Survivor Playing Springtime Rockfest in Hamburg, Germany

[Slander]

Just saw Survivor announced another tour date this year. It looks like they will be playing Spring Time Rock Festival in Hamburg, Germany on April 30. Other bands include Blue Oyster Cult and Slade. Maybe they will be promoting the new album then. We can only hope.

[axecrew]

Well I'm sure they'll be promoting something there folks. Maybe the new frankie sullivan instructional video called "How to solo your way to immortality" or maybe they'll be promoting a new name change in the band "Frankie and the Crickets" because you can bet your ass it won't be new music that will be promoted. Because afterall in order to promote a new album you A) Have to have a label and B) Have to have an album to promote, of which this band has neither.

[jaxmanjoe]

I truly don't understand why some of you bother to read the Survivor boards. Do you guys also go into Catholic churches during mass and denounce the Pope and Jesus? Why don't all you haters just give it a rest. It's as if you troll this board waiting for someone to post a bit of news just so you can wipe your asses all over it. Grow up and if you think of something mean-spirited to say do us all a favor and do like other people do who don't like Survivor do and don't coming to this forum. You're either masochists or assholes, or both. Justin Bieber is looking for people of your maturity so why don't you follow him on twitter and leave us Survivor fans to our little bit of hope.

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

[Journey/Survivor]

I truly don't understand why some of you bother to read the Survivor boards. Do you guys also go into Catholic churches during mass and denounce the Pope and Jesus? Why don't all you haters just give it a rest. It's as if you troll this board waiting for someone to post a bit of news just so you can wipe your asses all over it. Grow up and if you think of something mean-spirited to say do us all a favor and do like other people do who don't like Survivor do and don't coming to this forum. You're either masochists or assholes, or both. Justin Bieber is looking for people of your maturity so why don't you follow him on twitter and leave us Survivor fans to our little bit of hope.

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

There have been times that I have been annoyed by some of the Frankie Sullivan bashing that goes on on here. I certainly do NOT agree with all of the bashing that Frankie has received on here by some posters.

But I also understand that there are a lot of people on this site that love Survivor music, and their tired of waiting for the band to actually do something, and first and foremost their tired of all of the lies that Frankie tries to trick us into believing!

I'm honestly one of the biggest Frankie Sullivan fans on the planet when it comes to his music!!! I think Frankie is tremendously talented in many different ways, and extremely underrated. I certainly don't consider Frankie to be the devil. I honestly want to respect the guy for more than just his music talent, I want to respect him as a human being too.

But let's face it.... the guy does lie his ass off to Survivor fans on a regular basis.

If Survivor can't find a label to release a new album of theirs, then be honest with us about that. If Survivor feel that they can't afford to record a new album, then be honest with us about that too. If Frankie and Robin feel that they need more time to perfect their new Survivor songs, then be honest about it.

But for fucks sake stop telling us that your on the verge of releasing a new album when you know damn well that nothings even close to happening with the band in the near future.

If Frankie would be totally honest with us for a change, then I guarantee that people would stop ripping on him all of the time.

[Slander]

Why don't all you haters just give it a rest. It's as if you troll this board waiting for someone to post a bit of news just so you can wipe your asses all over it. Grow up and if you think of something mean-spirited to say do us all a favor and do like other people do who don't like Survivor do and don't coming to this forum.
Joe

Well said Joe. I think it's not only predictable, it eff-ing pathetic.

[axecrew]

Maybe if all the kool aid drinkers would ease up about how great this guy is and how is single handedly the reason the band was even remotely popular, then maybe some of us would ease up also.

You come on here like lord god almighty and want to tell me and others what we can say and do.....who are you? I don't even know you.....what have you done?
I happen to count 2 former members of the band as friends and 1 of them is the guy who started the fucking band, not st sullivan. He was invited to join an existing band called "The Jim Peterik Band' they then changed the name to SURVIVOR....after frankie and dave were brought in. So thus they joined an existing band. In fact the name came from a story written about Jim Peterik in the liner notes of his solo album calling him a true survivor in rock and roll....thus the name.
Further more for your information......I was following this band when your mommy was still wiping your ass for you.
So Ive earned the right to my opinion.

[Eyeof]

No offense to anyone, but the last time I checked the title of the message board is Survivor/Jimi Jamison/Jim Peterik not Frankie Sullivan, not Robin McAuley, not McSurvivor or any of the like. It's a board about all that has been Survivor and despite what Frankie Sullivan and his vast team of scum bag lawyers will tell you, Survivor is more than Frankie Sullivan, whomever he chooses to allow in HIS band and all of his lies.

With that said, the last I checked this was an open board and forum for discussion and opinions and other than Andrew I'm not sure who has the right to tell anyone they are not needed or wanted? Honestly I think that post was a bit out of line. I have no beef with you Joe at all, but if you didn't like the post, you could have asserted your own advice and simply not responded right?

I don't think anyone of us wants to just come on here to just bash anything, but the simple fact is when someone lies to people constantly for decades on end, it tends to make those people angry. Perhaps for some this board is seen by some as a suitable place to vent that frustration. I don't feel its anyone's right (other than Andrew) to legislate who can and can not post in here or what they can and cannot post.

Just my opinion...

[Slander]

Maybe if all the kool aid drinkers would ease up about how great this guy is and how is single handedly the reason the band was even remotely popular, then maybe some of us would ease up also.

I don't think anyone has ever said what you stated above. Not even close.

[Slander]

I don't think anyone of us wants to just come on here to just bash anything, but the simple fact is when someone lies to people constantly for decades on end, it tends to make those people angry.
Just my opinion...

Hi Eyeof, I have always looked at you as a voice of reason and sanity on the bulletin board. I do think it speaks volumes when some people on the board turn a simple informational post about a concert date that I posted into a full scale attack on FS. What's the point? I thought it was interesting that Survivor was playing Germany. I didn't mean for the thread to turn into FS is this and FS is that. I for once would like to have a thread not end in name calling etc. Really my post had nothing to do with FS specifically.

[Eyeof]

I know what you mean, but all i'm saying is people are so frustrated that sadly enough it happens....

[Slander]

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

Agreed. I don't see why certain people just don't start a I hate FS thread and voice their frustrations there. Hell make it a separate bulletin board all together! That way, those of us who really dig the band don't have to sift through all of their emotional baggage and bullshit.

[DavidWT]

In a feeble attempt to bring this back on topic...

Who's in the band these days?
My guess is:
Frankie
Robin
Marc

Not sure about the rest. Anyone know?

[Joe Vana]

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

Agreed. I don't see why certain people just don't start a I hate FS thread and voice their frustrations there. Hell make it a separate bulletin board all together! That way, those of us who really dig the band don't have to sift through all of their emotional baggage and bullshit.

So...over the past 15 years....what do you have to listen to?? Reach???? Oh My.....I went through the old Survivormusic.com posts a while back when it was up....they had FIVE different albums DONE or ALMOST ready for release talked about on there over a period of years....and NOTHING came out.....then Reach came out with JP tunes on it as well when it was touted as a NEW album of ALL NEW songs....

I have sat here like everybody else...I worked happily with JP for 15 years and FS as recently as the Re-Entry sessions.....but man WTF....I was SOOO excited to work on material for a NEW Survivor album, The material was great...we were hitting on all cylinders then poof!!! I am better off just releasing those tunes on my own.....the FS/JV sessions...7 great tunes....oh well....

JP doing Jazz, FS doing Blues........

An AMAZING depth of material to choose from live...they could never run out of GREAT tunes....I was approached to do a Survivor Tribute band not long ago and play all their stuff....I just might now....the players were killer and at least people will hear these great tunes live....

Damn......JV

[Slander]

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

Agreed. I don't see why certain people just don't start a I hate FS thread and voice their frustrations there. Hell make it a separate bulletin board all together! That way, those of us who really dig the band don't have to sift through all of their emotional baggage and bullshit.

So...over the past 15 years....what do you have to listen to?? Reach???? Oh My.....I went through the old Survivormusic.com posts a while back when it was up....they had FIVE different albums DONE or ALMOST ready for release talked about on there over a period of years....and NOTHING came out.....then Reach came out with JP tunes on it as well when it was touted as a NEW album of ALL NEW songs....

I have sat here like everybody else...I worked happily with JP for 15 years and FS as recently as the Re-Entry sessions.....but man WTF....I was SOOO excited to work on material for a NEW Survivor album, The material was great...we were hitting on all cylinders then poof!!! I am better off just releasing those tunes on my own.....the FS/JV sessions...7 great tunes....oh well....

JP doing Jazz, FS doing Blues........

An AMAZING depth of material to choose from live...they could never run out of GREAT tunes....I was approached to do a Survivor Tribute band not long ago and play all their stuff....I just might now....the players were killer and at least people will hear these great tunes live....

Damn......JV

Hi JV, I'm not in disagreement with anything you have written. In fact, I was very excited to hear that you were working with FS. I felt we fans had a window into the sessions. We are all disappointed that nothing has come of the new material, having said that I think it's a damn shame that anytime something is posted on the bulletin board it turns into an attack on FS. I mean haven't we been down this road before? Seriously there should be just an anti-sullivan thread and be done with it. Hell maybe it should even be it's own bulletin board. I'm not defending Frankie at all here, just find the bashing predictable and unproductive.

[axecrew]

Hey joe.....yeah yeah I know need to call soon....You need to do the tribute thing man...at least then SOMEONE will be playing survivor music. Let me know if it goes down would love to see it.

[Eyeof]

A Survivor tribue band would have to be called: Broken Promises!

[Destiny]

..it is so sad to see that JV now lost his faith...this is point where I also start to not believe anymore..

[DavidWT]

I am better off just releasing those tunes on my own.....the FS/JV sessions...7 great tunes....oh well....

Sounds good to me, but would you actually be allowed to do that? I'm not sure how that works. If you wrote them FOR Survivor, do you retain any rights over them? If you do, then absolutely you should release them. Why let them just collect dust for nobody to hear? But it seems like the sort of situation that Frankie might try suing you for.

[Eyeof]

heck he's sued everyone else...actually being sued by FS puts you in pretty good company!

[jaxmanjoe]

I think the one thing we all kind of agree on, and that's why we're all here, is that the whole was more than the sum of the parts.

I think it would be nice, though, if someone is promoting Survivor, not to slam them. If someone is promoting Frankie, don't slam him. If you want to slam someone, create a thread, don't muck up someone else's thread with unrelated venom. It's useless and takes away from the point of the board, which is to celebrate all things Survivor, the band and the members separately.

A lot of us are not tight with the band like some of you and we still feel frustration but we're not here because we hate these guys. We're here because we love them. Where's a true Survivor fan to go if he can't come here to get some true camaraderie with fellow fans?

Jax

[Joe Vana]

heck he's sued everyone else...actually being sued by FS puts you in pretty good company!

I CO-wrote the tunes I spoke about, I can do ANYTHING with them I want....no need for permission....

I just wish things would have progressed the way I, and I am sure all of you would have liked....that ReEntry would have come out and they were touring to support it and onto the next album after that...

If wishing made it so....

If I hear anything new on the front that I can pass along I will....I never break confidence though, what I mean is if I get something that he doesn't mind me passing along I will....

Until then I guess we wait and see???

Tonefully......JV

[Slander]

If someone is promoting Frankie, don't slam him. If you want to slam someone, create a thread, don't muck up someone else's thread with unrelated venom. It's useless and takes away from the point of the board, which is to celebrate all things Survivor, the band and the members separately.

Wow couldn't have said that better.

[MarcelJordan]

We don't need you.

We don't want you.

No one wants you.

Joe

Agreed. I don't see why certain people just don't start a I hate FS thread and voice their frustrations there. Hell make it a separate bulletin board all together! That way, those of us who really dig the band don't have to sift through all of their emotional baggage and bullshit.

So...over the past 15 years....what do you have to listen to?? Reach???? Oh My.....I went through the old Survivormusic.com posts a while back when it was up....they had FIVE different albums DONE or ALMOST ready for release talked about on there over a period of years....and NOTHING came out.....then Reach came out with JP tunes on it as well when it was touted as a NEW album of ALL NEW songs....

I have sat here like everybody else...I worked happily with JP for 15 years and FS as recently as the Re-Entry sessions.....but man WTF....I was SOOO excited to work on material for a NEW Survivor album, The material was great...we were hitting on all cylinders then poof!!! I am better off just releasing those tunes on my own.....the FS/JV sessions...7 great tunes....oh well....

JP doing Jazz, FS doing Blues........

An AMAZING depth of material to choose from live...they could never run out of GREAT tunes....I was approached to do a Survivor Tribute band not long ago and play all their stuff....I just might now....the players were killer and at least people will hear these great tunes live....

Damn......JV

How does that work Joe? A Survivor Tribute band playing the tunes that Survivor is known for? So you'll get more billings than the present Survivor? Or this is sort of a back up support for the present Survivor kind of thing?

MJ

[Slander]

[quote="MarcelJordan"] The material was great...we were hitting on all cylinders then poof!!! I am better off just releasing those tunes on my own.....the FS/JV sessions...7 great tunes....oh well....
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HI JV,

Could have swore that all 7 songs had been recorded? Is that what FS. Is there wrangling over legalities? Is it a matter of a record deal? Does anyone really need a deal now with the internet? Don't bands have the ability put out records themselves? Sorry to be naive here but this crap doesn't make sense. I mean why spend the time recording the music if it's going to sit there and not see the light of day. I understand FS passion to play the blues, but why can't he do Survivor and that at the same time?

[kgdjpubs]

Is it a matter of a record deal? Does anyone really need a deal now with the internet? Don't bands have the ability put out records themselves? Sorry to be naive here but this crap doesn't make sense. I mean why spend the time recording the music if it's going to sit there and not see the light of day. I understand FS passion to play the blues, but why can't he do Survivor and that at the same time?

There could be the debate as to whether someone like Frontiers Records (who released the last album) is willing to sign Survivor with the current lineup that, at best, only vaguely resembles any previous incarnation of the band--especially after Reach underperformed. Regardless of the quality of the material (which may be very good), without Peterik, Jamison or even Bickler, and with a singer who only remotely sounds like the others, I don't know how much of a demand there is for Survivor.

Sure, FS can release any record he wants to by himself online, but the point of a record deal is distribution. There are a few bands that have survived rather well by doing it themselves, but that is a full-time job in itself getting the product out and marketed if you are going it alone. There's a reason most bands are signed to a label.

[Slander]

I don't know how much of a demand there is for Survivor.

Strongly disagree here. There are other name bands out there with line ups that don't even come close their original form who have record deals with smaller labels. Right? My guess is they can get a deal, just not the one FS would like. Which begs the question: Why not get the record deal and then start working on the tunes?

[kgdjpubs]

I don't know how much of a demand there is for Survivor.

Strongly disagree here. There are other name bands out there with line ups that don't even come close their original form who have record deals with smaller labels. Right?

Yes, but most of them have a bigger fanbase and can draw more people in to buy a cd. That said, if Giant can get a deal without Dann Huff, then Survivor probably could also.

My guess is they can get a deal, just not the one FS would like. Which begs the question: Why not get the record deal and then start working on the tunes?

Probably because he doesn't like the deal. If all you are going to do is sell 5,000 albums, there may not be much incentive to do anything. If there is no money to be made by recording, and no chance of getting anything on the radio, what's the point of doing a new cd?

Of course, none of this stops him from writing, but certainly affects the releasing part.

[Slander]

If there is no money to be made by recording, and no chance of getting anything on the radio, what's the point of doing a new cd?

I've known some artists that like putting their work out because they take pride in that and the money is secondary! Also what MelodicRock groups are getting radio airplay? Uh, none. Oh wait I did hear the new Journey and Foreigner on friggin' adult contemporary. Let's face it, this music does not exist to radio programmers.

[kgdjpubs]

If there is no money to be made by recording, and no chance of getting anything on the radio, what's the point of doing a new cd?

I've known some artists that like putting their work out because they take pride in that and the money is secondary! Also what MelodicRock groups are getting radio airplay? Uh, none. Oh wait I did hear the new Journey and Foreigner on friggin' adult contemporary. Let's face it, this music does not exist to radio programmers.

That's great, but it's a tremendous amount of work and expense to make an album that nobody listens to and you lose money on the whole thing. A lot of people create because they enjoy the process, but most of it boils down to the fact that there has to be some justification for going through that much hassle.

P.S. There is some amount of support in Europe/UK. Not great, but some amount. It's not like the US where you are pretty much dead in the water if you do melodic rock.

[Slander]

[quote="kgdjpubs"]
That's great, but it's a tremendous amount of work and expense to make an album that nobody listens to and you lose money on the whole thing. A lot of people create because they enjoy the process, but most of it boils down to the fact that there has to be some justification for going through that much hassle.
/quote]


Of course there is a tremendous amount of work that goes into an album. No disputing that. Who would listen to a new Survivor record? The fan base, and I for one think there are many of us. The justification for a new record is to satisfy those fans that got you to where you were in the first place and to stay somewhat relevant. Does anyone have sales figures on FRONTIERS? I keep hearing how REACH didn't sell well. Is that true? Relative to what? Previous Survivor records? It's a different time. You mean to tell me REACH sold less than the new JJ record or anything POL put out? No offense, but did JP's Lifeforce sell much? Maybe to hardcore JP fans? What about his last jazz album. Let's get real here. The Survivor name has value in itself. If memory serves me right, I believe REACH sold 35-40k? Is that correct? I'm basing this on postings by FS at the time the record came out. So before we start saying REACH didn't sell can we bring some hard numbers to the table. I'm sure someone has access to the information from FRONTIERS. Is it soundscan? I don't know but it's worth delving into. I for one am tired of hearing that no one bought REACH.