Survivor Tour 2012

[Abitaman]

Was that the 2000 concert? I saw it as well...JJ was blown out and I could not believe how long that solo lasted...

Yep, that is the one. REO and Styx ruled the night. Survivor started out good, but the solo killed it. I do not remember the other two bands having a solo in there sets. Unless you count Kevin running his mouth , plus REO and Styx had longer sets. Never understood that.
All the Survivor shows I have in all cases I have either edited the solo down or taken it out of the show.

[Red13JoePa]

very Marty McFly moment!

[Slander]

very Marty McFly moment!

Okay, feel free to jump all over me for saying this. Did we ever consider that in the early 2000's FS played the long solo's so JJ could rest his voice? Just a thought.

[Abitaman]

very Marty McFly moment!

Okay, feel free to jump all over me for saying this. Did we ever consider that in the early 2000's FS played the long solo's so JJ could rest his voice? Just a thought.

Then why is he still doing it? and before that too?

[Slander]

very Marty McFly moment!

Okay, feel free to jump all over me for saying this. Did we ever consider that in the early 2000's FS played the long solo's so JJ could rest his voice? Just a thought.

Then why is he still doing it? and before that too?

Like I said it's one explanation.

[MarcelJordan]

very Marty McFly moment!

Okay, feel free to jump all over me for saying this. Did we ever consider that in the early 2000's FS played the long solo's so JJ could rest his voice? Just a thought.

Then why is he still doing it? and before that too?

Like I said it's one explanation.

I didn't hear of JP complaining about long solos even when FS was doing it in the 90s. If he did love to see the quote. Meanwhile FS once said he was " they made to do it all alone and it was an horrible feeling" . They I think he meant the rest of the band.

MJ

[Eyeof]

It's a good point slander, but my feeling is that if your singer can't sing more than 5 or 6 songs....don't tour....

I was so mad the last time I saw def leppard....Elliot could not sing....if you can't perform, dont tour!

[Abitaman]

It's a good point slander, but my feeling is that if your singer can't sing more than 5 or 6 songs....don't tour....

I was so mad the last time I saw def leppard....Elliot could not sing....if you can't perform, dont tour!

Journey should have listened..... Augeri would still be with them.

[Mikele]

FS stated that the band was going to jump in some "tour-package" of sort. Anyhow, Journey has just announced theirs, with Pat Benatar:
http://www.journeymusic.com/pages/news/ ... ng-july-21

As far as Europe is concerned, summer festival bills are mostly already set. Other than these, there's really no good chance for Survivor to tour the old continent, at least in 2012.

[Mikele]

Apparently, only about 250 tix have been as of now sold for the LV show. I think the venue can hold at least a 1000

[DavidWT]

It's a good point slander, but my feeling is that if your singer can't sing more than 5 or 6 songs....don't tour....

This is why Survivor needs to bring back Dave, too. That way, Jimi and Dave could take turns, allowing each other to rest between songs, while not pissing off the fans.

[Slander]

Apparently, only about 250 tix have been as of now sold for the LV show. I think the venue can hold at least a 1000

What? 250 tickets? What kind of promotion to these people have? My god, I've said it a thousand times, this bands talents no where near matches its popularity. Not now, and not when they where actually on the charts. Some serious bad luck with Scotti Brothers!

[Eyeof]

Scoti Bros sucked!

[Mikele]

I agree Slander. At least they could have come up with something for the record store day.

Any news on yesterday's set?

[Eyeof]

To this day I believe had they allowed the use of footage from Rocky III in the "Eye of the Tiger" video, mixed with band shots, it would have done wonders for boosting the bands image and visibility....A. the video would have played more (it hardly did), as people could not get enough of that movie. B. So many more people would have seen and associated the band with the song.

I think that was a major, major mistake by FS. Instead they filmed a video in front of a trash bag and a circulating fan!

[Abitaman]

To this day I believe had they allowed the use of footage from Rocky III in the "Eye of the Tiger" video, mixed with band shots, it would have done wonders for boosting the bands image and visibility....A. the video would have played more (it hardly did), as people could not get enough of that movie. B. So many more people would have seen and associated the band with the song.

I think that was a major, major mistake by FS. Instead they filmed a video in front of a trash bag and a circulating fan!

I have to say, that to this day, I have never seen the EOTT video. May have to look it up later

[DavidWT]

To this day I believe had they allowed the use of footage from Rocky III in the "Eye of the Tiger" video, mixed with band shots, it would have done wonders for boosting the bands image and visibility....A. the video would have played more (it hardly did), as people could not get enough of that movie. B. So many more people would have seen and associated the band with the song.

I think that was a major, major mistake by FS. Instead they filmed a video in front of a trash bag and a circulating fan!

I see your point, but not sure I agree. If there's one thing people DO know about Survivor, it's "Eye Of The Tiger," regardless of whether the video got enough airplay or not. Even without Rocky III footage in the video, Survivor is largely known as "that band that did the Rocky movie soundtrack." And, as much as that was a blessing for them, I also wonder if it was a curse. I wonder if they became TOO closely associated with that, to the point where many people didn't see them as a "real" band, and just saw them as a band that had a soundtrack hit, making them feel more like a novelty act.
Obviously, they had other hit songs, too, but the constant marketing of Survivor with the tiger imagery (on their site and on several Greatest Hits compilations) seems like it could be a mistake. It might be better to somehow showcase that they are actually MORE than just the "rocky" band.

[Mikele]

To this day I believe had they allowed the use of footage from Rocky III in the "Eye of the Tiger" video, mixed with band shots, it would have done wonders for boosting the bands image and visibility....A. the video would have played more (it hardly did), as people could not get enough of that movie. B. So many more people would have seen and associated the band with the song.

I think that was a major, major mistake by FS. Instead they filmed a video in front of a trash bag and a circulating fan!

I see your point, but not sure I agree. If there's one thing people DO know about Survivor, it's "Eye Of The Tiger," regardless of whether the video got enough airplay or not. Even without Rocky III footage in the video, Survivor is largely known as "that band that did the Rocky movie soundtrack." And, as much as that was a blessing for them, I also wonder if it was a curse. I wonder if they became TOO closely associated with that, to the point where many people didn't see them as a "real" band, and just saw them as a band that had a soundtrack hit, making them feel more like a novelty act.
Obviously, they had other hit songs, too, but the constant marketing of Survivor with the tiger imagery (on their site and on several Greatest Hits compilations) seems like it could be a mistake. It might be better to somehow showcase that they are actually MORE than just the "rocky" band.

I have to agree with DavidWT. When I first bought the Rocky OST (in 1990), I'd never heard of the name Survivor before, and I then thought "oh this band does movie scores", since that song was so peculiar and tight in with the movie.
On the other side, Eyeof might still be right on the music video. Anyhow, I wasn't following in the early 80s when they won the Grammy so I can't really judge what happened and what went wrong

[Abitaman]

To this day I believe had they allowed the use of footage from Rocky III in the "Eye of the Tiger" video, mixed with band shots, it would have done wonders for boosting the bands image and visibility....A. the video would have played more (it hardly did), as people could not get enough of that movie. B. So many more people would have seen and associated the band with the song.

I think that was a major, major mistake by FS. Instead they filmed a video in front of a trash bag and a circulating fan!

I see your point, but not sure I agree. If there's one thing people DO know about Survivor, it's "Eye Of The Tiger," regardless of whether the video got enough airplay or not. Even without Rocky III footage in the video, Survivor is largely known as "that band that did the Rocky movie soundtrack." And, as much as that was a blessing for them, I also wonder if it was a curse. I wonder if they became TOO closely associated with that, to the point where many people didn't see them as a "real" band, and just saw them as a band that had a soundtrack hit, making them feel more like a novelty act.
Obviously, they had other hit songs, too, but the constant marketing of Survivor with the tiger imagery (on their site and on several Greatest Hits compilations) seems like it could be a mistake. It might be better to somehow showcase that they are actually MORE than just the "rocky" band.

I have to agree with DavidWT. When I first bought the Rocky OST (in 1990), I'd never heard of the name Survivor before, and I then thought "oh this band does movie scores", since that song was so peculiar and tight in with the movie.
On the other side, Eyeof might still be right on the music video. Anyhow, I wasn't following in the early 80s when they won the Grammy so I can't really judge what happened and what went wrong

I did not think that. Never heard of them before Rocky 3, but it made me want to find out more on this band, and that is what I did. Been a Survivor fan ever since. No one song would make me a fan of a group. Hits or just good album cuts, it doesn't matter. Rocky soundtrack got me listening to the bad. As I said before, i have not (or do not remember) seeing the video for the song. Vids, seem to ruin the song for me. I do not want their imagery in my mind, I want my own visual of the song, that is why I have never been a video fan. I do like concert footage/shows, but not a music video.

[Eyeof]

While I don't care about videos either, I think you guys are missing my point. The point is, like it our not 1982 was the onset of the MTV generation. A kick-ass video full of movie scenes (and the Band) similar to Burning Heart would have gave the BAND more exposure and made them more familiar. The video would have been played constantly on MTV and that can't hurt exposure. Maybe a few people would have thought the Beret was cool, i don't know and bought the EOTT album instead of the Rocky III soundtrack.

Just as you said, after that the band has to speak on its on. I had never heard of Survivor before that song and I was in the fifth grade and labored for two days whether to by the soundtrack or the album. My cousin advised me to get the album, plus I thought it had better cover art. I did and it was the album, not that song, not that movie that made me a fan. The album was kick ass and I've been hooked since. The song caught my attention, but the album made me a fan of Survivor.

All I'm saying is walking away from that type of exposure right at the onset of MTV is a bad, bad move. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 and they tried to do it right on "Burning Heart", but it never had the reach of Tiger.

If that video had been done right, millions more people would have been exposed to Survivor, to Dave Bickler, to Frankie, to JP etc. That kind of exposure can't even be bought in the entertainment business.

As for getting tied to the song or movie too much, that's up to the band to outshine. I don't buy that, it didn't happen to Kenny Loggins or Peter Centera or Huey Lewis and the News etc.

[Journey/Survivor]

I can't remember if it was during the Vital Signs tour, or the When Seconds Count tour, but around that time period, Saturday Night Live asked Survivor to perform on the show, and Frankie turned down the offer. Getting to play two songs on SNL would have been great exposure for the band.

And from what I've heard, I believe it was Budweiser, had offered Survivor huge money back in the 80's to have them record some commercials for Budweiser with the band playing EOTT. But again, they turned it down.

Scotti Brothers seemed to have a pretty good ad campaign during the EOTT tour, but then did virtually nothing to promote CITG.

[Slander]

I can't remember if it was during the Vital Signs tour, or the When Seconds Count tour, but around that time period, Saturday Night Live asked Survivor to perform on the show, and Frankie turned down the offer. Getting to play two songs on SNL would have been great exposure for the band.

And from what I've heard, I believe it was Budweiser, had offered Survivor huge money back in the 80's to have them record some commercials for Budweiser with the band playing EOTT. But again, they turned it down.

Who is the source? I've never heard FS ever mention any of the above nor anyone else for that matter. Secondly, Scotti Brothers was a friggin mess. I think this is well documented.

[Journey/Survivor]

I can't remember if it was during the Vital Signs tour, or the When Seconds Count tour, but around that time period, Saturday Night Live asked Survivor to perform on the show, and Frankie turned down the offer. Getting to play two songs on SNL would have been great exposure for the band.

And from what I've heard, I believe it was Budweiser, had offered Survivor huge money back in the 80's to have them record some commercials for Budweiser with the band playing EOTT. But again, they turned it down.

Who is the source? I've never heard FS ever mention any of the above nor anyone else for that matter.

Jamison.

[def]

It's a good point slander, but my feeling is that if your singer can't sing more than 5 or 6 songs....don't tour....

I was so mad the last time I saw def leppard....Elliot could not sing....if you can't perform, dont tour!

It's a tragedy with Elliott, isn't it Eyeof. The last time they played in Germany was in 2006 at a festival with Queensryche, Journey and Whitesnake. Coverdale and Elliott really sang weak. With Elliot I sometimes wonder whether it was just his way to sing all over the years what harmed his voice or whether it is his overall physical shape. Just yesterday I watched a live video from 1995 from the Slang tour. He nearly looked as fit and healthy as Collen, the fitness guru. Whereas 16 years later Phil astonishingly may be even fitter nowadays, Elliot looks just the opposite. I believe, he does an awful lot for the band. He's doing interviews, radio shows and so on all the time, but maybe some time should be invested in the personal constitution. They never have been a poster or a pin up band and that's been great and it is not necessary to be shirtless on stage like Campbell and Collen do often, but Elliot -other than in the early nineties - surely cannot afford to do that nowadays...

I still hope, that they produce on more milestone. The tracks 'Undefeated', 'Go' and 'Gotta Let Go' sounded very promising...

[Slander]

I can't remember if it was during the Vital Signs tour, or the When Seconds Count toure, but around that time period, Saturday Night Live asked Survivor to perform on the show, and Frankie turned down the offer. Getting to play two songs on SNL would have been great exposure for the band.

And from what I've heard, I believe it was Budweiser, had offered Survivor huge money back in the 80's to have them record some commercials for Budweiser with the band playing EOTT. But again, they turned it down.

Who is the source? I've never heard FS ever mention any of the above nor anyone else for that matter.

Jamison.

OK. Enuff said.

[Abitaman]

I have a vague memory of them playing on Memphis Channel 5 wrestling show in early 80's, right after this EOTT came out. Couple hundred and they rocked the place.

[Eyeof]

Did Jerry the King Lawlyer then come out and beat the hell out of frankie with a chair?

[Abitaman]

Did Jerry the King Lawlyer then come out and beat the hell out of frankie with a chair?

There is a name I haven't heard in a while, Jerry The King Lawlyer, Billy Superstar Dundee. That was wrestling....not this over the top stuff now.

But to answer your question, I do not know.

[Journey/Survivor]

Did Jerry the King Lawlyer then come out and beat the hell out of frankie with a chair?

There is a name I haven't heard in a while, Jerry The King Lawlyer, Billy Superstar Dundee. That was wrestling....not this over the top stuff now.

I'm partial to 1980's WWF and NWA. I am not at all into the stuff these days.

[AR]

Going to the show on Saturday.