1982 What was better .. Survivor or Eddie Money

[bulldog]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

[MarcelJordan]

That's quite a statement. For me EOTT record is the BEST rock record of them ALL (well with the exception of Premonition!)

Never heard of Eddie's album.

[Slander]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

[Red13JoePa]

The proof is in the sales and the singles.

Indeed.
Survivor had 6 times as many hits and their biggest album ever when Jamison came aboard.
Right?

[bulldog]

Eddie's No Control was a top 20 album . That was back in the AOR days and Think I'm In Love was the crossover tune .. Shakin' & Think I'm In Love are played just as much today on classic rock radio as back then .

Oh let me say this without Sly Stallone there would have been no Eye Of The Tiger !

The Money Man rules..

Back in the early 80's AOR was the king not top 40 radio.

[Slander]

Eddie's No Control was a top 20 album . That was back in the AOR days and Think I'm In Love was the crossover tune .. Shakin' & Think I'm In Love are played just as much today on classic rock radio as back then .

Oh let me say this without Sly Stallone there would have been no Eye Of The Tiger !

The Money Man rules..

Back in the early 80's AOR was the king not top 40 radio.

My god do you make this stuff up as you go Bulldog? I love the Money Man! He's a legend. No Control hit exactly number 20 on the charts! It had 1 song hit the top 20! Yet you're acting as if the damn record was THRILLER!

EOTT was a plantinum record and single! It also had the TOP TWENTY hit American Heartbeat! The album that paved the way for this was PREMONITION!

The Money Man has had an amazing catalogue of hits but if you are going to compare the popularity of No Control with EYE OF THE TIGER you are playing a losing hand!

[Slander]

Survivor had 6 times as many hits and their biggest album ever when Jamison came aboard.
Right?

6 times as many hits Red? The Bickler era had 3 top 40 hits and their biggest selling album and single in EOTT. The Jamison era had 5 top 40 hits and not a number 1.

[MarcelJordan]

Survivor had 6 times as many hits and their biggest album ever when Jamison came aboard.
Right?

6 times as many hits Red? The Bickler era had 3 top 40 hits and their biggest selling album and single in EOTT. The Jamison era had 5 top 40 hits and not a number 1.

Bickler was also a Grammy winner (yes, it was the VOCALS point that got them the award). I would like to add that Steve Perry and Journey couldn't get a Grammy either.

[bulldog]

It was great that Survivor got a grammy .. Rocky 3 was their launching pad to greatness . If Stallone never called upon them you never know what might have been.

I still prefer Jimi's vocals.

[Slander]

:shock: It was great that Survivor got a grammy .. Rocky 3 was their launching pad to greatness . If Stallone never called upon them you never know what might have been.

I still prefer Jimi's vocals.

Bulldog...without PREMONITON, Survivor's second album, there would have been no phone call. PREMONTION is a classic that did have a top 40 hit. JP and FS should be congratulated for putting out a classic that captured the ear of a HOLLYWOOD SUPERSTAR! Bulldog it's call being prepared for the right time! My god Bulldog you act as if JP and FS were not successful before Survivor! JJ is a great vocalist and he's damn lucky he met the right guys to showcase his talents. He would event admit that.

[Red13JoePa]

Survivor had 6 times as many hits and their biggest album ever when Jamison came aboard.
Right?

6 times as many hits Red?

Yes.
Going but what I heard, and still do on the radio, you've got/had 5-6 Jamison-fronted songs, 1 before that.

We all know of songs that "chart" somehow without anybody every really hearing them on radio.

[piecesofeight]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

Opinion of what someone likes the best has nothing to do with what did what sales..it's an opinion..

[Slander]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

Opinion of what someone likes the best has nothing to do with what did what sales..it's an opinion..

I only mention album sales because it was brought up by Bulldog first as evidence that NO CONTROL was a better album than EOTT. Caught in the Game is my favorite Survivor album and it flopped.

[bulldog]

I love Caught In The Game .. I think it is a far better album than Eye Of The Tiger . The sound is better and it rocks . Other than EOTT I am not so sure that was a great album. I know it sold a lot but without Rocky 3 would it have been as big? I don't actually know . I can't believe it flopped .

I would say CITG is the 2nd best sounding cd of all their records . I know you don't want to hear this Slander but I agree in part with you . WSC is probably sonically their best sounding one .

Slander I am a huge Eddie Money fan .. Eddie is one of the greatest & nicest rock n roll stars there ever has been.. He has always made himself available to fans , media etc.
I personally feel No Control was a far better album. It has sold nearly 4 million over the years .

I know it's the singer not the song that we all sing along too .. Are you surprised Bickler never co-wrote much material other than a song on the greatest hits . I am !

I wonder if Dave was ever offered a solo -album back in the day so he could showcase his own talents instead of just his voice. Did he ever tour with his own band and sing the tunes he made famous? I also would like to hear in his words the issues with the band .
I want to know how he survived and made a living when he was in and out of Survivor.. Before the Budweiser Commercials.

[Brett]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

Opinion of what someone likes the best has nothing to do with what did what sales..it's an opinion..

I only mention album sales because it was brought up by Bulldog first as evidence that NO CONTROL was a better album than EOTT. Caught in the Game is my favorite Survivor album and it flopped.

Ah, it took me a while, but I see where your posts sprang from now. Bizarre, as I don't think the original poster's mention of 'kicking arse' had anything at all to do with record sales. I only know the singles from Eddie's album, so I can't really judge - but EOTT is a masterpiece, with the exception of it's second biggest hit, what a yawnfest that is! Can't believe they pulled AH and not 'Feels like Love' as the second single...oh well!

[MarcelJordan]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

Opinion of what someone likes the best has nothing to do with what did what sales..it's an opinion..

I only mention album sales because it was brought up by Bulldog first as evidence that NO CONTROL was a better album than EOTT. Caught in the Game is my favorite Survivor album and it flopped.

Ah, it took me a while, but I see where your posts sprang from now. Bizarre, as I don't think the original poster's mention of 'kicking arse' had anything at all to do with record sales. I only know the singles from Eddie's album, so I can't really judge - but EOTT is a masterpiece, with the exception of it's second biggest hit, what a yawnfest that is! Can't believe they pulled AH and not 'Feels like Love' as the second single...oh well!

Im glad you're one of those who digs the EOTT album. Masterpiece is right

With regards to AH over FLL, I can agree to some extent. The prob i think was FLL was not too radio friendly. Although, I would say First Night (from VS) is just about as good as FLL and FN could do no higher than 60. Blasphemy!

[Slander]

I was listening to my favorite cds from 1982 .
I would have to say Eddie Money's "No Control" cd kicked Survivor's " Eye Of The Tigers ass..

I love both Eddie Money and EOTT. Gimme a break. The proof is in the sales and the singles. Uh where did No Control chart again? How many singles made the top 40?

Opinion of what someone likes the best has nothing to do with what did what sales..it's an opinion..

I only mention album sales because it was brought up by Bulldog first as evidence that NO CONTROL was a better album than EOTT. Caught in the Game is my favorite Survivor album and it flopped.

Ah, it took me a while, but I see where your posts sprang from now. Bizarre, as I don't think the original poster's mention of 'kicking arse' had anything at all to do with record sales. I only know the singles from Eddie's album, so I can't really judge - but EOTT is a masterpiece, with the exception of it's second biggest hit, what a yawnfest that is! Can't believe they pulled AH and not 'Feels like Love' as the second single...oh well!

Im glad you're one of those who digs the EOTT album. Masterpiece is right

With regards to AH over FLL, I can agree to some extent. The prob i think was FLL was not too radio friendly. Although, I would say First Night (from VS) is just about as good as FLL and FN could do no higher than 60. Blasphemy!

I disagree on American Heartbeat. I think it is classic Survivor. It is what the band is at it's core. Tough and Gritty. The song is a bit repetitive however I think they lyrics are great. The song is dark and ominous. Dare I say it: "STREET." Long Live The Beret.

[RockInDetroit]

No Control kicks EOTT butt. It aint even close. How many songs charted on EOTT? Honestly I don't think I heard more than one song off EOTT on the radio. No Control honestly is one of the strongest albums I own from top to bottom. Eddie's best work. Now maybe if you compare No Control to Vital Signs this is a tougher question.

[Red13JoePa]

Honestly I don't think I heard more than one song off EOTT on the radio.

Ding ding ding.

I said this before.

[Slander]

No Control kicks EOTT butt. It aint even close. How many songs charted on EOTT? Honestly I don't think I heard more than one song off EOTT on the radio. No Control honestly is one of the strongest albums I own from top to bottom. Eddie's best work. Now maybe if you compare No Control to Vital Signs this is a tougher question.

First I love Eddie Money. One of my all-time favorites. He has a great catalogue of music. On this one you are wrong though. No Control had 1 top 40 hit. EOTT had 2 including the number 1 title track. Other songs such as THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS were staples on aor radio when the album was released. EOTT is strong top to bottom as is No Control.

[RockInDetroit]

[quote="bulldog"]

Slander I am a huge Eddie Money fan .. Eddie is one of the greatest & nicest rock n roll stars there ever has been.. He has always made himself available to fans , media etc.
quote]

Bulldog, I disagree with you that Eddie Money is one of the nicest Rock In Rollers there has ever been. I met the guy twice and he was an ass both times. Keep in mind I own all of Eddie's cds. The first time I met Eddie was backstage at a show on his Right Here Tour. I was with my buddy who worked at Sony Records and he got us both back stage. Eddie came out for a few minutes to sign and pose for pictures. He totally blew me off....my friend he was cool with because my friend worked to promote his records. "With me it was like what can you do for me? Oh, nothing.....next."

I met Eddie a second time. He was doing a promotional tour at Best Buys. When I got to him he acted like talking to me was the last place in the entire world he rather be. I have pictures of me and the Money man and the expression on his face shows just that. Afterwards he even stole my sharpie.

I have heard others say the same thing about him...with the exception of people who can do him a favor or hot chicks. Now keep in mind this hurts me to say because I was a big fan and own all his music. Still No Control is by far a better cd than Eye of the tiger. Sales mean nothing. There have been other cds like EOTT that have had one hit and sold millions of records....I too believe CITG was a much better album song for song then EOTT.

[Red13JoePa]

Bulldog, I disagree with you that Eddie Money is one of the nicest Rock In Rollers there has ever been.
he even stole my sharpie.

What a bag-over-the-head-punch-in-the-face.

[jrnyman28]

Slander I am a huge Eddie Money fan .. Eddie is one of the greatest & nicest rock n roll stars there ever has been.. He has always made himself available to fans , media etc.

Bulldog, I disagree with you that Eddie Money is one of the nicest Rock In Rollers there has ever been. I met the guy twice and he was an ass both times. Keep in mind I own all of Eddie's cds. The first time I met Eddie was backstage at a show on his Right Here Tour. I was with my buddy who worked at Sony Records and he got us both back stage. Eddie came out for a few minutes to sign and pose for pictures. He totally blew me off....my friend he was cool with because my friend worked to promote his records. "With me it was like what can you do for me? Oh, nothing.....next."

I met Eddie a second time. He was doing a promotional tour at Best Buys. When I got to him he acted like talking to me was the last place in the entire world he rather be. I have pictures of me and the Money man and the expression on his face shows just that. Afterwards he even stole my sharpie.

I have heard others say the same thing about him...with the exception of people who can do him a favor or hot chicks. Now keep in mind this hurts me to say because I was a big fan and own all his music. Still No Control is by far a better cd than Eye of the tiger. Sales mean nothing. There have been other cds like EOTT that have had one hit and sold millions of records....I too believe CITG was a much better album song for song then EOTT.

Just fixing the quote for RockInDetriot

[jrnyman28]

When I think of those two records, I know more songs from Eddie Money. That is what I remember from back then....

[Slander]

When I think of those two records, I know more songs from Eddie Money. That is what I remember from back then....

Which songs from No Control? Shakin, TIIL and Take a Little Bit. That's it. EOTT got a lot of aor airplay. My station in Seattle cranked up THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS in heavy rotation.

[jrnyman28]

My point is that I ONLY remember hearing EOTT from EOTT while I remember 3 or 4 songs from No Control. I don't really think this thread was about facts as much as perception. My perception is that No Control had more recognizable singles on it than EOTT did.

[Slander]

My point is that I ONLY remember hearing EOTT from EOTT while I remember 3 or 4 songs from No Control. I don't really think this thread was about facts as much as perception. My perception is that No Control had more recognizable singles on it than EOTT did.

Yeah that's fair enough. No doubt Eddie was an mtv staple in the early 80's when No Control came out. The question is now what was a bigger flop? Where's the Party or Caught In The Game? I like both albums.

[RockInDetroit]

No Control kicks EOTT butt. It aint even close. How many songs charted on EOTT? Honestly I don't think I heard more than one song off EOTT on the radio. No Control honestly is one of the strongest albums I own from top to bottom. Eddie's best work. Now maybe if you compare No Control to Vital Signs this is a tougher question.

First I love Eddie Money. One of my all-time favorites. He has a great catalogue of music. On this one you are wrong though. No Control had 1 top 40 hit. EOTT had 2 including the number 1 title track. Other songs such as THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS were staples on aor radio when the album was released. EOTT is strong top to bottom as is No Control.

No slander you are wrong. Ask anyone not a Survivor fan to name some songs off of the Album Eye of the Tiger and they will name only one sound. As for No Control, you have Shakin, Think I’m In Love, No Control and Take a Little Bit. I never heard any songs off of Eye of the Tiger other than the song Eye of the Tiger on the radio. No Control would be ranked by at least 80% of the people who know music from the 80’s as better than being better. Post this question in a board not dominated by Survivor Fans.

[Slander]

No Control kicks EOTT butt. It aint even close. How many songs charted on EOTT? Honestly I don't think I heard more than one song off EOTT on the radio. No Control honestly is one of the strongest albums I own from top to bottom. Eddie's best work. Now maybe if you compare No Control to Vital Signs this is a tougher question.

First I love Eddie Money. One of my all-time favorites. He has a great catalogue of music. On this one you are wrong though. No Control had 1 top 40 hit. EOTT had 2 including the number 1 title track. Other songs such as THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS were staples on aor radio when the album was released. EOTT is strong top to bottom as is No Control.

No slander you are wrong. Ask anyone not a Survivor fan to name some songs off of the Album Eye of the Tiger and they will name only one sound. As for No Control, you have Shakin, Think I’m In Love, No Control and Take a Little Bit. I never heard any songs off of Eye of the Tiger other than the song Eye of the Tiger on the radio. No Control would be ranked by at least 80% of the people who know music from the 80’s as better than being better. Post this question in a board not dominated by Survivor Fans.

Rock I love the Money Man as you do but you are wrong when it comes to the album EOTT. American Heartbeat was a top 20 song. The One That Really Matters was also an AOR hit. Overall Money's popularity and catalogue of music is stronger than Survivor's. I don't dispute that at all. I'm just for giving the album EYE OF THE TIGER it's due. By the way the only song I hear on the radio now from No Control is SHAKIN. That's it!

[Slander]

My perception is that No Control had more recognizable singles on it than EOTT did.

I do think that's fair. Eddie was all over MTV with the No Control album.