I'm not going to agree with anyone, not the president, not you, not anyone just to agree. As for Andrew I'm a big fan of the board or I wouldn't be here. Secondly I do my damndest to spread the word about melodicrock.com in my circles. Andrew is a big boy. If he has an issue with me he will let me know and he has. I don't mean to speak for Andrew but I'm sure he respects people who speak their true feelings and don't just suck up.

1) You're the one that brought HIM up, not vice versa. And as EyeOf and Dave have so deftly and accurately pointed out, you tend to contradict yourself by passive/aggressively following up all of your disavowments of problems with Andrew and your great respect for him with a lot of "having said that"s and "Andrew is a big boy" and that he "respects people who speak their true feelings and don't just suck up."
It's dripping with bitterness about SOMEthing. So just sack up for once and let it out. Who do you accuse of sucking up to Andrew, and why is that affection for Andrew a problem for you?

[Eyeof]

Andrew doesn't bow down to the Church of Frankism and the Poision Lies...he tells it like it is...to all of us...and that's a lot for some to handle...

[Eyeof]

The funny thing is, i was once just like Slander on all of this...Took in FS's BS. Believed it. I bashed JJ, just as FS leads you to do. I hung on every word that jerk said, like it was the gospel. I would like to thank FS for exposing himself to be the liar and back stabber that he is and freeing me of that spell. Hopefully the same will happen soon for Slander and he can be free of it as well.

[Red13JoePa]

"Hey.
Never said I have a beef with Andrew. Even if he does allow all the vile bashing of frankie and the band and McEdith as much as he allows me to bash Jamison and damn Peterik with faint praise. I think he does a serviceable job of reporting, even THOUGH he didn't demand the 3rd party interviewer talking to Jamison conduct his interview from a FrankieCentric point of view.
I think the site has some decent content, even if he did neglect to do the skiptrace on Frankie after frankie changed the number he gave andrew and track him down and allow frankie to rebut the charges levied by Jamison in someone else's interview.
Having said that, I believe in responsibility, fairness, and integrity as a journalist.
Andrew's a grown man, surely he's prepared to take responsibility for what runs on his site.
By the way, have you heard McBusiness As Usual?"

[Slander]

Why are you bringing Andrew up?

It was a general comment. Gimme a break.

Bullshit.
What do you disagree with "The moderator (Andrew)" on, that you won't "bow down to him?"

JoePa I don't need to answer to you. That was the whole point. It was nothing specific. What part don't you understand here? My point is: I'm not going to agree with anyone, not the president, not you, not anyone just to agree. As for Andrew I'm a big fan of the board or I wouldn't be here. Secondly I do my damndest to spread the word about melodicrock.com in my circles. Andrew is a big boy. If he has an issue with me he will let me know and he has. I don't mean to speak for Andrew but I'm sure he respects people who speak their true feelings and don't just suck up.

1) You're the one that brought HIM up, not vice versa. And as EyeOf and Dave have so deftly and accurately pointed out, you tend to contradict yourself by passive/aggressively following up all of your disavowments of problems with Andrew and your great respect for him with a lot of "having said that"s and "Andrew is a big boy" and that he "respects people who speak their true feelings and don't just suck up."
It's dripping with bitterness about SOMEthing. So just sack up for once and let it out. Who do you accuse of sucking up to Andrew, and why is that affection for Andrew a problem for you?

Red you are like Ken Starr or Inspector Javert. There is no there there. You can pursue this all you want. In fact it's kind of fun watching yourself and Eye spend countless posts trying to create a rift. You can keep posting away. I have made my feelings clear. I will not agree with you just for the sake of agreement. I will however continue to do my best to supply information about the band when I get it. I will continue my support of members of this band past and present. I will continue to support Andrews site by spreading the word. You guys on the other hand can conintue waisting posts talking about things that aren't music related. You can bash me all you want. I think that speaks volumes about your character. I have asked repeatedly for us to come together and talk about music in a constructive way. I guess we know where you all stand on that request. This conversation is done as far as I'm concerened.

[Red13JoePa]

1) you didn't answer the questions, Mr. FauxHighRoad.
Who do you accuse of sucking up to Andrew and why does it bug you?
2) You can't keep the discourse positive in a vaccuum. The band Survivor is not doing anything. You said it yourself, only in my post it's undisputeable. There's no "there" there.

[Eyeof]

Red...how can you say they are not doing anything?

What about Frankie's work with other bands or McDubrow's work in another band? By that token, can't we count what Grove is doing as Survivor work as well?

Speaking of which...wonder if FS feels bad for lighting into him and hanging up on him...

As someone once said, there are two sides to every story...

1. Frankie's story
2. Everyone else's story...

Funny how that works...

[Red13JoePa]

Red...how can you say they are not doing anything?

What McDubrow's work in another band?

Come, now, EyeOf.
You're starting to sound like a broken record.
Slanderous.
What McEdithBunker is doing in Bleed or the McStPaddy'sDay Gaelick Shileleaghs doesn't count for Survivor activity.

[axecrew]

Since Slander won't "Agree just to agree","bow down and kiss anyone's ass", and all the other cute rhetorics.....
How 'bout just answering my questions.......They are not gossip, speculation etc......if you'll remember I ask you to ASK Grove when you spoke to him. This tells me that you either didn't speak to him OR you did and he told you things you didn't want to hear. So which is it ?

Eye of that post was not only one of the funniest I've ever read,but also so dead on it wasn't even funny.


Slander----" JJ is a great guy,I really respect his abilities and talents....after all I'm going to need a drink sometime and who better to make it."
God are you pathetic....you can't even thinnly veil your antagonism for him and Peterik anymore.

Ladies and Gentlemen....I propose that slander's new name be Marc Antony.........Friends,Romans,Countrymen...etc,etc...........anyone notice that his speaches on here take on a great Marc Antony vibe from Julius Ceaser????

[Red13JoePa]

That post by EyeOf is going right to Cooperstown, no passing go, no collecting $200 just straight to the MR hall comic hall of fame.

[Slander]

How 'bout just answering my questions.......They are not gossip, speculation etc......if you'll remember I ask you to ASK Grove when you spoke to him. This tells me that you either didn't speak to him OR you did and he told you things you didn't want to hear. So which is it ?

No I did not speak to Chris which I regret. I have talked to him in the past not that he would remember. I think we talked Packer football or something. I did see him but I was setting up for my interview with Eddie. To be honest that question you wanted me to ask wouldn't have been a great ice breaker to start with. LOL. I had intended to talk to him after the show but I did not see him. Scout's honor. I talked to a couple of other members of Eddie's band after the show but Chris wasn't among them. So the answer to your question is no.