Your thoughts?

[Joe Vana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSZMkJrfbQ

[Tito]

Outstanding! Excluding Peterik's skunk hair.

[Perrydise]

Outstanding! Excluding Peterik's skunk hair.

I'll second that!

[weatherman90]

His hair has definitely changed since last September when I met him!

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[Perrydise]

His hair has definitely changed since last September when I met him!

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Perhaps a long night before and an early morning?


Good pic btw weatherman.

[axecrew]

What I think isn't going to be too popular with some......I think that you just saw the "real" survivor. The voice and the main songwriter. With all due respect to Dave,whom I personally have never had a bad comment about, Jimi is the most recognizable voice of survivor and Jim was/still is the main songwriter. Yes sullivan was a major contributor,but anything the frankie sullivan band does will never measure up to that band.
You think frankie's got the wolves ready to sue that station for refering to Jim and Jimi as members of survivor and not ex-members as they were signing off?

BTW joe was going to ask you this in the other thread...What label is Mecca II coming out on?

[Joe Vana]

What I think isn't going to be too popular with some......I think that you just saw the "real" survivor. The voice and the main songwriter. With all due respect to Dave,whom I personally have never had a bad comment about, Jimi is the most recognizable voice of survivor and Jim was/still is the main songwriter. Yes sullivan was a major contributor,but anything the frankie sullivan band does will never measure up to that band.
You think frankie's got the wolves ready to sue that station for refering to Jim and Jimi as members of survivor and not ex-members as they were signing off?

BTW joe was going to ask you this in the other thread...What label is Mecca II coming out on?

Mecca II is on Frontiers....thanks for asking....

TO ME there is no "main" songwriter....95% of their tunes were Peterik/Sullivan....any thoughts different is a rewrite of history....I am a songwriter, worked with many many great guys, and even both of them...and I can tell you JP has NEVER said he was the main guy behind the songwriting during his tenure.....he always included FS as if they were both halves of a great apple...

We can debate this forever, but the facts are, FS and JP CO WROTE 95% of their songs and 100% of their hits....Survivor is a band that continues on WITHOUT JJ or JP, it is a viable brand and is a holdhold name all accross the world...

Lennon is dead, but MCartney does not go out there saying he was the sole writer of their hits...he always includes John because unless you have written songs before with a cowriter, and shared that experience and emotional sharing you can't understand the bond.....people may create scenarios in their own mind as to who wrote which part, but the reality is its a team sport....the White Sox did not win the World Series with one guy....ONLY his specific fans would think that....and they would be wrong...Chemistry is an amazing thing....and TOGETHER FS and JP are fucking MONSTERS....seperate they are songwriters....I Know the history, I know what really went on, I know the pain....but if I could get the two of them in a room with one guitar and one piano they would both come out of that room with a song far superior than they ever could alone....ever....and better than with 99% of the cowriters out there as well...

They had magic....they really did.....

JV

[axecrew]

Thanks for the reply joe.......I agree with a lot of what you said and yes together they were monsters. But having said that and taking a look at the stuff they've done with outside writers it's safe to say that Jim was the main idea guy. His stuff is far superior to anything sullivan has done since or without Jim around. No chance of ever getting them in the same room in the forseeable future as I'm sure you know.
The reason I ask about the label is Why are you bankrolling the expenses if it's coming out on Frontiers? Shouldn't they be doing that? Or did I misunderstand your comment about the $80,000.

[Joe Vana]

Thanks for the reply joe.......I agree with a lot of what you said and yes together they were monsters. But having said that and taking a look at the stuff they've done with outside writers it's safe to say that Jim was the main idea guy. His stuff is far superior to anything sullivan has done since or without Jim around. No chance of ever getting them in the same room in the forseeable future as I'm sure you know.
The reason I ask about the label is Why are you bankrolling the expenses if it's coming out on Frontiers? Shouldn't they be doing that? Or did I misunderstand your comment about the $80,000.

I bankroll it till its done and "in the can"....once it goes to Frontiers I begin recouping....all good though, I said 2 years ago I did not are if I lost money on this album, it is a passion, not an income stream.....

I have written with both of them....and been around them for years....they are equal in creative quality.....JP just writes wayy more tunes.....that is not an opinion, I have written alot with both....

JV

[Tito]

I Know the history, I know what really went on, I know the pain....but if I could get the two of them in a room with one guitar and one piano they would both come out of that room with a song far superior than they ever could alone....ever....and better than with 99% of the cowriters out there as well...
JV

Lets do it! Lets trick them if we have to. Invite Frankie to some place and have someone else invite JP to the same place (not knowing either will be there) and then locked them in that room. I'll help. I can see the neon lights and marquees across the world: Survivor tonight! With special guest Mecca (that's your reward for reuniting them).

[Tito]

Thanks for the reply joe.......I agree with a lot of what you said and yes together they were monsters. But having said that and taking a look at the stuff they've done with outside writers it's safe to say that Jim was the main idea guy. His stuff is far superior to anything sullivan has done since or without Jim around. No chance of ever getting them in the same room in the forseeable future as I'm sure you know.
The reason I ask about the label is Why are you bankrolling the expenses if it's coming out on Frontiers? Shouldn't they be doing that? Or did I misunderstand your comment about the $80,000.

I bankroll it till its done and "in the can"....once it goes to Frontiers I begin recouping....all good though, I said 2 years ago I did not are if I lost money on this album, it is a passion, not an income stream.....

I have written with both of them....and been around them for years....they are equal in creative quality.....JP just writes wayy more tunes.....that is not an opinion, I have written alot with both....

JV

Can I have some money?

I remember you saying (paraphrasing) Peterik writes 20 songs for every Sullivan song. It does seem like Peterik shits songs. Actually I think he writes more songs than he take dumps.

[Joe Vana]

Thanks for the reply joe.......I agree with a lot of what you said and yes together they were monsters. But having said that and taking a look at the stuff they've done with outside writers it's safe to say that Jim was the main idea guy. His stuff is far superior to anything sullivan has done since or without Jim around. No chance of ever getting them in the same room in the forseeable future as I'm sure you know.
The reason I ask about the label is Why are you bankrolling the expenses if it's coming out on Frontiers? Shouldn't they be doing that? Or did I misunderstand your comment about the $80,000.

I bankroll it till its done and "in the can"....once it goes to Frontiers I begin recouping....all good though, I said 2 years ago I did not are if I lost money on this album, it is a passion, not an income stream.....

I have written with both of them....and been around them for years....they are equal in creative quality.....JP just writes wayy more tunes.....that is not an opinion, I have written alot with both....

JV

Can I have some money?

I remember you saying (paraphrasing) Peterik writes 20 songs for every Sullivan song. It does seem like Peterik shits songs. Actually I think he writes more songs than he take dumps.

hahahahahahahah......

Jim is a prolific writer......FS writes when he feels like it....

He probably averages 50 tunes a year....times 12 years is 600 tunes without FS...Jim has done probably 30 albums in the past 15 years and FS has done 1.....BUT.....FS did the one album that I purchased....Reach........

I cannot fault JP for writing....his job is to sell tunes...and he is always working and has a GREAT work ethic.....a machine....

[MarcelJordan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSZMkJrfbQ

Not bad. Although, I didn't know EOTT was also in Crossroads Moments.

Seriously though, it would have been great to sing something from CM. Its a darn good album.

[Slander]

WYes sullivan was a major contributor,but anything the frankie sullivan band does will never measure up to that band.

Nor anything JJ and JP put out. It will never have that special element that FS brings. It's that signature Survivor sound. It's indisputable.

[axecrew]

Yes sullivan was a major contributor,but anything the frankie sullivan band does will never measure up to that band.

Nor anything JJ and JP put out. It will never have that special element that FS brings. It's that signature Survivor sound. It's indisputable.

Good God will you get over the fucking signature sound crap? Even when I say sullivan was a major contributor you want to argue....Will Jim and Jimi ever reach that height again, hard to say, BUT they don't have to, as they will not be judged against the name survivor. The frankie sullivan band will continue to be judged against the survivor legacy for the simple reason that they still have the name survivor attached to their music. So anything they do musically will automatically be judged against past releases. Maybe this is why sullivan is so hesitant to put out new material, he knows that without Peterik it will never be that signature survivor sound. Especially in light of the fact that reach bombed. And to cut you off at the pass....yes, Peterik contributed 2 songs to reach. 2 songs that were almost 15 years old and were completely reworked by sullivan from their original versions.
And besides, if you listen to the word on the street....Crossroad Moment sounds more like a survivor album than reach did/does.

[Slander]

Good God will you get over the fucking signature sound crap? Especially in light of the fact that reach bombed. ....Crossroad Moment sounds more like a survivor album than reach did/does.

Sorry don't let the facts get in the way of your argument bud. FS is responsible for that signature sound. I know it drives you f***ing nuts. Reach bombed? Actually my understanding is it sold pretty well for Frontiers. Oh by what about the sales figures for "Above The Storm?"

[Slander]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSZMkJrfbQ

Not bad. Although, I didn't know EOTT was also in Crossroads Moments.

Seriously though, it would have been great to sing something from CM. Its a darn good album.

Agreed. Why go out and promote a new album yet not sing a track from it?

[axecrew]

Good God will you get over the fucking signature sound crap? Especially in light of the fact that reach bombed. ....Crossroad Moment sounds more like a survivor album than reach did/does.

Sorry don't let the facts get in the way of your argument bud. FS is responsible for that signature sound. I know it drives you f***ing nuts. Reach bombed? Actually my understanding is it sold pretty well for Frontiers. Oh by what about the sales figures for "Above The Storm?"

WOW......just fucking WOW. Love the whole pick and choose. NO one person is responsible for any signature sound and I know it drives you fucking nuts to admit that Peterik had as much to do with that as your man-love did.
BTW what in your understanding is doing pretty well for Frontiers? How many? The fact that they couldn't even get a US distribution deal and it was relegated to being buried in Europe should just about tell you how well it did.
But don't let the facts confuse you. Above the Storm has nothing to do with anything, after all how can you compare a little solo album against an album from the world-wide multi-cultural superstars that is SURVIVOR.

[Slander]

Good God will you WOW......just fucking WOW. Love the whole pick and choose. NO one person is responsible for any signature sound and I know it drives you fucking nuts to admit that Peterik had as much to do with that as your man-love did.

JP was a part of it too! Of course. And I have said that repeatedly. Apart they can't capture the magic. It's that simple.

[Red13JoePa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSZMkJrfbQ

Jamison in FINE voice but just......strange; that track selection.

[MarcelJordan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgSZMkJrfbQ

Jamison in FINE voice but just......strange; that track selection.

Maybe this is what that radio stationed asked for? EOTT will always be associated with Survivor or former members of Survivor.

[Slander]

Above the Storm has nothing to do with anything, after all how can you compare a little solo album against an album from the world-wide multi-cultural superstars that is SURVIVOR.

You take Reach and you call it a bomb as some stab at FS abilities. Like if JP had been there it would have been a huge smash. It's bs and you know it is. I brought up Above The Storm because it is just as silly to say that album was a bomb! Which I never said and only asked for the sales figures out of curiosity. The bottom line these two great talents did their best work SO FAR together. Reach was not a bomb. It sold just fine for an album of it's genre. The place I bought it from said it was their number 1 album for a while.

Just so we get this straight, for the thousandth time. JP is great at what he does. I have all three POL albums, the first one is clearly the best. I bought Mecca because of JP and I bought Sunstorm with JLT because of JP. I wish Deep Purple would have had JP write on Masters of Slaves. Hell I may even by his jazz album. I show my respect for the man by buying his art. I enjoy his songwriting. The man knows how to throw a hook that's for damn sure but I think FS stands on his own just fine. Axe JP doesn't need your help. Damn you spout his resume at every turn. There's never been an argument out of me about what a great songwriter he is. Sometimes he hits, sometimes he misses! I admire his passion.

[axecrew]

Above the Storm has nothing to do with anything, after all how can you compare a little solo album against an album from the world-wide multi-cultural superstars that is SURVIVOR.

You take Reach and you call it a bomb as some stab at FS abilities. Like if JP had been there it would have been a huge smash. It's bs and you know it is. I brought up Above The Storm because it is just as silly to say that album was a bomb! Which I never said and only asked for the sales figures out of curiosity. The bottom line these two great talents did their best work SO FAR together. Reach was not a bomb. It sold just fine for an album of it's genre. The place I bought it from said it was their number 1 album for a while.

Just so we get this straight, for the thousandth time. JP is great at what he does. I have all three POL albums, the first one is clearly the best. I bought Mecca because of JP and I bought Sunstorm with JLT because of JP. I wish Deep Purple would have had JP write on Masters of Slaves. Hell I may even by his jazz album. I show my respect for the man by buying his art. I enjoy his songwriting. The man knows how to throw a hook that's for damn sure but I think FS stands on his own just fine. Axe JP doesn't need your help. Damn you spout his resume at every turn. There's never been an argument out of me about what a great songwriter he is. Sometimes he hits, sometimes he misses! I admire his passion.

I "spout" his resume in response to you and that stupid fucking "signature sound" crap every chance you get. As for my personal opinion.....I think "Above the Storm" blew can you be just as objective about reach?

[Slander]

I "spout" his resume in response to you and that stupid fucking "signature sound" crap every chance you get. As for my personal opinion.....I think "Above the Storm" blew can you be just as objective about reach?

FS does give Survivor a signature sound and it CAN'T be duplicated. To be honest they lost that sound after CITG. WSC is my least favorite Survivor album followed by Reach. Reach had some great tracks but was inconsistent.

[Eyeof]

The true signature sound as you guys say, left when Dave left the band...for me that is....and returned when he did and left again when he did....for me...

I'm not JJ bashing either...there is some good stuff on VS and THTS and even a little on WSC....but the sound i fell in love with has been gone so long, that it's almost silly that we still debate it...however the passion still exhibited here about it, shows just how strong it was...comercially viable or not...

[axecrew]

The true signature sound as you guys say, left when Dave left the band...for me that is....and returned when he did and left again when he did....for me...

I'm not JJ bashing either...there is some good stuff on VS and THTS and even a little on WSC....but the sound i fell in love with has been gone so long, that it's almost silly that we still debate it...however the passion still exhibited here about it, shows just how strong it was...comercially viable or not...

The only one who debates it is slander, all I've said is that Jim was the main songwriter. Then slander comes in and tells me that survivor would've sucked dick without sullivan and his guitar. But, hey I'll never win against slander as he is a "master".

[MarcelJordan]

The true signature sound as you guys say, left when Dave left the band...for me that is....and returned when he did and left again when he did....for me...

I'm not JJ bashing either...there is some good stuff on VS and THTS and even a little on WSC....but the sound i fell in love with has been gone so long, that it's almost silly that we still debate it...however the passion still exhibited here about it, shows just how strong it was...comercially viable or not...

I found VS very satisfying (JJ's vocals were just top notch), but I can agree with you, but to be really candid, the sound I also loved as well had faded.

[Slander]

[quote="axecrew"
Then slander comes in and tells me that survivor would've sucked dick without sullivan and his guitar. But, hey I'll never win against slander as he is a "master".[/quote]

Axe the only debate you have is with yourself. I never said the above. If you read my postings over the last two years I've given Peterik nothing but praise and said time and time again that the best work the two ever did was TOGETHER! You are making an argument where there is no argument to be made.

[Cheryl]

Yes, everyone wants Eye of The Tiger...Jimi has been in fine voice for year's.

Everyone seems to caught up in the business of the band...which is really nobody's business but their's.

I worked for Jimi before, during and past the reunion and you don't see me sitting here giving you inside information...coz it's nobody's business.

Let them do their thing and just enjoy whatever music comes out of anyone....

Joe...you've mentioned that you've written with JP and FS, what songs do you get songwriting credits on?
I should know this coz I usually read liner notes while listening to a cd for the first time...

....on Frank's old site he had a couple of like...blues tunes which I really liked....did you help to
write any of the hits? or the songs he had up on his site?

Everyone have a good weekend and put on your favorite Survivor cd and forget all the politics...just enjoy the tunes.

[url]http://www.cherylbattista.com

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[Red13JoePa]

What're you getting uptight about?
It's strange given the number of big hits Jamo has in his own voice that he would do Eye there.

It's like Hagar going on a radio show and covering a Dave-era song, you're like, "why?"