OT: Dream Songwriting Team - My pick What's yours?

[MarcelJordan]

Peterik/Schon/Sullivan/Cain

[Tito]

Peterik/Schon/Sullivan/Cain

Too many. I thought a Peterik/Cain collaboration would be cool. Maybe Neal playing on the track too.

[Eyeof]

Slander/Sullivan

[Journey/Survivor]

IMO Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world. And Jonathan Cain may possibly be the second greatest of all, IMO? So in many ways I would say Peterik/Cain.

The thing is that there's no question about it that Sullivan helps bring a toughness to Peterik's songs that is often needed, and the same goes for Schon adding that toughness to Cain's.

As phenomenal of writers as Peterik and Cain are, their one weakness is that they sometimes don't Rock enough without Sullivan or Schon bringing a harder edge to the songs.

Steve Perry is another great writer, possibly as good as Cain?

The Lou Gramm/Mick Jones team is awesome. As is the Blades/Keagy team.

Cain/Waite was great too, when they could get along, and when Waite wasn't screwing over Cain and the other band members.

[Joe Vana]

IMO Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world. And Jonathan Cain may possibly be the second greatest of all, IMO? So in many ways I would say Peterik/Cain.

The thing is that there's no question about it that Sullivan helps bring a toughness to Peterik's songs that is often needed, and the same goes for Schon adding that toughness to Cain's.

As phenomenal of writers as Peterik and Cain are, their one weakness is that they sometimes don't Rock enough without Sullivan or Schon bringing a harder edge to the songs.

Steve Perry is another great writer, possibly as good as Cain?

The Lou Gramm/Mick Jones team is awesome. As is the Blades/Keagy team.

Cain/Waite was great too, when they could get along, and when Waite wasn't screwing over Cain and the other band members.

If you base your opinion on album sales, JP would not be in the top 50......if you base your opinion on hits JP would not be in the top 50.......

If you base you base your opinion on the very small melodicrock pocket of the music industry he would be in the top 50.....

If you base it on the 4 or 5 bands that dominate this website (not the overall leaders of the MR or AOR community, but 4 or 5 most popular on here) than he would be in the top 5.....

WITH FS.....he had a few hits without him.....but the JP/FS hits and success dominate his career....

I think GLOBALLY when you I hear statements like that....Survivor sold what 6 to 9 million albums in total.....that would put them at less than 30% of what Toto has sold, how about REO, Night Ranger, Styx, Journey, AC/DC, Whitesnake to name a SMALL few......

JP is a great rock songwriter, but to walk in the tall grass with the big dogs is a big order....and there are many many writers who statistically have a much much stronger track record of success....

I am a big JP and Survivor fan....but #1 greatest songwriter in the rock world is a Hell of a statement....and to put Cain at #2 for example, Cain has like 4 to one the amount of big tunes written and is still going.....Journey puts out an album it sells 500,000 plus...not 15,000 plus....and Survivor probably sold 50,000 of their last release....I just try to base my opinions on the WHOLE industry worldwide, not just this site....and I love this site....

My Opinion of course as well.....JV

[Eyeof]

What exactly happened to Bad English? I was a big fan of that band...they had some really good music there...

[Red13JoePa]

Per Schon/Cain Waite had LSD: Lead Singer's Disease.

Oil and water. Healed SOME, I guess, b/c Waite did some openings for Journey on the Arrival tour in 01.

[Joe Vana]

Per Schon/Cain Waite had LSD: Lead Singer's Disease.

Oil and water. Healed SOME, I guess, b/c Waite did some openings for Journey on the Arrival tour in 01.

LSD
hahahaha...nice one...I am gonna use that one.....

JV

[Red13JoePa]

I think Edward Van Halen owns the trademark on the term, first I heard LSD thrown around was in the 5150 era in an interview where he said Sammy DIDN'T have LSD.

[Eyeof]

I saw John Waite in concert last week...was hoping he would sing some bad english stuff...but he did not...

[jrnyman28]

Healed SOME, I guess, b/c Waite did some openings for Journey on the Arrival tour in 01.

But you sure didn't see Cain get out on stage with Waite...only Neal. I would say Jon and John still do not like each other...

[Journey/Survivor]

IMO Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world. And Jonathan Cain may possibly be the second greatest of all, IMO? So in many ways I would say Peterik/Cain.

The thing is that there's no question about it that Sullivan helps bring a toughness to Peterik's songs that is often needed, and the same goes for Schon adding that toughness to Cain's.

As phenomenal of writers as Peterik and Cain are, their one weakness is that they sometimes don't Rock enough without Sullivan or Schon bringing a harder edge to the songs.

Steve Perry is another great writer, possibly as good as Cain?

The Lou Gramm/Mick Jones team is awesome. As is the Blades/Keagy team.

Cain/Waite was great too, when they could get along, and when Waite wasn't screwing over Cain and the other band members.

If you base your opinion on album sales, JP would not be in the top 50......if you base your opinion on hits JP would not be in the top 50.......

If you base you base your opinion on the very small melodicrock pocket of the music industry he would be in the top 50.....

If you base it on the 4 or 5 bands that dominate this website (not the overall leaders of the MR or AOR community, but 4 or 5 most popular on here) than he would be in the top 5.....

WITH FS.....he had a few hits without him.....but the JP/FS hits and success dominate his career....

I think GLOBALLY when you I hear statements like that....Survivor sold what 6 to 9 million albums in total.....that would put them at less than 30% of what Toto has sold, how about REO, Night Ranger, Styx, Journey, AC/DC, Whitesnake to name a SMALL few......

JP is a great rock songwriter, but to walk in the tall grass with the big dogs is a big order....and there are many many writers who statistically have a much much stronger track record of success....

I am a big JP and Survivor fan....but #1 greatest songwriter in the rock world is a Hell of a statement....and to put Cain at #2 for example, Cain has like 4 to one the amount of big tunes written and is still going.....Journey puts out an album it sells 500,000 plus...not 15,000 plus....and Survivor probably sold 50,000 of their last release....I just try to base my opinions on the WHOLE industry worldwide, not just this site....and I love this site....

My Opinion of course as well.....JV

I completely 100% stand by my claim that Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world.
But, I'm basing that on my opinion, what I like, what I think makes a song great. I'm not basing it on hit's or sales or how great other people consider the songs to be.

Don't get me wrong, Joe. I realize the tremendous importance of Frankie Sullivan's contributions to the songs of Survivor. In fact I even pointed out the importance of Frank's writing for toughening-up the songs. I will always consider the songs that Jim and frank wrote together to be the best work that either of them has done.

And basically everything that I just said above applies to Jonathan Cain as well, only substitute Schon in place of Sullivan in Journey's case. I'm going based on what I consider to be great songwriting.

[Journey/Survivor]

What exactly happened to Bad English? I was a big fan of that band...they had some really good music there...

I'm a huge fan of Bad English.

Waite is an idiot, IMO. Great singer and songwriter, but an idiot none the less, IMO.

Based on what I've heard and read, Waite really screwed over Cain and Schon.

[Journey/Survivor]

I saw John Waite in concert last week...was hoping he would sing some bad english stuff...but he did not...

Just for fun, I asked Waite a few years back if he thought there would ever be a Bad English reunion. I don't think he liked the question?

[Journey/Survivor]

I would say Jon and John still do not like each other...

I definitely believe that's the case.

[Joe Vana]

IMO Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world. And Jonathan Cain may possibly be the second greatest of all, IMO? So in many ways I would say Peterik/Cain.

The thing is that there's no question about it that Sullivan helps bring a toughness to Peterik's songs that is often needed, and the same goes for Schon adding that toughness to Cain's.

As phenomenal of writers as Peterik and Cain are, their one weakness is that they sometimes don't Rock enough without Sullivan or Schon bringing a harder edge to the songs.

Steve Perry is another great writer, possibly as good as Cain?

The Lou Gramm/Mick Jones team is awesome. As is the Blades/Keagy team.

Cain/Waite was great too, when they could get along, and when Waite wasn't screwing over Cain and the other band members.

If you base your opinion on album sales, JP would not be in the top 50......if you base your opinion on hits JP would not be in the top 50.......

If you base you base your opinion on the very small melodicrock pocket of the music industry he would be in the top 50.....

If you base it on the 4 or 5 bands that dominate this website (not the overall leaders of the MR or AOR community, but 4 or 5 most popular on here) than he would be in the top 5.....

WITH FS.....he had a few hits without him.....but the JP/FS hits and success dominate his career....

I think GLOBALLY when you I hear statements like that....Survivor sold what 6 to 9 million albums in total.....that would put them at less than 30% of what Toto has sold, how about REO, Night Ranger, Styx, Journey, AC/DC, Whitesnake to name a SMALL few......

JP is a great rock songwriter, but to walk in the tall grass with the big dogs is a big order....and there are many many writers who statistically have a much much stronger track record of success....

I am a big JP and Survivor fan....but #1 greatest songwriter in the rock world is a Hell of a statement....and to put Cain at #2 for example, Cain has like 4 to one the amount of big tunes written and is still going.....Journey puts out an album it sells 500,000 plus...not 15,000 plus....and Survivor probably sold 50,000 of their last release....I just try to base my opinions on the WHOLE industry worldwide, not just this site....and I love this site....

My Opinion of course as well.....JV

I completely 100% stand by my claim that Jim Peterik is the #1 greatest songwriter in the Rock world.
But, I'm basing that on my opinion, what I like, what I think makes a song great. I'm not basing it on hit's or sales or how great other people consider the songs to be.

Don't get me wrong, Joe. I realize the tremendous importance of Frankie Sullivan's contributions to the songs of Survivor. In fact I even pointed out the importance of Frank's writing for toughening-up the songs. I will always consider the songs that Jim and frank wrote together to be the best work that either of them has done.

And basically everything that I just said above applies to Jonathan Cain as well, only substitute Schon in place of Sullivan in Journey's case. I'm going based on what I consider to be great songwriting.

And I respect your opinion 1000% my man....JV

[Ehwmatt]

I saw John Waite in concert last week...was hoping he would sing some bad english stuff...but he did not...

How was he overall? Still in good voice?

[Eyeof]

Yeah, actually he was pretty good. Looked about the same as always (of course not the teased up hair of the Bad English days)...but he was good.

He really didn't play long enough for my taste, but of the four vocally I think he was still the closest to his hey day...

[Eyeof]

What exactly happened with Waite and Cain? If i may ask...