Top 10 - Not Hits by Survivor

by **Eyeof** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:02 pm

Let's do our top-10 favorite Survivor songs that were not hits or releases. Here are mine.

1. Nothing Can Shake Me
2. Take You on a Saturday
3. Chevy Nights
4. I'm Not that Man Anymore
5. Silver Girl
6. Ever Since the World Began
7. I Never Stopped Loving You
8. Jackie Don't Go
9. Broken Promises
10. Too Hot To Sleep
11. Can't Let You go
12. Feels Like Love

So I went over...it's hard...

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:16 pm

Jesus, Eye.

Couldn't you have fit a couple MORE ballads on there?

by **Eyeof** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:47 pm

Now, Now Red...first of all...let me say how nice it is to have Joe Pa back....

Then let's see...

. Nothing Can Shake Me (starts like a Ballad, but come on man this is a bad ass song with great guitar and Bickler was never better)
2. Take You on a Saturday - Not a Ballad
3. Chevy Nights - Semi Ballad
4. I'm Not that Man Anymore - Yes Ballad in a way, but I love the guitar riff at the beginning....it's heavy....as his Bickler smoking vocals on NOOOOO
5. Silver Girl - Ballad, but I just love the guitar that starts this song....they were never better...
6. Ever Since the World Began - pure ballad...almost left it off...but i like it...
7. I Never Stopped Loving You - pure ballad, but maybe the most overated Survivor song ever
8. Jackie Don't Go - Not a Ballad
9. Broken Promises - Not a ballad
10. Too Hot To Sleep = Not a ballad
11. Can't Let You go - In the middle....but at least i didn't put in In good faith....

So where is your list?

by **Eyeof** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:50 pm

One thing Red, you say your favorite linup with the Vital Signs/WSC lineup of Marc, Stephen, Frankie, Jimi and JP...would you not agree that is the era where the band was practically one big ballad...or at the least very pop heavy...

I mean..compare Nothing Can Shake me or even Somewhere in America to say How much Love...hard to tell it's even the same band...

Don't get me wrong...VS and WSC are great albums and I could listen to them for a year straight, but...

by **montyollie** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:13 am

Easy Peasy:

I'm Not that Man Anymore
Santa Ana Winds
Jackie Don't Go
The One that Really Matters
Everlasting Love
Broken Promises
Man Against the World (was that one a hit?)
Runway Lights
One More Chance
Popular Girl

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:17 am

Eyeof wrote:One thing Red, you say your favorite linup with the Vital Signs/WSC lineup of Marc, Stephen, Frankie, Jimi and JP...would you not agree that is the era where the band was practically one big ballad...or at the least very pop heavy...

No, I would not agree. I think that is a lot of propoganda put out by Jamison rippers.
I think there's as much rock in the Jamo era as the Bickler. Some of them are more "polished," I guess but otherwise it's a misnomer.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:23 am

Eyeof wrote:Now, Now Red...first of all...let me say how nice it is to have Joe Pa back....

Then let's see...

. Nothing Can Shake Me (starts like a Ballad, but come on man this is a bad ass song with great guitar and Bickler was never better)
2. Take You on a Saturday - Not a Ballad
3. Chevy Nights - Semi Ballad
4. I'm Not that Man Anymore - Yes Ballad in a way, but I love the guitar riff at the beginning....it's heavy....as his Bickler smoking vocals on NOOOOO
5. Silver Girl - Ballad, but I just love the guitar that starts this song....they were never better...
6. Ever Since the World Began - pure ballad...almost left it off...but i like it...
7. I Never Stopped Loving You - pure ballad, but maybe the most overated Survivor song ever
8. Jackie Don't Go - Not a Ballad
9. Broken Promises - Not a ballad
10. Too Hot To Sleep = Not a ballad
11. Can't Let You go - In the middle....but at least i didn't put in In good faith....

So where is your list?

4 is too many for me but ballad-wise Silver Girl is terrific.
Mine:
The One That Really Matters
Hesitation Dance
Nothing Can Shake Me
Popular Girl
Broken Promises
Burning Bridges
Hungry Years
Fire Makes Steel
Oceans
Can't Let You Go (and I see nothing ballady about this. Love song yes, ballad no)

by **Lakrits** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:46 am

1. I See You In Everyone
2. Can´t Let You Go
3. Silver Girl
4. Broken Promises
5. Popular Girl
6. The One That Really Matters
7. Runaway Lights
8. Can´t Getcha Offa My Mind
9. Desperate Dreams
10. Rebel Son

Here´s My List, both Jamison and Bickler songs

by **Eyeof** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:02 am

Well I'm not a Jamison ripper, but I think it has a lot to do with the way the band went. Not as much Vital Signs, but WSC featured so much keyboard. Actually in all fairness it was mainly the songs that they released off that album...By the way I think JJ's voice was very capable of rocking...ie - Too Hot to Sleep and Can't Give it up....

You've made me desire to rethink my postions and go look at it song to song...

Vital Signs -

1. Can't Hold Back - Very close to a ballad and pretty pop. Was a pop hit. I love this song...the guitar at the first...great stuff...
2. High On You - The definition of pop...a hit, but in no way one of my favorites...
3. First Night - Good song...POP
4. The Search is Over - Very pop, very ballad...
5. Broken Promises - This song rocks...
6. Popular Girl - It rocks some...put pretty pop
7. Everlasting - Pop Ballad, but strong song...
8. It's The Singer Not The Song - Near filler...pop
9. I See You In Everyone - Good song...great song on the Live album...

WSC

1. How Much Love - The most pop they ever got....hit, but not one of my favs..
2. Keep It Right Here - Good song..but pop
3. Is This Love - See How Much Love
4. Man Against the World - Great song...but a ballad....
5. Rebel Son - I like this song...but it's not power rock...
6. Oceans - Okay song...word is Empires was a throwaway in the early stages of writing this song...or that's what Frankie said...
7. When Seconds Count - Okay
8. Backstreet Love Affair - Great song...closes thing, along with song 10 to rocking on the album...
9. In Good Faith - BALLAD and POP with a capital B and P
10. Can't Let You Go - Rocks...

I wasn't even saying they did anything wrong...

I mean compare 38 Special's late 70's stuff like Rockin Into the Night, to their late 80's only number one hit Second Chance...music changed...

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:09 am

Eyeof wrote:Well I'm not a Jamison ripper

Sorry, bro I wanted to also post that I know you're a down-the-middle guy not a Jamo ripper.

the bottom line is I can't stand ballads and I ripped you for having 4 ballads on your list.

by **Eyeof** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:20 am

Hesitation Dance...Great song...the more i think abouit it the Eye album rocked...

by **Eyeof** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:20 am

Hesitation Dance...Great song...the more i think abouit it the Eye album rocked...

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:38 am

Eyeof wrote:Hesitation Dance...Great song...the more i think abouit it the Eye album rocked...

Indeedio. Fuckin EYE is so strong an album that the brilliant, quintissential title track might be about the 5th or 6th best song on the record.

by **Eyeof** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:34 am

I'd go as far as to say that it might be the most overlooked album in the history of rock...The fact it's not more regarded just amazes me...I mean it had the title track going for it....and that got people to buy it and listen (like me). Man I was in the fifth grade and I fell in love with that album from front to back...to this day, I can still listen and listen....

With that strong an album with that strong a single, I bet if they had been on a label that new how to promote, there is no telling how big this band could have been....

by **kgdjpubs** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:14 am

1. Santa Ana Winds
2. Summer Nights (the long version)
3. Runway Lights
4. Ever Since the World Began
5. First Night (live version--esp the mix on Indianapolis 1984....much more rock and much less pop)
6. Desperate Dreams
7. Man Against the World
8. When Seconds Count
9. Chevy nights
10. Feels Like Love

very close (just to up the rock ante!)....Can't Let You Go, Burning Bridges, Nothing Can Shake Me, Didn't Know It Was Love

as far as the Jamison-era pop discussion goes, part of it is the songs were definitely more pop. That being said, the production makes the When Seconds Count album sound considerably more pop than the songs are. For the Bickler-era, the production was guitar-dominated with keyboards. For Jamison, keyboard-dominated with guitars. You can throw the pop/rock balance seriously one way or the other with production. Too Hot to Sleep goes a LONG way to evening the balance with the most-rocking album since Eye of the Tiger.

by **survivorfan2005** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:56 am

what?!?! no Fire Makes Steel or Seconds Away? not even Talkin' Bout Love?

by **montyollie** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:45 am

survivorfan2005 wrote:what?!?! no Fire Makes Steel or Seconds Away? not even Talkin' Bout Love?

Fire Makes Steel landed on JoePa's list!

I thought about it, but the only one from Reach that made it on my list was "One More Chance". Man, I love that song. I know Jamo was quoted as saying Seconds Away was his favourite track off the album, but I'm not crazy about it.

As for Talkin Bout Love... I'm really still trying to accept Frankie as a lead vocalist. It's weird. Not bad, just weird. LOL

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:30 am

montyollie wrote:
survivorfan2005 wrote:what?!?! no Fire Makes Steel or Seconds Away? not even Talkin' Bout Love?

Fire Makes Steel landed on JoePa's list!

It did indeed, and it belongs. Filthy badass song.

Hon mention from Reach was Nevertheless....relly digging that tune a lot anymore.

"The way that you roll is anyone's guess."

by **patrick Colin** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:07 pm

Nothing can shake me
Rebel girl
Runway light
The one that really matters
Jackie don’t go
Broken promises
Oceans
Burning bridges
Hungry Years
Talkin’ bout love

by IC » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:46 pm

I must put 'em into alphapetic order coz that kinda gems cannot be rated!

American Heartbeat
Backstreet Love Affair
Broken Promises
Desperate Dreams
Half-Life
Oceans
Seconds Away
Slander
Some Else Sleepless Night
The Whole Town's Talkin'

IMO The Whole Town's Talkin' is the first time they found that pumping, street Sound.

by **montyollie** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00 am

Hmmm. Several people have picked "Oceans". I haven't heard it yet. I don't have WSC yet... just downloaded the hits. I'll be buying that one next.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:08 am

montyollie wrote:Hmmm. Several people have picked "Oceans". I haven't heard it yet. I don't have WSC yet... just downloaded the hits. I'll be buying that one next.

Incredible song...I know, and respect that Eye thinks it's too poppy but I love it.
Killer guitars, maybe the pop label comes from it being a little 80s keyboardy at the outset.

Lyrical message about trying to rescue a relationship going wrong works good.
Chorus kicks ass.

by **survivorfan2005** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:57 am

IC wrote:I must put 'em into alphapetic order coz that kinda gems cannot be rated!

American Heartbeat...

Nice to have our stations theme song... lol

I don't know if i told you all or not but I have been working with band to try and get them record a new version of the song w/ Rob for our station. I hope I can get them too.. it'll be most excellent.

BTW: I still have no idea why they don't play songs like "Oceans" and "Backstreet Love Affair" live... Those songs rock!

by **montyollie** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:50 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
montyollie wrote:Hmmm. Several people have picked "Oceans". I haven't heard it yet. I don't have WSC yet... just downloaded the hits. I'll be buying that one next.

Incredible song...I know, and respect that Eye thinks it's too poppy but I love it.
Killer guitars, maybe the pop label comes from it being a little 80s keyboardy at the outset.

Lyrical message about trying to rescue a relationship going wrong works good.
Chorus kicks ass.

OH YEAH!! COME TO MAMA!

JK. Seriously though, that song kicks some SERIOUS ass. I love it. It's in my top ten non-hits for sure. I will knock out Popular Girl to make room for it. No wait. Jackie Don't Go.

Damn this is hard.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:27 pm

Oceans is immovable for me.
Like Mount Rushmore of the top songs, it's that fuckin good.

I'm here, Mama now show me what to do

by **lukather4prez** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:55 pm

1) Nothing can shake me
2) the one that really matters
3) I've never stopped loving you
4) broken promises
5) hearts a lonely hunter
6) love is on my side
7) too hot to sleep

fire makes steel
9) oceans
10) innocence of love

shit alot of ballads but I luv some of the rockers too. its hard to say my top 10 changes so much but I can't just do the 10 let's make top 15 or top 20 outside the singles /hits

Rebel girl was a local hit as was desperate dreams i didn't count the singles as they were played so these are the non hit list.

top 20 I'd add these for sure but like I said my top 10/15 will change based upon my m ood.

11) Backstreet Love Affair
12) Someone Else's Sleepless Nights
13) Santa Anna Winds
14) Take You On A Saturday
15) Burnin Bridges
16) No Boundries
17) Can't Get You Off Of My Mind
18) She's A Star
19) Never The Less (1994 faster higher key verison)
20) Slander

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