Jimi Jamison's Samples

[bulldog]

I burned a copy of the 5 tracks 1:30 samples and listened to the Rock The Bones Volume 6 cd where Behind The Music tune is. I think Jimi's vocals sound just like 1984's Vital Signs. The passion in his vocals and his tone is back .. He didn't sound all that great on When Love Comes Down or Empires other than a few tracks that really rocked.

I think his vocals are much suited for the writing style of Jim Peterik. The piano , keyboard with soaring melodies and ballads . I played these tunes over and over in my car and Jimi is back doing the style of music that best fits his voice.

Too Hot To Sleep his voice was awesome and full of unmatched intensity and a tougher style . His best vocals without a doubt .

I didn't think he would ever sound this good again .. It is like him and John Wetton of Asia are re-born and sing better than ever in the studio.

I think it is Jim Peterik that brought Jimi back as close as the glory days. I also think it is the song and the writer of it that makes this singer the best he can be.

Survivor was great and these guys all need each other to be together to be the best they can ever be but this is damn close for me.

Music is different now . Songs are more dramatic and not the 3 min radio hits.. These songs are deeper and take on a story. I miss the 80's though ..

[Journey/Survivor]

I have always thought that Jimi's voice was at it's absolute peak on the WSC album. Although it was almost equally good on Vital Signs and THTS.

[bulldog]

WSC was the best sounding Survivor cd .. CITG was the best rocker.. ( my opinion)

[Journey/Survivor]

:D WSC was the best sounding Survivor cd .. CITG was the best rocker.. ( my opinion)

For me THTS and CITG are in a virtual tie for my favorite Survivor album, with THTS only having a tiny edge.

Even though WSC isn't one of my top favorites by Survivor, I would say it had the best overall production of any of their albums.

[Tito]

I'll have to listen to WSC and THTS more. Those don't get as many spins from me as the others.

[TageRyche]

If he sounds so good now, what was up with the production on Reach that made it sound less than good and like he was losing some of his voice or rather vocal flexibility/ability?

As for listening to his Survivor CDs, I haven't done that in a while and really need to get back to doing so.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'll have to listen to WSC and THTS more. Those don't get as many spins from me as the others.

THTS is a great Rocking album. WSC is more polished and pop oriented.

[jrnyman28]

I think it is Jim Peterik that brought Jimi back as close as the glory days. I also think it is the song and the writer of it that makes this singer the best he can be.

So it's the song not the singer?

[bulldog]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

[Joe Vana]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

Joe,

I agree with what you've said about Jim and frank always being at their best when they write songs together. But do you think that Frank's main contributions were more in terms of writing the music as opposed to writing of the lyrics? Or do you think that Frank's lyrics were equally as important as Jim's?

The Jim Peterik/Frankie Sullivan writing team is my favorite songwriting team of all time. I've heard so many songs that Jim has written by himself that I know that he puts out great songs even when he is the lone writer. I've never heard a song that Frank wrote by himself, so it's harder for me to judge his lyric writing ability.

And a question for either JOE or ANDREW..... Do either of you know if Peterik wrote all of the lyrics for the Crossroads Moment CD by himself, or if Jimi or someone else also co-wrote the songs?

[Joe Vana]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

Joe,

I agree with what you've said about Jim and frank always being at their best when they write songs together. But do you think that Frank's main contributions were more in terms of writing the music as opposed to writing of the lyrics? Or do you think that Frank's lyrics were equally as important as Jim's?

The Jim Peterik/Frankie Sullivan writing team is my favorite songwriting team of all time. I've heard so many songs that Jim has written by himself that I know that he puts out great songs even when he is the lone writer. I've never heard a song that Frank wrote by himself, so it's harder for me to judge his lyric writing ability.

And a question for either JOE or ANDREW..... Do either of you know if Peterik wrote all of the lyrics for the Crossroads Moment CD by himself, or if Jimi or someone else also co-wrote the songs?

As far as Survivor I think Frank was a main force on the musical side of the songwriting process and JP probably was the biggest force on the lyrical side....together they wrote legendary music together....as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV

[axecrew]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

Joe,

I agree with what you've said about Jim and frank always being at their best when they write songs together. But do you think that Frank's main contributions were more in terms of writing the music as opposed to writing of the lyrics? Or do you think that Frank's lyrics were equally as important as Jim's?

The Jim Peterik/Frankie Sullivan writing team is my favorite songwriting team of all time. I've heard so many songs that Jim has written by himself that I know that he puts out great songs even when he is the lone writer. I've never heard a song that Frank wrote by himself, so it's harder for me to judge his lyric writing ability.

And a question for either JOE or ANDREW..... Do either of you know if Peterik wrote all of the lyrics for the Crossroads Moment CD by himself, or if Jimi or someone else also co-wrote the songs?

As far as Survivor I think Frank was a main force on the musical side of the songwriting process and JP probably was the biggest force on the lyrical side....together they wrote legendary music together....as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV

I've read this post about 3 or 4 times now,and my mind keeps coming back to it. While in a lot of cases I think that most of this is true......I was wondering.....most people say that after Eye of the Tiger....I Can't Hold Back is not only their favorite,but the best written song they've ever done. So I was wondering what other people think.......Is this the best written song they ever did after Tiger? What do you think Joe?

[Joe Vana]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

Joe,

I agree with what you've said about Jim and frank always being at their best when they write songs together. But do you think that Frank's main contributions were more in terms of writing the music as opposed to writing of the lyrics? Or do you think that Frank's lyrics were equally as important as Jim's?

The Jim Peterik/Frankie Sullivan writing team is my favorite songwriting team of all time. I've heard so many songs that Jim has written by himself that I know that he puts out great songs even when he is the lone writer. I've never heard a song that Frank wrote by himself, so it's harder for me to judge his lyric writing ability.

And a question for either JOE or ANDREW..... Do either of you know if Peterik wrote all of the lyrics for the Crossroads Moment CD by himself, or if Jimi or someone else also co-wrote the songs?

As far as Survivor I think Frank was a main force on the musical side of the songwriting process and JP probably was the biggest force on the lyrical side....together they wrote legendary music together....as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV

I've read this post about 3 or 4 times now,and my mind keeps coming back to it. While in a lot of cases I think that most of this is true......I was wondering.....most people say that after Eye of the Tiger....I Can't Hold Back is not only their favorite,but the best written song they've ever done. So I was wondering what other people think.......Is this the best written song they ever did after Tiger? What do you think Joe?

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT......Burning Bridges.....it is melodically and musically their strongest tune.....and lyrically WAYYYYY ahead of tiger...a perfect symbiosis of Peterik/Sullivan......

You could toss 97% of their songs together (they are all real good) but that tune really stands out.....

Others for honorable mention are....

In no particular order....

I Can't Hold Back
Oceans
First Night
Broken Promises
Hearts a Lonley Hunter
Burning Heart
Santa Ana Winds
Caught in the Game
She's a Star

This along with "Bridges" would be MY ultimate Survivor album.....and my favorite tunes.....

It highlights every aspect of the band for me......neither guy has a written a tune seperate from each other that comes even close to this list for me....each of these songs are F'n Amazing to me.....and ANY of these songs, any of them, if released now would be touted as song of the year EASILY.....

They had a magic creative period together, production, songwriting and guitar tone.....all together made Survivor who they were, and who they will always be in my head.....the best tied with Toto....

JV

[Journey/Survivor]

as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV

I wasn't criticizing FS for not having written a song by himself! I was just saying that it's harder for me to judge his writing ability since I've never heard a song that he wrote by himself. I've never doubted that he's a great songwriter.

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah I think so .. Jimi has to bring his awesome voice but he also needs the right song to wrap it around.. Imagine if Jim Peterik had Jimi's voice ? He would be the most awesome ever with his writing ability .

These guys are meant to work together . They had their biggest success together and I imagine this new cd will continue their stand as 2 of the most prolific songwriters and singers .

I wonder what might have been had these guys not been apart for nearly 20 years.

I love this sound.

I agree with alot of what you say....except for the "most awesome ever"......anyway.....without FS CO-writing the material it would never be Survivor....and....never will......

Joe,

I agree with what you've said about Jim and frank always being at their best when they write songs together. But do you think that Frank's main contributions were more in terms of writing the music as opposed to writing of the lyrics? Or do you think that Frank's lyrics were equally as important as Jim's?

The Jim Peterik/Frankie Sullivan writing team is my favorite songwriting team of all time. I've heard so many songs that Jim has written by himself that I know that he puts out great songs even when he is the lone writer. I've never heard a song that Frank wrote by himself, so it's harder for me to judge his lyric writing ability.

And a question for either JOE or ANDREW..... Do either of you know if Peterik wrote all of the lyrics for the Crossroads Moment CD by himself, or if Jimi or someone else also co-wrote the songs?

As far as Survivor I think Frank was a main force on the musical side of the songwriting process and JP probably was the biggest force on the lyrical side....together they wrote legendary music together....as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV

I've read this post about 3 or 4 times now,and my mind keeps coming back to it. While in a lot of cases I think that most of this is true......I was wondering.....most people say that after Eye of the Tiger....I Can't Hold Back is not only their favorite,but the best written song they've ever done. So I was wondering what other people think.......Is this the best written song they ever did after Tiger? What do you think Joe?

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT......Burning Bridges.....it is melodically and musically their strongest tune.....and lyrically WAYYYYY ahead of tiger...a perfect symbiosis of Peterik/Sullivan......

You could toss 97% of their songs together (they are all real good) but that tune really stands out.....

Others for honorable mention are....

In no particular order....

I Can't Hold Back
Oceans
First Night
Broken Promises
Hearts a Lonley Hunter
Burning Heart
Santa Ana Winds
Caught in the Game
She's a Star

This along with "Bridges" would be MY ultimate Survivor album.....and my favorite tunes.....

It highlights every aspect of the band for me......neither guy has a written a tune seperate from each other that comes even close to this list for me....each of these songs are F'n Amazing to me.....and ANY of these songs, any of them, if released now would be touted as song of the year EASILY.....

They had a magic creative period together, production, songwriting and guitar tone.....all together made Survivor who they were, and who they will always be in my head.....the best tied with Toto....

JV

I don't think that I can name one song that I think is their #1 best written song. But several of the songs you named rank really high on my list of their top songs.

Caught In The Game
Burning Bridges
Oceans
Broken Promises
I Can't Hold Back
Burning Heart
Being my favorites of the ones you named as far as the writing is concerned.

I love She's A Star for how great of a jam song it is, particularly Frank's guitar playing.

But Burning Bridges is definitely one of their best written songs, great emotion all the way around on that song...Great lyrics, very emotional guitar playing and very soulful vocals by Jimi Jamison.

[Idiosyncrasy]

"As far as Survivor I think Frank was a main force on the musical side of the songwriting process and JP probably was the biggest force on the lyrical side....together they wrote legendary music together....as far as the writing alone thing, again, that has been addressed....most writers cowrite material, it makes for a better brew.....

JV[/quote]"

That really surprises me. I hear so much of the Survivor sound in Jim Peterik's solo-written songs that this shocks me. What about songs like I Can't Hold back that started with a Frankie riff that Jim took away and completed by himself? I agree, Frankie brings a tougher, meaner edge to the songs and that may be what's missing from Crossroads Moment (will have to see), but I hear SO many Survivor trademarks in Pride of Lions et al that it's hard for me to believe Frankie was the main musical contributor in Survivor.

I can imagine Frankie initiating songs with a riff or chord sequence, but I hear way more Peterik in there based on his solo-written material and Frankie's solo-written stuff. For example, 80% of the Pride of Lions stuff has Survivor written all over it to my ears and even songs like Back to Eden by Terry Brock, Walk With You (Phoenix Down), I'm Alive by Kelly Keagy, even Wishing Well or Without You by Mecca wouldn't sound out of place on a Survivor album IMO. I recall Jamo said that Frankie didn't contribute all that much to the songwriting in an interview.

Plus, then you've got the Peterik written tracks on the Survivor albums like Chevy Nights, What Do You Really Think, Light of a Thousand Smiles etc. Sure, Frankie brought the harder edge to the table and may have helped create the sound, but Jim can recreate it and build upon it when he's working without Frankie if his songs are anything to go by.

The non-Peterik songs on Reach don't really sound that much like Survivor to my ears - that 'dark and moody/dramatic' vibe that was the core to their sound. Stomping rhythm section, stabbing keyboards, and dramatic power-chords. I mean, I quite liked the title track to Reach, I Don't, Gimme the Word, and Talkin' Bout Love, but they could have been any AOR band. It didn't have the 'signature' sound I love about Survivor. Yeah, Pride of Lions is lighter and doesn't have the grit that Frankie brings to the table, but I'd still say it sounds more like Survivor than the last Survivor album!

Whenever anyone asks me to summarise what Survivor sound like I just say:


thump thump thump thump... KRANG-KRANGGGG!



I'm sure you'll disagree with me Joe, but that's my 2 cents!

- Danny.

[Joe Vana]

even Wishing Well or Without You by Mecca wouldn't sound out of place on a Survivor album IMO. I recall Jamo said that Frankie didn't contribute all that much to the songwriting in an interview.

- Danny.[/quote]

Who is Mecca????

and as far as Jamo saying FS did not contribute much to the writing???? ummmmmm.....ok....

DO not get me started on that one.....

hahahha

JV

[bulldog]

I agree with what you wrote .. To me the thing that matters the most is Jim Peterik writes songs and records cds. Bottom line he releases product .

I love the tunes he wrote with John Wetton of Asia . Space And Time is awesome ..I wish Jamo would have recorded that on his upcoming cd. Space & Time , No Ordinary Miracle and Love Is . They are on John Wetton's Battle Lines and Welcome To Heaven cds.

I listened to the World Stage cds tonight . I really like some of the tunes . From Here To Here After , Diamonds For Stones and the different arrangement of Eye Of The Tiger.

Jim is my favorite song writer .. He is name is credited with most of the songs I grew up on either Survivor or 38 Special .


I am sure with the royalties Frankie gets there is no urgency to record new material and release it every year . Peterik really seems to love what he does and keeps going like a machine . Jamo is the voice that drives the tunes and he is now in the company where he needs to be .

To me the Survivor sound everyone keeps bringing up will never be the same. It took all 5 guys to make it .

[bulldog]

Next up I would like to hear a new acoustic cd with Jimi Jamison & Jim Peterik doing new materila nad classic Survivor songs with a acoustic guitar & piano and the voice of Jamo . I hope Frontiers does something unique with these guys should Crossroads Moment becomes a success..

The old hits need to be re-worked with new life something like John Wetton & geoff Downes did before they went back and re-created Asia .

[axecrew]

:D I agree with what you wrote .. To me the thing that matters the most is Jim Peterik writes songs and records cds. Bottom line he releases product .

Be careful here because Joe's gonna tell you that quantity doesn't equal quality.

Thank-You people of the jury......what I suspected all along has been proven to me. Most people think that it was Jim who was the creative force behind Survivor's music. While sullivan undoubtedly contributed,Jim was the main force in their music. I used the song I Can't Hold Back as my example for the the very reason that idio mentioned. Frankie was goofing around with a riff in the studio,Jim had them record it and he took that home and wrote the completed song. And it became one of their biggest hits. As for Burning Heart.....I think we can all agree that it is Jim Peterik at his best. Heavy keyboard sound and very melodic.........totally Jim. Not to say others didn't contribute,but.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

[Journey/Survivor]

:D I agree with what you wrote .. To me the thing that matters the most is Jim Peterik writes songs and records cds. Bottom line he releases product .

Be careful here because Joe's gonna tell you that quantity doesn't equal quality.

Thank-You people of the jury......what I suspected all along has been proven to me. Most people think that it was Jim who was the creative force behind Survivor's music. While sullivan undoubtedly contributed,Jim was the main force in their music. I used the song I Can't Hold Back as my example for the the very reason that idio mentioned. Frankie was goofing around with a riff in the studio,Jim had them record it and he took that home and wrote the completed song. And it became one of their biggest hits. As for Burning Heart.....I think we can all agree that it is Jim Peterik at his best. Heavy keyboard sound and very melodic.........totally Jim. Not to say others didn't contribute,but.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

No doubt Jim's lyrics were a huge part of Burning Bridges greatness, and I love his keyboards on it too. But actually, it's Jimi and Frankie that I really listen to on that song. To me if you take away any of those 3 things, Peterik's lyrics, Jamison's vocals and Sullivan's guitar playing, then you just don't have as great of a song.

As far as either Peterik or Sullivan go, to me if you take Peterik's lyrics out your missing a ton, and if you take out Sullivan's guitar playing your missing a ton.

Their both great without each other. But their at their absolute best together. I really hope that before I die, or before they die, that they can put their differences aside and work together on at least one more Survivor album. But time is running out, their not exactly spring-chickens anymore.

[Ehwmatt]

I too hear the "Survivor" sound embodied in Peterik's recent work. Just compare the driving feel of Couragae to Love Somebody or It's Criminal to a song like Feels Like Love. To me, it's clear as day...

I don't doubt Frankie has always had a large hand in writing the good stuff, but JP definitely has that Survivor sound ingrained in his righting.

[Slander]

.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

Thank you Reggie Jackson....Unfortunately JP is with the Orioles now, not the Yankees! I hope you guys get my reference here.

[axecrew]

.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

Thank you Reggie Jackson....Unfortunately JP is with the Orioles now, not the Yankees! I hope you guys get my reference here.

Got it....too bad your timeline is wrong. Reggie played 1 year in Baltimore..1976, then went to the Yankees in 1977.

Another cute little veiled shot.....cute, but not overly clever.

Slander please pay close attention because I won't repeat this.......We get it...frankie sullivan is your hero or god or whatever. No one here has ever downplayed his contributions to survivor as a guitarist. All I've ever said was that I've heard others play the stuff just as good note for note. I'm one of those who believes the cover version is never as good as the original. So it is safe to say that anyone other than survivor playing the stuff is never going to be better than survivor.
BUT when it comes to the writing of the music, ALL evidence both past and present lead to the fact that Jim Peterik is much better as a songwriter than sullivan is/was or ever will be. This is an unarguable fact, look at the body of work for both guys.....sullivan has written nothing that I've ever heard by himself. Peterik has written tons of stuff....in fact there has never been a frankie sullivan song on a survivor album prior to reach that I'm aware of. But on the album that is considered their "breakout" album....Premonition, the one that led Stallone to them...Jim has 2.
We know that frankie has kept the band going etc,etc,etc. But we've also heard joe talk about how sullivan is a private person and doesn't like to promote himself etc.......well guess what? If these things are true than the fucker's in the wrong business and needs to disband survivor and go away. You can't make it as an artist if you're unwilling to promote your band. How many albums joe gonna sell if no one knows about it? Telling people where you are playing or when isn't double secret info.....it's called common sense. Unless he's embarrassed and doesn't want anyone to see what the band has become? Yes slander I know....." I've been critical about frankie's withholding info and stuff and blah,blah,blah" save it as we've all heard it before,way too many times. But you've never been critical about anything of substance. It's almost as if you will say something critical about something vanilla like the shows and info,but don't want to address anything big for fear of upsetting sullivan or something. What you afraid he's gonna come to your house and beat you up or maybe revoke your membership in his secret club or something?
I want to know why he's the only member of the band still around. And not the vanilla answer we've gotten,but the truth. Why did Bickler leave/get fired 2 times.......Why did Jim leave the very band he started? Why did Jimi leave/get fired a second time? Why is it so hard for them to do an album? Although I think I know the reason for that.
I want the truth about what caused the band to go south....not the crap that we've been given.

[Slander]

.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

Thank you Reggie Jackson....Unfortunately JP is with the Orioles now, not the Yankees! I hope you guys get my reference here.

No shite Sherlock. My god Axe. There was nothing veiled about my reference. You made the RJ comparison. I took it one step further. Yes I'm comparing the current situation to the 76 Orioles! Okay team not great. 77 Yankees! Yeah there you go. JP was on a a championship team with Survivor. Now he's on an okay team. That was my point. The problem with YOUR comment is that it is just as over the top as Reggie's comment was back then.

[Slander]

ALL evidence both past and present lead to the fact that Jim Peterik is much better as a songwriter than sullivan is/was or ever will be. This is an unarguable fact.

Once again utter horseshite. But you are entitled to your opinions no matter how misguided. I have most of JP's stuff. I love a lot of it. Some it I don't. It's hit or miss. He does put a lot of PRODUCT out there. No doubt. I wish it were more consistent. I love the first POL and then the follow up misses the mark for example. JP is a great talent but HE AIN'T THE BEATLES! So quit making him out to be a god. I will buy the JJ album. The samples sound solid but let's not turn it into Vital Signs Part 2.

[Slander]

.....Jim was the straw that stirred the drink.

Thank you Reggie Jackson....Unfortunately JP is with the Orioles now, not the Yankees! I hope you guys get my reference here.

Got it....too bad your timeline is wrong. Reggie played 1 year in Baltimore..1976, then went to the Yankees in 1977.

Ok let AXE. I know you are a little slow. Nothing veiled here. I'm comparing JJ to the 76 Orioles and Survivor to the 77 Yankees. Do you understand that? Do you? By the way compairing JP to Reggie is beyond silly, even for you.

[axecrew]

Unfortunately the only one doing the comparing is you. I made a simple statement....you took it to the outer limits.

So my opinion is misguided....care to offer some sort of facts to support your claim? Or are we just going to go on the ol' I told you so na,na,na,na.

Again, another not so subtle swipe. Cute, i'm sure everyone thinks you are just the ever so smart one.

[Joe Vana]

[quote="axecrew"]

"But we've also heard joe talk about how sullivan is a private person and doesn't like to promote himself etc.......well guess what? If these things are true than the fucker's in the wrong business and needs to disband survivor and go away."

Axe....respectfully....when you win a grammy, have a worldwide following, sell millions of albums and oh yea, have millions in the bank you an make that statement....I think you have no right or resume to make that statement....

"You can't make it as an artist if you're unwilling to promote your band."

Depends on what promotion is to you.....At this point Frankie could care less how many albums he sells....what he works on he does for the love of it.....its about passion....NOT money....

"How many albums joe gonna sell if no one knows about it?"

I could are less how many I sell....I am making an album to fulfill a need I have internally to expose my emotions and thoughts in an artistic manner....

"I want the truth about what caused the band to go south....not the crap that we've been given"

That is never gonna happen....he amount of people that know that is less than about 10......and I know I am not saying nothing!!!! I respect all involved, so it is between them....I know you want the truth, but you aren't going to get it.....

I hope you take these answers with the spirit they are intended with.....not looking for a war, not looking for a fight.....I was brought up and I wanted to respond....

Thanks Axe.....JV