fire makes steel?

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:38 pm

whats this im hearing about a bootleg cd called FIRE MAKES STEEL? whos gonna be kind enough to share it with me?

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:08 pm

Just don't ask EyeOf.
He doens't share JACK SHIT!

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:38 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:Just don't ask EyeOf.
He doens't share JACK SHIT!

im hoping maybe slander will have it. we have became good aquantances

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:18 pm

Slander's got it, we've all got it....

I'm down a burner right now else I'd fire it off to you.

by **axecrew** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:23 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Just don't ask EyeOf.
He doens't share JACK SHIT!

I know him!!!!!!!!!!! Jack Schidt that is. As for the Fire demos...don't have them and don't want them. I've heard them and didn't like them. The only thing they were good for was to see how "Fire makes Steel" was supposed to sound before it got butchered in the studio by whoever produced it.

by **RockInDetroit** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:19 pm

I'd take them. I don't have lots of Survivor stuff.

by **MarcelJordan** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:50 pm

axecrew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just don't ask EyeOf.
He doens't share JACK SHIT!

I know him!!!!!!!!!!! Jack Schidt that is. As for the Fire demos...don't have them and don't want them. I've heard them and didn't like them. The only thing they were good for was to see how "Fire makes Steel" was supposed to sound before it got butchered in the studio by whoever produced it.

I got them. A bit too raw for me though. Although Strip for Me is very interesting. :lol:

by **Slander** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:38 pm

MarcelJordan wrote:
axecrew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Just don't ask EyeOf.
He doens't share JACK SHIT!

I know him!!!!!!!!!!! Jack Schidt that is. As for the Fire demos...don't have them and don't want them. I've heard them and didn't like them. The only thing they were good for was to see how "Fire makes Steel" was supposed to sound before it got butchered in the studio by whoever produced it.

I got them. A bit too raw for me though. Although Strip for Me is very interesting.

Strip is awesome!

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:12 pm

i assume nobody will offer me a copy

by **Slander** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:30 pm

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:i assume nobody will offer me a copy

Hey Irwin,

I will see what I can do. I need to look through my stuff. It's been awhile since i gave the cd a spin.

by **IngoK** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:47 pm

try it here (link was from eyeof):

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=FOEIHW1R

by **Eyeof** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:57 pm

and to think red said i wouldn't share...

I love the demos...far surperior to Reach...FAR!

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:11 pm

IngoK wrote:try it here (link was from eyeof):

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=FOEIHW1R

thanks, but the link isn't working anymore, download limit exceeded

by **IngoK** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:23 pm

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
IngoK wrote:try it here (link was from eyeof):

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=FOEIHW1R

thanks, but the link isn't working anymore, download limit exceeded

Tried it just now, it works

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:09 pm

IngoK wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
IngoK wrote:try it here (link was from eyeof):

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=FOEIHW1R

thanks, but the link isn't working anymore, download limit exceeded

Tried it just now, it works

still cant get it to work

by **Slander** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:45 am

Eyeof wrote:and to think red said i wouldn't share...

I love the demos...far surperior to Reach...FAR!

Eye this is one thing we have agreement on. It is superior in many ways.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:06 am

Slander wrote:
Eyeof wrote:and to think red said i wouldn't share...

I love the demos...far surperior to Reach...FAR!

Eye this is one thing we have agreement on. It is superior in many ways.

slander could u upload the album for me or something please? :wink:

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:57 am

Go to www.guitars101.com to the Other Bands Bootleg forum. Search for Fire Makes Steel OR sURVIVOR.

by **MarcelJordan** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:37 pm

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Slander wrote:
Eyeof wrote:and to think red said i wouldn't share...

I love the demos...far surperior to Reach...FAR!

Eye this is one thing we have agreement on. It is superior in many ways.

slander could u upload the album for me or something please?

Check your pm. Will send one for you (don't know how to send a full album). Make that two.

by **silvergirl66** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:19 am

Irwin, did you ever get FMS to upload? Your missing out if you havn't heard Dave's version! The FMS demos are a must have. Welcome to this crazy board! LOL!

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:23 am

silvergirl66 wrote:Irwin, did you ever get FMS to upload? Your missing out if you havn't heard Dave's version! The FMS demos are a must have. Welcome to this crazy board! LOL!

marcel jordan has been sending me the songs from FMS. i have about 4 now. never got that link to upload sadly, no bother though. i still cant believe there was no 'official' FMS album featuring DB on vocals!!! maybe they cudint get a label to release it

by **Eyeof** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:36 am

Silvergirl...where you been hiding?

by **axecrew** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:55 am

Does anyone know who produced the actual album?

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:57 am

axecrew wrote:Does anyone know who produced the actual album?

im guessing it was FS himself. he did all the other albums himself except WSC which was with Ron nevison of Kiss and heart fame

by **axecrew** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:12 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
axecrew wrote:Does anyone know who produced the actual album?

im guessing it was FS himself. he did all the other albums himself except WSC which was with Ron nevison of Kiss and heart fame

Actually the credits are as follows:
Survivor-Ron Nevison
Premonition-Sullivan/Peterik
Eye of the Tiger-Sullivan/Peterik
Caught in the Game-Sullivan
Vital Signs-Ron Nevison
When Seconds Count-Nevison/Sullivan
Too Hot too Sleep-Frank Filipetti/Sullivan

Seems that Irwin is mistaken As these are the actual credits on the albums themselves. Thanks for the answer, it made me think and go get my copies out and look.

Based on what I found,it reasons that the most commercially successful album was done by Ron Nevison by himself.
The fans favorites were done by Sullivan/Peterik.
Does anyone disagree?
Now so no one gets his nose out of joint......there is no hidden agenda here,so put the amateur detective kit away( In the vein of a survivor song...You know who you are).

I do have 1 other question.....When do you feel that survivor started to go soft? What album would you say took them away from their "street"sound as some like to call it?

by **MarcelJordan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:04 pm

The highest a Survivor album went in the charts was EOTT album to me that's commercially successful for an ALBUM. To me Peterik/Sullivan produced albums were THE best in soundcraft and production. Commercially successful VS. VS unfortunately missed out in one thing, a proper bass sound (atleast it seemed lost in the mix).

Survivor went pop from WSC. Here i think they were in two minds. Rock or pop?

by **MarcelJordan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:20 pm

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
silvergirl66 wrote:Irwin, did you ever get FMS to upload? Your missing out if you havn't heard Dave's version! The FMS demos are a must have. Welcome to this crazy board! LOL!

marcel jordan has been sending me the songs from FMS. i have about 4 now. never got that link to upload sadly, no bother though. i still cant believe there was no 'official' FMS album featuring DB on vocals!!! maybe they cudint get a label to release it

Check your pm.

by **Eyeof** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:34 pm

A lot of people like to blame WSC as the album that 'jumped the shark', becasue Vital Signs was such a hit. But if you listen to Caught in the Game vs. Vital Signs there is a big difference there.

by **Idiosyncrasy** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:04 pm

Eyeof wrote:A lot of people like to blame WSC as the album that 'jumped the shark', becasue Vital Signs was such a hit. But if you listen to Caught in the Game vs. Vital Signs there is a big difference there.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. When Seconds Count was as 'pop' as they ever got (the sheer fact they needed an extra synth player when they already had Peterik on keyboards didn't help), but it started with Vital Signs. I think JP and FS were trying to cater the material and sound to their new singer (although I understand that at least Broken Promises and I See You In Everyone were demo'd with Bickler?). It's ironic really, I always think of Jamo has having a 'tougher', 'grittier' voice whereas Dave's voice sounds smoother (almost 'golden') to my ears (except on certain songs like Nothing Can Shake Me, Poor Man's Son, etc where he rips it up)! Hell, what do I know?! However, personality wise I think Dave had the 'street' attitude. Be interesting to know if Broken Promises etc were rawer and less poppy in their demo forms with Bickler.

by **MarcelJordan** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:08 pm

Idiosyncrasy wrote:
Eyeof wrote:A lot of people like to blame WSC as the album that 'jumped the shark', becasue Vital Signs was such a hit. But if you listen to Caught in the Game vs. Vital Signs there is a big difference there.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. When Seconds Count was as 'pop' as they ever got (the sheer fact they needed an extra synth player when they already had Peterik on keyboards didn't help), but it started with Vital Signs. I think JP and FS were trying to cater the material and sound to their new singer (although I understand that at least Broken Promises and I See You In Everyone were demo'd with Bickler?). It's ironic really, I always think of Jamo has having a 'tougher', 'grittier' voice whereas Dave's voice sounds smoother (almost 'golden') to my ears (except on certain songs like Nothing Can Shake Me, Poor Man's Son, etc where he rips it up)! Hell, what do I know?! However, personality wise I think Dave had the 'street' attitude. Be interesting to know if Broken Promises etc were rawer and less poppy in their demo forms with Bickler.

You know, it might sound funny (go ahead laugh

), Survivor tried a bit of pop in Caught in the Game, in the song "What do you really think" You can hear a bit of High on You in the way its crafted. So, this flys in the face of the difference between CITG and VS. :wink:

Frankly, the band did try different things (Frankie mentioned it sometime back).

Vital Signs WAS written with Dave in mind. Dave did Broken Promises live in the 90's I believe. That bootleg is in the hands of some fans.

MR

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