Which version of Survivor would you rather see?

[Eyeof]

I for one do not believe that any one of these are any more Survivor than the other. Just because one person thinks they are the band or are legally called the band, doesn't mean it's that way in the fans hearts. What would you be most excited about going to see this Friday night in your town?

[IngoK]

Jamison and Bickler together would be the dream team. With or without Frankie? Good question.

[Joe Vana]

I for one do not believe that any one of these are any more Survivor than the other. Just because one person thinks they are the band or are legally called the band, doesn't mean it's that way in the fans hearts. What would you be most excited about going to see this Friday night in your town?

I don't get it....David carl did ONE show years ago....I Love David...worked with him for a few years....but....this sound like somebody from Indiana trying to bait the trap.....

Love David....but let's be realistic.....

JV

[bulldog]

I am a huge fan of Jimi & Jim . It is awesome that they are working together again . It is a dream come for me.. I would love to hear Peterik & Jamison do classic Survivor songs acoustic on a cd.
The public is very fickle .. You have to be out there doing it or they forget you .
I have said this many times.. Business is business and in reality it is all about money and success. They keyboard driven pop songs made them stand out and that is what I loved about them .
Peterik & Jamison love what they do and in the youtube.com videos of them performing together it inspires me to see the real deal .
That is my opinion ..

[Joe Vana]

:D I am a huge fan of Jimi & Jim . It is awesome that they are working together again . It is a dream come for me.. I would love to hear Peterik & Jamison do classic Survivor songs acoustic on a cd.
The public is very fickle .. You have to be out there doing it or they forget you .
I have said this many times.. Business is business and in reality it is all about money and success. They keyboard driven pop songs made them stand out and that is what I loved about them .
Peterik & Jamison love what they do and in the youtube.com videos of them performing together it inspires me to see the real deal .
That is my opinion ..

I agree with you Bulldog..........

[Red13JoePa]

I for one do not believe that any one of these are any more Survivor than the other. Just because one person thinks they are the band or are legally called the band, doesn't mean it's that way in the fans hearts. What would you be most excited about going to see this Friday night in your town?

I don't get it....David carl did ONE show years ago....I Love David...worked with him for a few years....but....this sound like somebody from Indiana trying to bait the trap.....

Love David....but let's be realistic.....

JV

At the risk of running my post count up and as such appearing as the mere fan I am instead of someone "in the industry" I think EyeOf's point may very well have been that as far as Survivor fans are is concerned perhaps the one who treats himself as the most indispensible is perhaps the most expendable.

Do remember, we're not talking about legalese and publishing rights here, but what Survivor fans would rather see if given the choice beteween different hypothetical permutations of Survivor.
So far the results are speaking, too.

[Eyeof]

Yeah, my point with that really had nothing to do witih David Carl, other than he played descent on that show. It had to do with, is it really less Survior because Frankie isnt' there, than it is if JP or Dave or JJ or whatever you liking, isn't there...I just don't think so. I can't buy this deal that if Frankie is there, it's Survivor no matter what. Not legally...but in the heart of the fans...

[Joe Vana]

Yeah, my point with that really had nothing to do witih David Carl, other than he played descent on that show. It had to do with, is it really less Survior because Frankie isnt' there, than it is if JP or Dave or JJ or whatever you liking, isn't there...I just don't think so. I can't buy this deal that if Frankie is there, it's Survivor no matter what. Not legally...but in the heart of the fans...

Good Point....

In me eye, I am sure is different than your eye....no pun intended EyeOf...

My preference I will keep private.....but Frankie is in there for sure.....

I am sure if they hit the road with the 1985 line up ALL Survivor fans would be happy.....I just wonder why that was not one of the choices, I am sure it's because whoever put it up knew that would get almost every vote.....but we know that's not in the cards....reguardless of the reasons....

Have a Great Day!!

JV

[Red13JoePa]

I am sure if they hit the road with the 1985 line up ALL Survivor fans would be happy

'85 PLUS Bickler. Both singers.

You IMAGINE the buzz that would drum up?

[Joe Vana]

I am sure if they hit the road with the 1985 line up ALL Survivor fans would be happy

'85 PLUS Bickler. Both singers.

You IMAGINE the buzz that would drum up?

Would be cool....but Dave made more than any of em over the past few years.....commercials pay a ton, and he had dozens of them....and he doesn't have to deal with travelling and all the touring crap and band "stuff"....Dave wins in that way for sure....

JV

[Slander]

Yeah, my point with that really had nothing to do witih David Carl, other than he played descent on that show. It had to do with, is it really less Survior because Frankie isnt' there, than it is if JP or Dave or JJ or whatever you liking, isn't there...I just don't think so. I can't buy this deal that if Frankie is there, it's Survivor no matter what. Not legally...but in the heart of the fans...

Who is sponsoring this poll? Pravda newspaper? Bias is being taken to a whole new level. The poll without Frankie included in the original line up is a sham. Frankie is critical to the Survivor sound in studio and on the stage. You don't have TO LIKE the guy to realize that. Objectivity be damned!

[Eyeof]

Slander...are you talking again?

Obviously the point of the pole was to see if people thought it was anymore Survivor without Dave, or JP or JJ etc, anymore than without Frankie?

You say Frankie has to be there, well I say JP does as well, as so do a lof of others. I think Peterik is just as critical and that is why Reach is so bad...it's not really why they sound so bad now, that's mostly Robin's vocals...

In some ways, for what I fell in love with in the band, Dave's gritty vocals were everybit as critical as JP or Sullivan...We are all entitled to our opinions...

Start your on pole if you don't like it...

Again, obvioulsy we would all prefer the original lineup to any of the above options...

Although the JJ and Dave lineup would be great...

[Slander]

Slander...are you talking again?


You say Frankie has to be there, well I say JP does as well, as so do a lof of others. I think Peterik is just as critical and that is why Reach is so bad...it's not really why they sound so bad now, that's mostly Robin's vocals...

In some ways, for what I fell in love with in the band, Dave's gritty vocals were everybit as critical as JP or Sullivan...We are all entitled to our opinions...

Eye I'm not leaving the board. I'm just not going to get into a debate over who I am or what I'm about. I don't need to justify myself to anybody. As far as the band is concerened I have said 1000 times that I agree with you about Dave. That will be always be Survivor to me. Premonition is a classic! It was friggin' magic. Maybe it's because FS and JP were so raw at what they were doing. I don't know. But the sound on that album is very unique. I can't liken in to anything else I have heard. Yes JP is essential to the sound as well. You and I share more common ground than you think on this subject. By the way I think Robin does a really nice job live. I'm interested to hear new music just like you.

[Slander]

. I think Peterik is just as critical and that is why Reach is so bad....

REACH is not one of my favorite albums at all but I think most would say it is far from bad. In fact when it came out I think general reaction was very favorable.

[Eyeof]

i thought it was bland...as Andrew once said...lackluster...

I thought all of the FMS remakes were worse...

Funny thing is, i don't have the distain for Home that most of you do...actually didn't mind it...

[Slander]

i thought it was bland...as Andrew once said...lackluster...

I thought all of the FMS remakes were worse...

Funny thing is, i don't have the distain for Home that most of you do...actually didn't mind it...

Didn't Andrew give it an 80 plus? I'm not sure that's lackluster. Some of the songs were lackluster. I agree with you there. There were some strong efforts on efforts. I dislike home immensely, having said that I appreciate the band trying to do something different. Gimme The Word and TBL are great tracks. Yes I said GREAT.

[Eyeof]

Come on now..Stair Way to Heaven, Freebird and Jailhouse Rock are Great...

Talkin' Bout Love...are you serious?

[Red13JoePa]

i thought it was bland...as Andrew once said...lackluster...

I thought all of the FMS remakes were worse...

Funny thing is, i don't have the distain for Home that most of you do...actually didn't mind it...

Well I hate all ballades so I won't comment on Home.

But I agree about the FMS tracks on Reach EXCEPT FMS itself.
The Reach version's leaner, meaner, meanders less, is tighter, seems more focused and has more, better guitars.

Bickler's voc on the demo is superb, though.

[Slander]

Come on now..Stair Way to Heaven, Freebird and Jailhouse Rock are Great...

Talkin' Bout Love...are you serious?

First of all as a former dj Stairway is no longer great! LOL. I played it too many times and never need to hear it again. It's all relative my man. TBL is a great pop song. I will say great. Just like I think Sound Of Home and Gone are GREAT POL songs for what they are.

[Slander]

Bickler's voc on the demo is superb, though.

Agreed. It's one of those songs that you can tell was written with him in mind. Friggin awesome.

[Red13JoePa]

TBL is a great pop song.

Pop with some rock, too.

freakin love the monster chorus. That, Nevertheless, Reach and Fire Makes Steel made my ipod from Reach.

[Eyeof]

well that the good thing about 80 gig...it can all go on there...

funny thing here is if Bickler were still in this band the three of us would all be on the same side going on and on about how kick ass it all is...

that's a turning point in this band my men...

But to Joe's point...he's the one that has it really figured out...

Joe, just in percentage, how much more do you think Bickler makes doing his deal, than we would soley bing in Survivor...

Just percentages i remind you...

[Slander]

TBL is a great pop song.

Pop with some rock, too.

freakin love the monster chorus. That, Nevertheless, Reach and Fire Makes Steel made my ipod from Reach.

TBL is a clear illustration for me of what the Greatness of FS is all about. It's hook heaven man.

[Red13JoePa]

Joe, just in percentage, how much more do you think Bickler makes doing his deal, than we would soley bing in Survivor...

Just percentages i remind you...

Surprised to hear that, too.

Granted the ads prolly pay very well but I figured Frankie's making some JACK playing the shows (albeit not as much as they can be) and royalties.... I've heard FS has done MIGHTY well, doesn't really need to worry about coin the next 25 years or so

[Slander]

well that the good thing about 80 gig...it can all go on there...

funny thing here is if Bickler were still in this band the three of us would all be on the same side going on and on about how kick ass it all is...

that's a turning point in this band my men...

I agree but I will say this: I think I Can't Hold Back is one of the most underrated AOR songs of all times. There are elements of rock and pop. There are hooks all over the place. It is a great RECORD. I think it would have been even bigger had it not been the first single off of VS. I really believe that. Just my opinion.

[Eyeof]

I'm with you, but keep in mind from my understanding VS was written mostly with Dave in mind...there is even that rumor of VS demos with Bickler...I'd sale the house for those...lol...

One thing Slander, I've heard you say that you aren't a fan of Bicker on those (I think I have), but if you go and listen to say the '93 Boot from LaGrange, man he masters that stuff...

High on You is twice the song and almost rocks with Dave...I love "I Can't Hold Back" from that show and "Burning Bridges" and "Deperate Dreams"...

But the real surprise is Dave on "The Serach is Over"...wow...

Slander if you haven't taken a close listen to that, go back...He NAILS it...Truely awesome...

I will say this, that is early on...I've noticed in the boots that after around '95 or so his voice starts t wain a bit...

I have a boot from '99 and I saw them in '99 and it's not nearly as strong...

[Red13JoePa]

I Can't Hold Back is one of the most underrated AOR songs of all times. There are elements of rock and pop. There are hooks all over the place.

Peterik/Sullivan really knew how to build poppy hooks within the framework rock/rocknroll from Vital Signs on.

ICHB/PopularGirl/Broken Promises etc.

With DB it was straight rock, not bad by an means, just different.

[Slander]

With DB it was straight rock, not bad by an means, just different.

I liked the gritty sound DB brought. I miss it. I don't think any group truly duplicated that sound. It was uniquely Survivor. Dave could sing a balland too! Damn Runway Lights always brings a tear to the eye. A truly underrated song in the S-catalog.

[FalconONE]

The Goin' The Distance Tour '82 lineup was so great too

Peterik, Sullivan, Bickler, Droubay and Ellis

I'm SO sure one day.. Jim and frank will do something..
maybe not another album
maybe not a tour
maybe not anotehr Survivor lineup

but something...like an acoustic set,
the two guys on acoustic guitars and playin and singin' the songs they co-wrote.. their songs...

Maybe there's still tensions... maybe not
They played together for nearly 20 years (form the cold winter in chicago 1977 to a concert in 1996 in illinois I think)
But what I'm sure is that you theses guys just CAN'T be enemies.

Look at Sting and Summers, Art & Garfunkel, Page and Plant, McCartney and Starr,....

I like McCauley, he has a good voice. Really.. A NICE guy
Jimi Jamison put the band in the same level as Journey and Styx in '85-'86 with is STRONG vocal (Youngs fans still don't believe that Survivor had Full Arenas performances in the Vital Sign's Tour)

but David Bickler had what Jim and Frank still call the "Street" voice.

I like the pop-rock ear of Survivor with Jamo.
But I prefer the original sound of Survivor.. the Street sound. A powerful one.

Bring back Peterik? I'm not sure..

Well If Frank find a way to bring back peterik..
it must be like Peterik and Sullivan on guitars.

Frank on lead guitars, Jim on rythm guitars, Billy on bass, Marc on drum.. and a great keyboardist.. like Christian Cullen from Pride Of Lions and.. David Bickler.

I think Jimi can do a great solo career now. he's a legend..
I think that Toby is ready for a solo album too.

That's it folks,
no hard feelings,
only my opinions on the subjects.


The Habs are ready for the CUP



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[Joe Vana]

well that the good thing about 80 gig...it can all go on there...

funny thing here is if Bickler were still in this band the three of us would all be on the same side going on and on about how kick ass it all is...

that's a turning point in this band my men...

But to Joe's point...he's the one that has it really figured out...

Joe, just in percentage, how much more do you think Bickler makes doing his deal, than we would soley bing in Survivor...

Just percentages i remind you...

The Allstate commercial I sang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsjTbCcbsWY netted me a bunch...Dave has done dozens....now, mine was a national ad played like crazy....during baseball world series, all nascar ect. I would say Dave makes 5 to 6 times or more than what he would doing Survivor alone...even in their hey day....he was the singer but Frankie and JP got the royalties for writing ALL the material....he recieved mechanicals, but that is not nearly the same.....not nearly...

Dave has a cash cow on his hands......mooooooo

And it could not have happened to a nicer guy.....

JV