Frankie Sets The Record Straight At Survivormusic.com

[Slander]

Frankie is candidly answering fans questions at Survivormusic.com in the bulletin board section. He has answered many questions that have been speculated on right here! He also says what I have been saying: you can't duplicate his work, it is a signature sound that is Vital to Survivor!

[Eyeof]

LOL...Imagine that....

"Not to toot my own horn but...BEEEEEP!!!!"

[axecrew]

How come you have time to post this yet not to answer a simple question of mine on the other thread? I'll ask it again on here....did you type out frankie's post in yours or did you cut and paste? Simple benign question.

[MarcelJordan]

Frankie is candidly answering fans questions at Survivormusic.com in the bulletin board section. He has answered many questions that have been speculated on right here! He also says what I have been saying: you can't duplicate his work, it is a signature sound that is Vital to Survivor!

Finally at his site he's actually answering q's.

[bulldog]

I am glad Frankie is answering questions . The truth is nobody can actually duplicate any of these guys work. They created the songs and made something special .

I wish Frankie would release new music . I think he should do like Jim Peterik and make a cd of just him singing and playing his own songs.

[Slander]

I am glad Frankie is answering questions . The truth is nobody can actually duplicate any of these guys work. They created the songs and made something special .

I wish Frankie would release new music . I think he should do like Jim Peterik and make a cd of just him singing and playing his own songs.

I agree. I would like to hear a blues cd from him!

[Jeremy Holiday]

I think an instrumental CD would be incredible, and have made that suggestion to Frankie. With his "singing" guitar tone, vocals are hardly necessary. Have him cut it with some really high end cats on bass, drums and organic keys.

[axecrew]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

[Joe Vana]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

I guess he should have said 95% of all their tunes and 100% of their hits.....

And....in my personal top 25 Survivor tunes none of those mentioned would make the list....

JMHO.....JV

[Joe Vana]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

[Tito]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

I guess he should have said 95% of all their tunes and 100% of their hits.....

And....in my personal top 25 Survivor tunes none of those mentioned would make the list....

JMHO.....JV

Somewhere In America and Nothing Can Shake Me are contenders for the Top 25...in my book. What Do You Really Think is one of their worst songs and may be the worst outright. The other 3 are middle of the pack.

[axecrew]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

We'll never know, but I can say that they haven't been a "hit" with only him at the helm now have they?
And btw....I'm not against all things sullivan, I'm against the continued mantra by slander and sullivan(to a lesser extent) that sullivan is and was the be all, end all when it comes to the band.
Do I think he's a douchbag....yes, but that comes from personal experience with him and not some aimless words of others.
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. People seem to have conviently forgotten that sullivan was invited to join Peterik's band....not the other way around. And that sullivan knew of them based on the song "Somewhere in America" as evidenced by his own words about their initial writing session" We were sitting there in his kitchen jamming together one morning, I started playing it, next thing you know we'd played the whole song." from the Ultimate Survivor liner notes in sullivan's own words.
I'm equally tired of hearing about what a saint sullivan is from slander and how he's had nothing to do with people leaving the band.....everyone who's left or been fired or whatever, it's always their fault and never sullivan's and should they say something? Well they're just jealous with sour grapes. Nevermind the FACT that Jamison and Peterik get along, Peterik and Bickler get along and Bickler and Jamison get along and none of them particularly like sullivan, they are all in the wrong according to slander!!! I mean according to slander....just this morning before 6am sullivan averted 2 major world disasters and managed to find time to save a small puppy from a raging river. How 'bout a little objectivity for a change??? That goes for you also joe....whatever your past beef with Peterik is, it has clouded your judgement about all things sullivan. It's no secret that there are some who find it a strange coincidence that sullivan is doing the new Mecca record for free and it's not designed to "get back" at Peterik or to one upmanship him since he did the 1st record. How dumb do people think we are?
I have never said that sullivan wasn't an important part of survivor in it's heyday, never will. But they've become a side project instead of his focus. And as for his comments about co-writing every survivor song hits or not, I can guarantee that while he contributed, the ideas came from Peterik. While sullivan helped flesh out the songs, the original ideas came from Peterik. I'd say that Reach would lend credibility to that notion.
Joe....you are extremely biased in your opinion of things and have let your situation with Jim clouded your objectivity. While I know you will deny this, others will agree.
Also as for the reason Jim leaving the band being that he wanted to front the band....Bullshit! Did he want a more focal presence, I'm sure he did. But I also think that the original plan was to have co-lead singers ala .38 Special. I think it's no coincidence that Peterik has co-written tons of stuff with those guys and that the song that "broke" them was written by Peterik/ Sullivan. Just makes common sense.

[Red13JoePa]

he's giving answers in a private place so we have no idea what in hell he's saying.

who the hell other than Slander is forking over coin to post there?

[jrnyman28]

Would love to see a transcript.

[Lark]

of course to hear the gospel according to FS, you have to pay $10 (i think, with inflation, may be more) and FS has to make a buck any way he can

missed you guys!

[Joe Vana]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

We'll never know, but I can say that they haven't been a "hit" with only him at the helm now have they?
And btw....I'm not against all things sullivan, I'm against the continued mantra by slander and sullivan(to a lesser extent) that sullivan is and was the be all, end all when it comes to the band.
Do I think he's a douchbag....yes, but that comes from personal experience with him and not some aimless words of others.
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. People seem to have conviently forgotten that sullivan was invited to join Peterik's band....not the other way around. And that sullivan knew of them based on the song "Somewhere in America" as evidenced by his own words about their initial writing session" We were sitting there in his kitchen jamming together one morning, I started playing it, next thing you know we'd played the whole song." from the Ultimate Survivor liner notes in sullivan's own words.
I'm equally tired of hearing about what a saint sullivan is from slander and how he's had nothing to do with people leaving the band.....everyone who's left or been fired or whatever, it's always their fault and never sullivan's and should they say something? Well they're just jealous with sour grapes. Nevermind the FACT that Jamison and Peterik get along, Peterik and Bickler get along and Bickler and Jamison get along and none of them particularly like sullivan, they are all in the wrong according to slander!!! I mean according to slander....just this morning before 6am sullivan averted 2 major world disasters and managed to find time to save a small puppy from a raging river. How 'bout a little objectivity for a change??? That goes for you also joe....whatever your past beef with Peterik is, it has clouded your judgement about all things sullivan. It's no secret that there are some who find it a strange coincidence that sullivan is doing the new Mecca record for free and it's not designed to "get back" at Peterik or to one upmanship him since he did the 1st record. How dumb do people think we are?
I have never said that sullivan wasn't an important part of survivor in it's heyday, never will. But they've become a side project instead of his focus. And as for his comments about co-writing every survivor song hits or not, I can guarantee that while he contributed, the ideas came from Peterik. While sullivan helped flesh out the songs, the original ideas came from Peterik. I'd say that Reach would lend credibility to that notion.
Joe....you are extremely biased in your opinion of things and have let your situation with Jim clouded your objectivity. While I know you will deny this, others will agree.
Also as for the reason Jim leaving the band being that he wanted to front the band....Bullshit! Did he want a more focal presence, I'm sure he did. But I also think that the original plan was to have co-lead singers ala .38 Special. I think it's no coincidence that Peterik has co-written tons of stuff with those guys and that the song that "broke" them was written by Peterik/ Sullivan. Just makes common sense.

Axe...howya doin....YES....I am biased....yes I AM....but it is the music man.....MY situation with JP I buried years ago.....I could care less, and so could he...as far as others thinking I am biased, well I just said I was!! but it is because of the music, not anything else....is FS one of my closest friends?? Yes, he is...I knew the FRank of old, BELIEVE me....but he is not that guy anymore....and in the past 4 years he has been amazing to me and my son, and my whole crew.....

I respect your opinion and your views...please respect mine as well....you of all people know I do not talk out of my ass on this stuff and would NEVER say anything unless I knew it to be true....and YES, that is why JP left....ask anyone who was in the band then and they will concur....When it happened I was crushed, JP was my hero and closest friend, and it killed me he was leaving Survivor....but I have always said, follow your bliss....He wants to front a band, and thats cool....people really dig his music and his voice.....I respectfully say his songwriting capabilities wayyy outweigh his vocals and music without FS.....my opinion, not biased more than just I don't dig it is all....I listen to Gabriel, Genesis and such now, not too much Survivor anymore.....

I like the fact you stick to your guns...and I will always stick to mine as well....

And if the new Survivor album sucks I will be the first to tell FS...but, I KNOW it won't

Enjoy the things that matter, and F^%$ the rest!!!

Take Care dudes.....(this is a complete sausagefest on this messageboard by the way)

JV

[Joe Vana]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

We'll never know, but I can say that they haven't been a "hit" with only him at the helm now have they?
And btw....I'm not against all things sullivan, I'm against the continued mantra by slander and sullivan(to a lesser extent) that sullivan is and was the be all, end all when it comes to the band.
Do I think he's a douchbag....yes, but that comes from personal experience with him and not some aimless words of others.
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. People seem to have conviently forgotten that sullivan was invited to join Peterik's band....not the other way around. And that sullivan knew of them based on the song "Somewhere in America" as evidenced by his own words about their initial writing session" We were sitting there in his kitchen jamming together one morning, I started playing it, next thing you know we'd played the whole song." from the Ultimate Survivor liner notes in sullivan's own words.
I'm equally tired of hearing about what a saint sullivan is from slander and how he's had nothing to do with people leaving the band.....everyone who's left or been fired or whatever, it's always their fault and never sullivan's and should they say something? Well they're just jealous with sour grapes. Nevermind the FACT that Jamison and Peterik get along, Peterik and Bickler get along and Bickler and Jamison get along and none of them particularly like sullivan, they are all in the wrong according to slander!!! I mean according to slander....just this morning before 6am sullivan averted 2 major world disasters and managed to find time to save a small puppy from a raging river. How 'bout a little objectivity for a change??? That goes for you also joe....whatever your past beef with Peterik is, it has clouded your judgement about all things sullivan. It's no secret that there are some who find it a strange coincidence that sullivan is doing the new Mecca record for free and it's not designed to "get back" at Peterik or to one upmanship him since he did the 1st record. How dumb do people think we are?
I have never said that sullivan wasn't an important part of survivor in it's heyday, never will. But they've become a side project instead of his focus. And as for his comments about co-writing every survivor song hits or not, I can guarantee that while he contributed, the ideas came from Peterik. While sullivan helped flesh out the songs, the original ideas came from Peterik. I'd say that Reach would lend credibility to that notion.
Joe....you are extremely biased in your opinion of things and have let your situation with Jim clouded your objectivity. While I know you will deny this, others will agree.
Also as for the reason Jim leaving the band being that he wanted to front the band....Bullshit! Did he want a more focal presence, I'm sure he did. But I also think that the original plan was to have co-lead singers ala .38 Special. I think it's no coincidence that Peterik has co-written tons of stuff with those guys and that the song that "broke" them was written by Peterik/ Sullivan. Just makes common sense.

By the way.....FS is helping with Mecca II (I am the producer he has co-produced a few tunes magically by the way....I wish he had more time!!) because I have spent 80,000 on this album and to pay him what he deserves would break the budget to Hell!!!

Choosing FS was in now way a slight to JP....JP did a GREAT job on Mecca 1....and I will never say different.....

JV

[axecrew]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

We'll never know, but I can say that they haven't been a "hit" with only him at the helm now have they?
And btw....I'm not against all things sullivan, I'm against the continued mantra by slander and sullivan(to a lesser extent) that sullivan is and was the be all, end all when it comes to the band.
Do I think he's a douchbag....yes, but that comes from personal experience with him and not some aimless words of others.
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. People seem to have conviently forgotten that sullivan was invited to join Peterik's band....not the other way around. And that sullivan knew of them based on the song "Somewhere in America" as evidenced by his own words about their initial writing session" We were sitting there in his kitchen jamming together one morning, I started playing it, next thing you know we'd played the whole song." from the Ultimate Survivor liner notes in sullivan's own words.
I'm equally tired of hearing about what a saint sullivan is from slander and how he's had nothing to do with people leaving the band.....everyone who's left or been fired or whatever, it's always their fault and never sullivan's and should they say something? Well they're just jealous with sour grapes. Nevermind the FACT that Jamison and Peterik get along, Peterik and Bickler get along and Bickler and Jamison get along and none of them particularly like sullivan, they are all in the wrong according to slander!!! I mean according to slander....just this morning before 6am sullivan averted 2 major world disasters and managed to find time to save a small puppy from a raging river. How 'bout a little objectivity for a change??? That goes for you also joe....whatever your past beef with Peterik is, it has clouded your judgement about all things sullivan. It's no secret that there are some who find it a strange coincidence that sullivan is doing the new Mecca record for free and it's not designed to "get back" at Peterik or to one upmanship him since he did the 1st record. How dumb do people think we are?
I have never said that sullivan wasn't an important part of survivor in it's heyday, never will. But they've become a side project instead of his focus. And as for his comments about co-writing every survivor song hits or not, I can guarantee that while he contributed, the ideas came from Peterik. While sullivan helped flesh out the songs, the original ideas came from Peterik. I'd say that Reach would lend credibility to that notion.
Joe....you are extremely biased in your opinion of things and have let your situation with Jim clouded your objectivity. While I know you will deny this, others will agree.
Also as for the reason Jim leaving the band being that he wanted to front the band....Bullshit! Did he want a more focal presence, I'm sure he did. But I also think that the original plan was to have co-lead singers ala .38 Special. I think it's no coincidence that Peterik has co-written tons of stuff with those guys and that the song that "broke" them was written by Peterik/ Sullivan. Just makes common sense.

Axe...howya doin....YES....I am biased....yes I AM....but it is the music man.....MY situation with JP I buried years ago.....I could care less, and so could he...as far as others thinking I am biased, well I just said I was!! but it is because of the music, not anything else....is FS one of my closest friends?? Yes, he is...I knew the FRank of old, BELIEVE me....but he is not that guy anymore....and in the past 4 years he has been amazing to me and my son, and my whole crew.....

I respect your opinion and your views...please respect mine as well....you of all people know I do not talk out of my ass on this stuff and would NEVER say anything unless I knew it to be true....and YES, that is why JP left....ask anyone who was in the band then and they will concur....When it happened I was crushed, JP was my hero and closest friend, and it killed me he was leaving Survivor....but I have always said, follow your bliss....He wants to front a band, and thats cool....people really dig his music and his voice.....I respectfully say his songwriting capabilities wayyy outweigh his vocals and music without FS.....my opinion, not biased more than just I don't dig it is all....I listen to Gabriel, Genesis and such now, not too much Survivor anymore.....

I like the fact you stick to your guns...and I will always stick to mine as well....

And if the new Survivor album sucks I will be the first to tell FS...but, I KNOW it won't

Enjoy the things that matter, and F^%$ the rest!!!

Take Care dudes.....(this is a complete sausagefest on this messageboard by the way)

JV

Same to ya.. Yes I will stick to my guns and so should all others. Until they are proven wrong that is, then it would be time to acknowledge that. some seem to have trouble with that.
What new survivor album???? At this rate we'll be listening to little sullivan spawn playing the greatest hits of daddy and his freinds before we see a new album. Weren't we "promised or guarenteed" a new album before '08 was over? I can equally guarentee you that any new album will not be a true survivor album because sullivan's writing isn't up to snuff compared to the old days and because in order to be a true survivor album, it has to have the main songwriters in survivor writing....and that ain't happening anytime soon now is it?

Glad to hear sullivan has changed.....good for him,but by changed are you saying he's no longer the " snowblinded" sullivan? Or is it some other change. I'm sure you understand my reference.

[Joe Vana]

No surprise here Slander still ignoring my question.....well I went to the frankie sullivan band site and found that slander cut and pasted what he wrote. Ok fine that means those are sullivan's words and not slander's interpetation of them. It also proves what I've said all along......francis "sue the world for breathing my air" sullivan is an egomaniac and a damn fucking liar! We all know he's an egomaniac so no shock there. But why is he a liar??? Take a look at the quote where he says" I am the co-writer of every survivor song"......really frankie????? What about "Somewhere in America" or "Love has got me" or "Nothing can shake me" or how 'bout "Chevy Nights" or Light of 1,000 smiles". Or maybe even from Caught in the Game the song "What do you really think?". Every single one of these songs appeared on Survivor albums and every single one was written by Peterik and only Peterik. What a tool!! Trying to take credit for something that isn't even his and thinking that the real fans are dumb enough to blindly believe him. Obviously there are some though I guess.

Also...it is interesting to see such opposing views.....Slander is 100 percent in defense if all that is FS.....and Axecrew who is 100 percent against anything FS....

So Axe....Survivor would have been huge without FS?????

JV

We'll never know, but I can say that they haven't been a "hit" with only him at the helm now have they?
And btw....I'm not against all things sullivan, I'm against the continued mantra by slander and sullivan(to a lesser extent) that sullivan is and was the be all, end all when it comes to the band.
Do I think he's a douchbag....yes, but that comes from personal experience with him and not some aimless words of others.
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. People seem to have conviently forgotten that sullivan was invited to join Peterik's band....not the other way around. And that sullivan knew of them based on the song "Somewhere in America" as evidenced by his own words about their initial writing session" We were sitting there in his kitchen jamming together one morning, I started playing it, next thing you know we'd played the whole song." from the Ultimate Survivor liner notes in sullivan's own words.
I'm equally tired of hearing about what a saint sullivan is from slander and how he's had nothing to do with people leaving the band.....everyone who's left or been fired or whatever, it's always their fault and never sullivan's and should they say something? Well they're just jealous with sour grapes. Nevermind the FACT that Jamison and Peterik get along, Peterik and Bickler get along and Bickler and Jamison get along and none of them particularly like sullivan, they are all in the wrong according to slander!!! I mean according to slander....just this morning before 6am sullivan averted 2 major world disasters and managed to find time to save a small puppy from a raging river. How 'bout a little objectivity for a change??? That goes for you also joe....whatever your past beef with Peterik is, it has clouded your judgement about all things sullivan. It's no secret that there are some who find it a strange coincidence that sullivan is doing the new Mecca record for free and it's not designed to "get back" at Peterik or to one upmanship him since he did the 1st record. How dumb do people think we are?
I have never said that sullivan wasn't an important part of survivor in it's heyday, never will. But they've become a side project instead of his focus. And as for his comments about co-writing every survivor song hits or not, I can guarantee that while he contributed, the ideas came from Peterik. While sullivan helped flesh out the songs, the original ideas came from Peterik. I'd say that Reach would lend credibility to that notion.
Joe....you are extremely biased in your opinion of things and have let your situation with Jim clouded your objectivity. While I know you will deny this, others will agree.
Also as for the reason Jim leaving the band being that he wanted to front the band....Bullshit! Did he want a more focal presence, I'm sure he did. But I also think that the original plan was to have co-lead singers ala .38 Special. I think it's no coincidence that Peterik has co-written tons of stuff with those guys and that the song that "broke" them was written by Peterik/ Sullivan. Just makes common sense.

Axe...howya doin....YES....I am biased....yes I AM....but it is the music man.....MY situation with JP I buried years ago.....I could care less, and so could he...as far as others thinking I am biased, well I just said I was!! but it is because of the music, not anything else....is FS one of my closest friends?? Yes, he is...I knew the FRank of old, BELIEVE me....but he is not that guy anymore....and in the past 4 years he has been amazing to me and my son, and my whole crew.....

I respect your opinion and your views...please respect mine as well....you of all people know I do not talk out of my ass on this stuff and would NEVER say anything unless I knew it to be true....and YES, that is why JP left....ask anyone who was in the band then and they will concur....When it happened I was crushed, JP was my hero and closest friend, and it killed me he was leaving Survivor....but I have always said, follow your bliss....He wants to front a band, and thats cool....people really dig his music and his voice.....I respectfully say his songwriting capabilities wayyy outweigh his vocals and music without FS.....my opinion, not biased more than just I don't dig it is all....I listen to Gabriel, Genesis and such now, not too much Survivor anymore.....

I like the fact you stick to your guns...and I will always stick to mine as well....

And if the new Survivor album sucks I will be the first to tell FS...but, I KNOW it won't

Enjoy the things that matter, and F^%$ the rest!!!

Take Care dudes.....(this is a complete sausagefest on this messageboard by the way)

JV

Same to ya.. Yes I will stick to my guns and so should all others. Until they are proven wrong that is, then it would be time to acknowledge that. some seem to have trouble with that.
What new survivor album???? At this rate we'll be listening to little sullivan spawn playing the greatest hits of daddy and his freinds before we see a new album. Weren't we "promised or guarenteed" a new album before '08 was over? I can equally guarentee you that any new album will not be a true survivor album because sullivan's writing isn't up to snuff compared to the old days and because in order to be a true survivor album, it has to have the main songwriters in survivor writing....and that ain't happening anytime soon now is it?

Glad to hear sullivan has changed.....good for him,but by changed are you saying he's no longer the " snowblinded" sullivan? Or is it some other change. I'm sure you understand my reference.

He truly is a great guy now...calm, introspective, and his creativity has not left him either....I wrote great stuff (IMO) with JP....and I am sure I will with FS as well....I yank the best out of my co-writers, and will always continue to do so.....the tunes I wrote with JP stand up well against anything he has written in the past 15 years....and if ya ask him that I am sure he would agree.....

Back to work!!

JV

[MarcelJordan]

Very interesting discussions going on there. Some interesting stuff you may not be aware of.


JV, got a pm for you.

[Slander]

[quote="axecrew"
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan. [/quote]

Who the f*** on this board ever said that? Axe you let your emotions cloud your judgment. All I ever said is that Frankies guitar playing is key to Survivor's signature sound. Is that really that hard to argue? I have been critical of FS many times on this board. I am objective and do not let my emotions get in the way of observation.

[Tito]

I knew the FRank of old, BELIEVE me....but he is not that guy anymore....and in the past 4 years he has been amazing to me and my son, and my whole crew.....JV

That sounds like this could make a good song. He should title it, "I'm Not That Man Anymore." Oh wait...


For the record, I don't have a problem with anyone associated with Survivor, past or present. I've never met Frank so I'm not sure how he is. Peterik and others, I have met...many times in Peterik's case and I have only good things to say. I do wish that one day, even if it's just a one off - I get to see the old Survivor one more time. Andrew make this the headliners for MR Fest 2. This would draw, especially in the Chicago area.

[Tito]

Glad to hear sullivan has changed.....good for him,but by changed are you saying he's no longer the " snowblinded" sullivan? Or is it some other change. I'm sure you understand my reference.

Is that a Styx reference? I hope so.

If not, I get it. Hey, it was the 80's.

[Slander]

Hey, it was the 80's.

No shit! I'm sure we were all perfect back then

[Slander]

he's giving answers in a private place so we have no idea what in hell he's saying.

who the hell other than Slander is forking over coin to post there?

Hi Red doesn't cost a thing to be on the Survivormusic BB. Some people from this BB are posting there as well. Good discussion too! It's actually about music. Imagine that.

[Red13JoePa]

Too much work to go there.

You're the reporter, bring back the details of Frankie's record clearing and truth standing up-for.

[axecrew]

[quote="axecrew"
As for the band....I'm tired of hearing how survivor was/is all frankie sullivan.

Who the f*** on this board ever said that? Axe you let your emotions cloud your judgment. All I ever said is that Frankies guitar playing is key to Survivor's signature sound. Is that really that hard to argue? I have been critical of FS many times on this board. I am objective and do not let my emotions get in the way of observation.[/quote]



Funny stuff...If you read the quoted post in slander's post you see I named no one. Slander even goes as far as to question who I'm talking about and how no one on the board ever said that. Then right after this he gets a persecussion complex and starts defending himself against..............? Sounds like someone has a guilty conscience. Maybe he's been thinking it, just not saying it? And of course we had to go into the "I've been critical of FS many times" crap, funny yet again 'cause no one mentioned that either, yet he finds the need to defend himself yet again.?????? If there's a clinical phyciatrist(sp) on the board maybe he/she can explain to us why this is.

[Tito]

Hey, it was the 80's.

No shit! I'm sure we were all perfect back then

Not to toot my own horn but I have NEVER done anything improper. Not to rant, but I think society is way too forgiving. Too much "no one's perfect," "We all make mistakes," or "Youthful indescretion (sp.)" excuses.

[Slander]

Too much work to go there.

You're the reporter, bring back the details of Frankie's record clearing and truth standing up-for.

Do it yourself red and make an effort. Oh I forgot you don't want to let facts get in the way of your opinions.

[Slander]

Not to toot my own horn but I have NEVER done anything improper.

Congrats!