New Post From Robin 3-6-08

[Slander]

Survivor seems to be alive and well and still performing shows. I realize this is much to the dismay of both Red and Eye. Robin posted this note about the recent show at Borderfest in Hidalgo, Texas. By the way besides being supremely talented Robin is all class too! Here goes:

3/5/08 - Hidalgo TX! Thank You

Last Friday Survivor had the best time playing in front of a great audience at The Borderfest In Hidalgo Texas. Thank you all for coming out to the show, and especially for the kindest words expressed to ME from Hiam & Richard Castillo.

It is YOU who inspires Hiam, (can I call you that)? and your precious son Richard. God watches over all of us but pays extra special attention to those whom he feels will make a difference when it comes to sharing his love.

You have a special purpose in life dear lady.
“God Bless you always”
Gratefully your
Robin


-- Robin McAuley

[Red13JoePa]

Scintillating.

Indicative of a band ON THE VERGE!!!!

[Slander]

Scintillating.

Indicative of a band ON THE VERGE!!!!

Indicative of a band and it's members that love their fans. Indicative of decent people in the band that should be appreciated not trashed.

[Red13JoePa]

Touching.

No word on how the studio recording that Frankie, who doesn't lie according to you, said would be commencing in late 2006 is coming, I see.

[Slander]

Touching.

No word on how the studio recording that Frankie, who doesn't lie according to you, said would be commencing in late 2006 is coming, I see.

First we have no clue, none about what he and Robin have worked on. We'll see. But we do know that FS skills will be on the Mecca album and I'm very excited about that.

[Red13JoePa]

I was right about the news of Grove rolling on to greener pastures blooming with Money and I'm going out on another limb.

I have good reason to believe (based on information) there are NO plans (then, now, or in the future) for a new Survivor album.

Now, scold me to "know my shit" again. Please.

[jrnyman28]

Now Red, we have at least 8 years before we can say you were right!

[Slander]

I was right about the news of Grove rolling on to greener pastures blooming with Money and I'm going out on another limb.

I have good reason to believe (based on information) there are NO plans (then, now, or in the future) for a new Survivor album.

Now, scold me to "know my shit" again. Please.

Well share with us. Please.

[Red13JoePa]

I just did.

nothing new, ever. Never were plans.

Shared again. I'm not betraying sources as they wish to remain anon.

Believe it or don't.


But J28 is right.

The half-life is 9 years based on the last few new releases so you can keep the flame alight until like, 2017 before admitting I am right.

[Slander]

I just did.

nothing new, ever. Never were plans.

Shared again. I'm not betraying sources as they wish to remain anon.

Believe it or don't.


But J28 is right.

The half-life is 9 years based on the last few new releases so you can the flame alight until like, 2017 before admitting I am right.

Nice. I love the sourcing. I would be fired for this type of sourcing. We'll see. I will take you at your workd though Red. So now that we know there won't be an album; Why bitch about it since you are in the know? Why carry on over and over again. If you know the definitive answer why have an expectation?

[jrnyman28]

I think "we" could complain about the "no new music" because "we" were told there WOULD be new music. So "we" were apparantly lied to. And did Robin know this when he signed on? I wonder why someone would sign with a band if there wasn't any plans to be CREATING something.

[Slander]

I think "we" could complain about the "no new music" because "we" were told there WOULD be new music. So "we" were apparantly lied to. And did Robin know this when he signed on? I wonder why someone would sign with a band if there wasn't any plans to be CREATING something.

Lied to? Isn't that stretching it a bit. We all in life intend to do things and circumstances change. So you, RED, and Eye I case are the only people in the world who have intended to do something and have always followed up. Congrats on your perfection. My guess is that you aren't perfect and there have been times you have fallen short. Does that make you a liar? I don't think so.

[Red13JoePa]

I just did.

nothing new, ever. Never were plans.

Shared again. I'm not betraying sources as they wish to remain anon.

Believe it or don't.


But J28 is right.

The half-life is 9 years based on the last few new releases so you can keep the flame alight until like, 2017 before admitting I am right.

Nice. I love the sourcing. I would be fired for this type of sourcing. We'll see. I will take you at your workd though Red. So now that we know there won't be an album; Why bitch about it since you are in the know? Why carry on over and over again. If you know the definitive answer why have an expectation?

I'm a nobody posting on a board, not an accredited newsservice.
As such I can reveal as much or as little about how I know what's behind my postings.
And if it WERE a real news item, so what?
I see TONS of pieces EVERY SINGLE day with anonymous sources.

[jrnyman28]

There is a difference. I do not know what RM signed on for but I am saying that I would find it odd if there had not been discussions of creating new music. That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

[Slander]

That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

Oh here we go. You haven't learned the lesson of the journey board. You talk about how it wasn't fair to trash Augeri and now we are trashing Robin and his character! That's what you call cleaning up 28?

[Red13JoePa]

Who has trashed robin or his character?

Many have said they don't really care for the fit (I'm still waiting and seeing, pending the evidently never-coming new music and increased touring), still others have said (me and EyeOf among the rest) that he sounds like Dubrow.

I've seen no one trash the guy, least of all Journeyman28 who's very down-the-line objective.

He was merely wondering aloud why McCauley who by all accounts had a decent living already would sign up for a gig that promises no new music and 30 gigs a year MAX, unless he was promised OTHERWISE when he signed up.

[jrnyman28]

That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

Oh here we go. You haven't learned the lesson of the journey board. You talk about how it wasn't fair to trash Augeri and now we are trashing Robin and his character! That's what you call cleaning up 28?

Where am I trashing RM? Where am I trashing his character? I am not trying to clean anything up, I am asking you to quit wasting your time trying to clean anything up.

[IngoK]

There is a difference. I do not know what RM signed on for but I am saying that I would find it odd if there had not been discussions of creating new music. That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

A co-operation between Robin and Survivor makes only sense when they create new music. Just for touring? No!

[Slander]

There is a difference. I do not know what RM signed on for but I am saying that I would find it odd if there had not been discussions of creating new music. That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

A co-operation between Robin and Survivor makes only sense when they create new music. Just for touring? No!

Why? It does make sense because Frankie and Robin had worked together before and created music before. So why doesn't taht make sense?

[jrnyman28]

A co-operation between Robin and Survivor makes only sense when they create new music. Just for touring? No!

Why? It does make sense because Frankie and Robin had worked together before and created music before. So why doesn't taht make sense?

Why? Because they have a drastic difference on vocals now. If they are only going to tour than they needed to stay withing the boundaries of their catalog and Robin is not that. With Robin on vocals Survivor needs to create new music to showcase the new vocals, not to screw up everyone's memories of what the songs used to sound like!

Yes, RM and FS have a history together, a fact I learned on this board. That illustrates why it is irrelevant to the current situation...hardly anyone knows this!

[IngoK]

There is a difference. I do not know what RM signed on for but I am saying that I would find it odd if there had not been discussions of creating new music. That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

A co-operation between Robin and Survivor makes only sense when they create new music. Just for touring? No!

Why? It does make sense because Frankie and Robin had worked together before and created music before. So why doesn't taht make sense?

Hiring a lead singer who is well known worldwide and writing in an official press release "the band hope to release a new record in 2007" makes only sense when something more is coming than touring only...

[Slander]

There is a difference. I do not know what RM signed on for but I am saying that I would find it odd if there had not been discussions of creating new music. That is what ARTISTS do, they create. If I were to enter a band, I KNOW I would ask about new music and it WOULD be a point to my accepting the position if offered. If I found out later that there was no chance of creating and recording new music I would definately reevaluate my situation. Especially if I were someone like RM who DOES have name-recognition and likely would have opportunities to work with others. And I would consider that a LIE.

If there is no new music than what is the point? Did he need the money and security that bad that he needed a band like Survivor to provide him with "regular" income? (Although I agree that the gigs we hear about would not add up to that much).

A co-operation between Robin and Survivor makes only sense when they create new music. Just for touring? No!

Why? It does make sense because Frankie and Robin had worked together before and created music before. So why doesn't taht make sense?

Once gain, the press released said hopes to release a new album. Secondly it makes perfect sense that FS would hiring Robin because they already have a working relationship and he was the best person available for the job. These are bogus arguments. What do you care if they release a new album? I can only imagine you guys bashing it. They have recorded together before but yet your silence is deafening on "Business As Usual".

Hiring a lead singer who is well known worldwide and writing in an official press release "the band hope to release a new record in 2007" makes only sense when something more is coming than touring only...

Once gain, the press released said hopes to release a new album. Secondly it makes perfect sense that FS would hiring Robin because they already have a working relationship and he was the best person available for the job. These are bogus arguments. What do you care if they release a new album? I can only imagine you guys bashing it. They have recorded together before but yet your silence is deafening on "Business As Usual".

[Slander]

I just did.

nothing new, ever. Never were plans.

Shared again. I'm not betraying sources as they wish to remain anon.

Believe it or don't.


But J28 is right.

The half-life is 9 years based on the last few new releases so you can keep the flame alight until like, 2017 before admitting I am right.

Axe is your source Red? Really.

[Red13JoePa]

No

[jrnyman28]

Once gain, the press released said hopes to release a new album. Secondly it makes perfect sense that FS would hiring Robin because they already have a working relationship and he was the best person available for the job. These are bogus arguments. What do you care if they release a new album? I can only imagine you guys bashing it. They have recorded together before but yet your silence is deafening on "Business As Usual".

Sure it makes sense for Frankie to want Robin, but it doesn't make sense that Robin would accept with no plans for new material. WHAT would stand in the way of the band creating new material? If the "hope" to release new material what is stopping them. Nowadays you don't need a record label. I am certain Frankie has a home recording studio and if he doesn't RM likely does. And if the material is good SOMEONE will wnat to release it, or at least help with distribution. So what is stopping them? Legal issues? Chemistry? Are they just too damn busy?

And please quit generalizing. I would not "bash" new material unless it was terrible! And that deafening silence is in your ears because I have repeatedly stated that my view of RM's solo work was "meh". But since you don't know me very well, let me tell you that I am a fan of RM's from his MSG days.

[Slander]

And that deafening silence is in your ears because I have repeatedly stated that my view of RM's solo work was "meh". But since you don't know me very well, let me tell you that I am a fan of RM's from his MSG days.

Okay fair enough. I thought Business As Usual was a very strong effort. As far as a new album, I like you and everyone else would like new material but it's time WE all face the fact that bands like Survivor don't make money releasing new albums. It's simple cost and benefits analysis.

[jrnyman28]

but it's time WE all face the fact that bands like Survivor don't make money releasing new albums. It's simple cost and benefits analysis.

1) It shouldn't be about the money. You would think it would be about the music.

2) Bands like Survivor make their money touring. So why doesn't Survivor actually tour? They gig, sporadically, without any real promo.

[Slander]

but it's time WE all face the fact that bands like Survivor don't make money releasing new albums. It's simple cost and benefits analysis.

1) It shouldn't be about the money. You would think it would be about the music.

2) Bands like Survivor make their money touring. So why doesn't Survivor actually tour? They gig, sporadically, without any real promo.

Maybe Guys like FS and Robin have other stuff going on too. Which they do!!!! It is a testament to their talents that they are involved in other things not just Survivor.

[jrnyman28]

but it's time WE all face the fact that bands like Survivor don't make money releasing new albums. It's simple cost and benefits analysis.

1) It shouldn't be about the money. You would think it would be about the music.

2) Bands like Survivor make their money touring. So why doesn't Survivor actually tour? They gig, sporadically, without any real promo.

Maybe Guys like FS and Robin have other stuff going on too. Which they do!!!! It is a testament to their talents that they are involved in other things not just Survivor.

So where is their commitment? Where are their priorities? And what does that have to do with "us" 'facing the fact that bands like Survivor don't amke money releasing new albums'? You are deflecting again.

I am glad RM and FS continue to work on other things...THAT shows me they have a desire to still be CREATIVE. By why can't they be creative IN Survivor?

BTW, I forgot what else RM is working on? I know FS is involved with Mecca.

[Slander]

So where is their commitment? Where are their priorities? And what does that have to do with "us" 'facing the fact that bands like Survivor don't amke money releasing new albums'? You are deflecting again.

I am glad RM and FS continue to work on other things...THAT shows me they have a desire to still be CREATIVE. By why can't they be creative IN Survivor?

BTW, I forgot what else RM is working on? I know FS is involved with Mecca.

First of all FS and Robin's commitment are too themselves and they are free to express themselves musically any way they want to without having to answer to you or anyone else. Robin is in the band Bleed based in Los Angeles.