JJ announces he has rejoined Survivor

by **BARON BLOOD** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:45 pm

-cancellation of JJ solo concerts for 2012

NO PLEASE !!!......i think JJ is wiser now.....he'll never quit the solo stuff !

but i get the picture.....it's true that when you really wanna do something you put more meat around the bone !....but with Survivor you always have to dig up the bones yourself :-)

by **DavidWT** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:51 am

ForceInfinity wrote:My problem with JP songs as of late is that they are almost too predictable, either starting with cymbals leading into the music, or sometime of fade-in sound that leads into the music. But it causes the songs to sound somewhat same-ish after a while.

Thank you! I'm glad to see that someone else is getting a bit tired of JP always starting his songs that way. I haven't read his "Songwriting For Dummies" book, but I have to assume that in the first chapter it says, "Every song should begin with a cymbal roll. This is the most important rule in song writing. If you want to vary things a bit, then replace the cymbal roll with a synthesizer cresdendo."

by **Eyeof** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:18 am

My issue with Reach was that most everything I liked on it was already done better on the FMS demos...10 years is a long time to wait for the material to just get worse...

"FMS" , "Seconds Away" and "I Don't" are so much better on FMS demos...

Also, the other material on the FMS Sessions not used on Reach, is some of the best stuff....

It's a shame with demos are so much more 'complete' than a 'released' album..

by **DavidWT** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:14 am

Eyeof wrote:My issue with Reach was that most everything I liked on it was already done better on the FMS demos...10 years is a long time to wait for the material to just get worse...

"FMS" , "Seconds Away" and "I Don't" are so much better on FMS demos...

Also, the other material on the FMS Sessions not used on Reach, is some of the best stuff....

It's a shame with demos are so much more 'complete' than a 'released' album..

I never heard the demo version of "I Don't", so I can't compare it, but I always found it odd that JJ is singing the song to a man ("You're a difficult man and I don't understand the things you do.") I heard that the lyric is different on the demo version. I asked Frankie about that on the old Survivormusic.com forum, and his answer was something vague like, "It's all about just being in the moment."

I have mixed feelings about "Seconds Away." The demo version was a bit TOO raw, I think, but maybe the final version is too polished?

by **Eyeof** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:55 am

Dude that was weird...it was like JJ was breaking up with his boyfriend!

Maybe he was singing the lyrics to FS! I guess not, he's back...

I like Seconds Away (yes its raw) much more on the FMS...

But I won't lie, I like dave much more on vox...

by **Slander** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:00 am

Eyeof wrote:But I won't lie, I like dave much more on vox...

Clearly this tune as well as FMS were written with Dave in mind. It's a effing shame FMS wasn't released as a single on aor radio with Dave on vocals. As fas as I'm concerned that song rivals tiger and that's saying something. It's that gritty street sound that Stallone loved about Survivor in the first place. JJ does a nice job on Reach, but it's a little to smooth for my taste.

by **Eyeof** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:39 am

Reach is like a 'wussed' up version of FMS...

by **Journey/Survivor** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:07 am

DavidWT wrote:
Eyeof wrote:My issue with Reach was that most everything I liked on it was already done better on the FMS demos...10 years is a long time to wait for the material to just get worse...

"FMS" , "Seconds Away" and "I Don't" are so much better on FMS demos...

Also, the other material on the FMS Sessions not used on Reach, is some of the best stuff....

It's a shame with demos are so much more 'complete' than a 'released' album..

I never heard the demo version of "I Don't", so I can't compare it, but I always found it odd that JJ is singing the song to a man ("You're a difficult man and I don't understand the things you do.") I heard that the lyric is different on the demo version. I asked Frankie about that on the old Survivormusic.com forum, and his answer was something vague like, "It's all about just being in the moment."

I've never viewed "I Don't" as being about the break-up of a romantic-relationship. To me it's more about someone who's fed-up with all of the lies and backstabbing that has come from someone that they know. Even though the lyrics to the song were NOT written by Peterik or Jamison, ironically, I have always thought that it's the type of thing that Jamison, Bickler and Peterik might say to Sullivan.

by **Slander** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:09 am

Journey/Survivor wrote: Even though the lyrics to the song were NOT written by Peterik or Jamison, ironically, I have always thought that it's the type of thing that Jamison, Bickler and Peterik might say to Sullivan.

Really?

by **Mikele** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:37 am

is this..uhmm...reunion somehow linked to the Rocky musical production set up by Stallone?
I mean, in the sense that they feel it might be business time again, at least in some market. The musical is starting in Germany november next year, and that (ridicoulos) "worldwide" tour title on survivormusic.com might actually refer to touring Germany in the same period. By the way, JJ solo dates are set for a German tour early next year

by **Slander** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:41 am

Mikele wrote:is this..uhmm...reunion somehow linked to the Rocky musical production set up by Stallone?
I mean, in the sense that they feel it might be business time again, at least in some market. The musical is starting in Germany november next year, and that (ridicoulos) "worldwide" tour title on survivormusic.com might actually refer to touring Germany in the same period. By the way, JJ solo dates are set for a German tour early next year

I for one am suspicious with JJ doing a lot of solo touring. I mean if we are doing this Survivor thing, let's do it. I'm all for JJ do his own thing, but like I said this whole thing smells of JJ doing is own thing and then touring with the band when convenient. Man how I hope I'm wrong.

by **Eyeof** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:34 pm

Didn't Bickler write "I Don't?"

As for JJ tour dates, no more than Surivor does I would say he would have time to tour on his on, be in Survivor, front Van Halen and run two bars in Memphis...[/code]

by **Journey/Survivor** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:54 am

Eyeof wrote:Didn't Bickler write "I Don't?"

Yes. Without checking the credits, I do believe that Bickler and Sullivan wrote "I Don't."

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:39 am

Slander wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote: Even though the lyrics to the song were NOT written by Peterik or Jamison, ironically, I have always thought that it's the type of thing that Jamison, Bickler and Peterik might say to Sullivan.

Really?

I agree...it was brought up here when the album came out too...that is sounded like the lyric was directed at Frankie...

Been done before...Look no further than The Stones' Beast Of Burden for messages from certain bandmembers to another...but if the song works (as I Don't does I think) Frankie either looks the other way or didn't even notice in the first place.

by **Eyeof** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:07 am

Well Red, Frankie may overlook it but...."I don't"....hahaha

by **silvergirl66** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:22 pm

Hey Eyeof, hows it going? Yes I think Dave wrote "I Don't". I'm like you, I was hoping the big announcement was going to be Dave back in the band but JJ back is still good news. I miss hearing Dave on the Bud Commericals, at I knew he was still around then. I haven't heard any in quite a while.

by **Eyeof** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:23 am

Hey Silver Girl.....going great!

Long time no see!

Last I saw, date said on Twitter he was working on an album 'soon' to come out...but...his time frame seems to be that of FS at times!

I loved the bud commercials...makes me think as well..i miss the bud light lizards as well! Was it Louie?

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:05 am

yup. Louie. I love the Bud Clydesdale commercials, they are always so clever and make me laugh!

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:08 am

There was a bud commercial on tv that had Dave on it, do you remember that one?

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am

Henry Lee sporting the Dave Bickler beret!

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:56 am

silvergirl66 wrote:There was a bud commercial on tv that had Dave on it, do you remember that one?

Actually, there were several different Bud commercials with Dave in them. You can probably find them on Youtube? I think that one of them was supposed to be taking place at a nudist colony? Dave was fully dressed in a studio, of course. :lol:

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:37 pm

I'll have to look them up, I just remember the one.

by **silvergirl66** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:36 pm

where did everyone go? lol

by **Journey/Survivor** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:54 am

silvergirl66 wrote:where did everyone go? lol

I know, no-one is posting on here lately.

I hope to have the new Jamison "One Man's Trash" CD soon. Maybe there will be some discussion on it soon?

If Andrew wants a posting frenzy on the Survivor forum, he needs to get Peterik back in Survivor. :wink:

by **jaxmanjoe** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:41 pm

They've got no dates posted on their website and have posted no notes nor answered any questions on their website since JJ rejoined... not much to talk about unfortunately. Andrew said he had an interview lined up with Frankie. Let's hope that pans out.

I wish he'd release the song they were touting on the website at least, even though it's not JJ; or at least have him recut the vocals. That's what I really think!

by **DavidWT** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:06 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:If Andrew wants a posting frenzy on the Survivor forum, he needs to get Peterik back in Survivor.

Or, if Peterik is unwilling to do that, just get him to join this board.
Actually, Sullivan doesn't seem to be overly busy, he could join this board, too. That would liven things up. I'd love to read the flame wars between the two of them.

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:18 am

They definitely need to get on the road! I'm FB friends with Chris Grove and he said he was on the road 250 days in 2011. Thats amazing! And I'm so happy for him, he's really enjoying being part of Eddie Money's band. I miss him in Survivor but they just didn't work enough, a guys got to make a living!

by **silvergirl66** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:19 am

Survivor opened for REO and Styx in 2001, they are suppose to team up again this summer. Survivor should jump on the road with them again, at least it would get them out there again.

by **Eyeof** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:50 am

It must have been very hard for Grove to go from 2-5 dates a year to 250 dates a year...wow...

Would you guys rather see JJ back in FS's Surivor, or Dave Bickler an album with JP?

by **Joe Vana** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:54 am

Eyeof wrote:It must have been very hard for Grove to go from 2-5 dates a year to 250 dates a year...wow...

Would you guys rather see JJ back in FS's Surivor, or Dave Bickler an album with JP?

The key to JP's tunes is the abilty to have a singer STRETCH his range out to Hi C and Beyond....

Dave is not doing that anymore, you would not want that album....

BUT..Dave doing his own thing would be cool...

JV

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