Rank These 3 Solos

[Journey/Survivor]

Rank these 3 Frankie Sullivan solos...

Take You On a Saturday
Children Of The Night
Caught In The Game

[Journey/Survivor]

Come on. No one?

[MarcelJordan]

Come on. No one?

Hold on.

Children of the Night just barely over Take You On A Saturday. Nothing wrong with CITG but the other two are more balanced tunes (imo).

COTN wins over TYOAS because the video is my fav from Survivor.

MJ

[Lionheart]

honestly the only i recall is the one from children of the night, it must be the best for me but anyway those are very different type of songs
"children of the night" is one of the heaviest survivor has done and caught in the game is a mid rocker
i love CHOTNIGHT

[Mikele]

CITG tops this chart, IMO
Anyhow, I feel the best solo, the perfect one, in Survivor history is on Burning heart

[Lionheart]

for me the best solo , or one of the best is on "REBEL SON" so expressive

[ForceInfinity]

I have a hard time rating any FS solo because there all consistently mediocre compared to other guitar solos from other bands. The thing with Survivor is that their music has never been that melodically or rhythmically complex. I mean most of their songs have the exact same drum beat with very basic guitars with a bass guitar that I can't even hear half the time with a couple catchy melodies with solos that I sorta snooze through. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Survivor, but that band has always been the sum of their parts being more than the individuals.

[Journey/Survivor]

I have a hard time rating any FS solo because there all consistently mediocre compared to other guitar solos from other bands. The thing with Survivor is that their music has never been that melodically or rhythmically complex. I mean most of their songs have the exact same drum beat with very basic guitars with a bass guitar that I can't even hear half the time with a couple catchy melodies with solos that I sorta snooze through. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Survivor, but that band has always been the sum of their parts being more than the individuals.

Sullivan is not a technical monster like some guitarists. However, I strongly disagree that most of his solos are mediocre. Even lacking some of the technique of many other guitarists, I feel there's a lot more to hold my interest in Sullivan's solos. Now, I don't rank his solos up there in general with those of Neal Schon. But Sullivan in my opinion has far more feeling and melody in his playing than most other guitarists. I generally prefer Sullivan's tone over that of most other guitarists.

Now, Mick Jones, who is one of my favorite riff and rhythm guitarists, he's a rather boring soloist most of the time.

[Mikele]

I have a hard time rating any FS solo because there all consistently mediocre compared to other guitar solos from other bands. The thing with Survivor is that their music has never been that melodically or rhythmically complex. I mean most of their songs have the exact same drum beat with very basic guitars with a bass guitar that I can't even hear half the time with a couple catchy melodies with solos that I sorta snooze through. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Survivor, but that band has always been the sum of their parts being more than the individuals.

Sullivan is not a technical monster like some guitarists. However, I strongly disagree that most of his solos are mediocre. Even lacking some of the technique of many other guitarists, I feel there's a lot more to hold my interest in Sullivan's solos. Now, I don't rank his solos up there in general with those of Neal Schon. But Sullivan in my opinion has far more feeling and melody in his playing than most other guitarists. I generally prefer Sullivan's tone over that of most other guitarists.

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now, this is something I totally agree with

[Idiosyncrasy]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

[Journey/Survivor]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

Other than Neal Schon, there aren't many guitar players that compare with Frankie Sullivan for having those solos that you can sing. Like I said, other than Schon, there aren't many guitarists that can play with the amount of feeling and melody that Sullivan does.

As for Sullivan's tone. Possibly the best guitar tone ever belongs to Neal Schon circa the Escape album. But IMO Frankie Sillivan's tone from Premonition through Vital Signs is up there as about as great of tone that there is.

I find his tone on When Seconds Count to be kind of inconsistent. There are times on WSC where his tone is perfect, like on Oceans, Keep It Right Here and Rebel son. But I'm not a huge fan of it on say the solo in How Much Love. I also love his tone during the solo in Can't Let You Go.

His tone on Too Hot To Sleep was a little more consistent than it was on WSC.

[Joe Vana]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

Other than Neal Schon, there aren't many guitar players that compare with Frankie Sullivan for having those solos that you can sing. Like I said, other than Schon, there aren't many guitarists that can play with the amount of feeling and melody that Sullivan does.

As for Sullivan's tone. Possibly the best guitar tone ever belongs to Neal Schon circa the Escape album. But IMO Frankie Sillivan's tone from Premonition through Vital Signs is up there as about as great of tone that there is.

I find his tone on When Seconds Count to be kind of inconsistent. There are times on WSC where his tone is perfect, like on Oceans, Keep It Right Here and Rebel son. But I'm not a huge fan of it on say the solo in How Much Love. I also love his tone during the solo in Can't Let You Go.

His tone on Too Hot To Sleep was a little more consistent than it was on WSC.

Check out Steve Lukather....smokes them both as far as singable solos.....that is why the biggest artists in history demanded he play on their albums....and FS is a great player.....I can appreciate being a Survivor fan, I am too....

Hope all is well!!!

JV

[Journey/Survivor]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

Other than Neal Schon, there aren't many guitar players that compare with Frankie Sullivan for having those solos that you can sing. Like I said, other than Schon, there aren't many guitarists that can play with the amount of feeling and melody that Sullivan does.

As for Sullivan's tone. Possibly the best guitar tone ever belongs to Neal Schon circa the Escape album. But IMO Frankie Sillivan's tone from Premonition through Vital Signs is up there as about as great of tone that there is.

I find his tone on When Seconds Count to be kind of inconsistent. There are times on WSC where his tone is perfect, like on Oceans, Keep It Right Here and Rebel son. But I'm not a huge fan of it on say the solo in How Much Love. I also love his tone during the solo in Can't Let You Go.

His tone on Too Hot To Sleep was a little more consistent than it was on WSC.

Check out Steve Lukather....smokes them both as far as singable solos.....that is why the biggest artists in history demanded he play on their albums....and FS is a good player, but not even close to those two guys (NS and SL).....I can appreciate being a Survivor fan, I am too....but I would personally not put them anywhere near in the same league...

Hope all is well!!!

JV

I love Steve Lukather's guitar playing. I have a bunch of Toto albums and two of his solo albums. I almost named him when I mentioned Schon. I disagree about Lukather having more singable solos that Schon. But my guess is that you've heard more of Lukather's work overall than I have, and I've heard more of Schon's work than you have overall?

Like I mentioned, I know that Sullivan isn't the technical player that Schon and Lukather are. Sullivan may be a better riff player than those two guys, though?

[Lionheart]

I disagree totally, i think Frankie Sullivan has more feeling than many guitar players and that counts more for me than playing in 3000 albums, i do not now very well Lukather apart from his work on Toto but i shurely know Frankie and i play guitar too, if you listen to songs like "Silver Girl","Summer Nights" "Rebel Girl" or "Jackie Dont Go" or their great Extended versions live album.. you will find melody and a feeling you cant explain,...personally i like him more that Neal Schon...because Frankie plays for the songs and for making them great, not just for the sake of individualism....

[Joe Vana]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

Other than Neal Schon, there aren't many guitar players that compare with Frankie Sullivan for having those solos that you can sing. Like I said, other than Schon, there aren't many guitarists that can play with the amount of feeling and melody that Sullivan does.

As for Sullivan's tone. Possibly the best guitar tone ever belongs to Neal Schon circa the Escape album. But IMO Frankie Sillivan's tone from Premonition through Vital Signs is up there as about as great of tone that there is.

I find his tone on When Seconds Count to be kind of inconsistent. There are times on WSC where his tone is perfect, like on Oceans, Keep It Right Here and Rebel son. But I'm not a huge fan of it on say the solo in How Much Love. I also love his tone during the solo in Can't Let You Go.

His tone on Too Hot To Sleep was a little more consistent than it was on WSC.

Check out Steve Lukather....smokes them both as far as singable solos.....that is why the biggest artists in history demanded he play on their albums....and FS is a good player, but not even close to those two guys (NS and SL).....I can appreciate being a Survivor fan, I am too....but I would personally not put them anywhere near in the same league...

Hope all is well!!!

JV

Sullivan may be a better riff player than those two guys, though?

NO!

[Journey/Survivor]

I think Frankie was great at coming up with memorable melodic lines. I think even Peterik talked about that in an interview - "guitar lines you can sing". No, he's not the most soulful or technical complex guitarist, and his guitar tone tends to be a little light/thin, but there's some lovely guitar melodic work on the old albums.

On the same topic, I really like his solo in 'Oceans'.

Other than Neal Schon, there aren't many guitar players that compare with Frankie Sullivan for having those solos that you can sing. Like I said, other than Schon, there aren't many guitarists that can play with the amount of feeling and melody that Sullivan does.

As for Sullivan's tone. Possibly the best guitar tone ever belongs to Neal Schon circa the Escape album. But IMO Frankie Sillivan's tone from Premonition through Vital Signs is up there as about as great of tone that there is.

I find his tone on When Seconds Count to be kind of inconsistent. There are times on WSC where his tone is perfect, like on Oceans, Keep It Right Here and Rebel son. But I'm not a huge fan of it on say the solo in How Much Love. I also love his tone during the solo in Can't Let You Go.

His tone on Too Hot To Sleep was a little more consistent than it was on WSC.

Check out Steve Lukather....smokes them both as far as singable solos.....that is why the biggest artists in history demanded he play on their albums....and FS is a good player, but not even close to those two guys (NS and SL).....I can appreciate being a Survivor fan, I am too....but I would personally not put them anywhere near in the same league...

Hope all is well!!!

JV

Sullivan may be a better riff player than those two guys, though?

NO!!!!!!!! Again....there is NOTHING he does better than those two, either technically, tonewise, feel , vibe or musically....he is a 8/10 player on the PRO level, those guys are 10's...Like comparing a really good college quarterback to Manning, Brady, Farve....ect.....

JV

Well who plays the best riffs is a matter of opinion that can't be proven one way or another. I do like Sullivan the best out of the 3 when it comes to riffs. And I'm as big of a Neal Schon fan as you'll ever find. And I love Lukather's playing too.

[Mikele]

I have no problem accepting JV' argument on Neal and Steve being better players than Frankie. You know music more than me and most likely can have a better perspective.
BUT, these players are not playing by themselves in their living room or at showcases, they're each in a different band made of people. Each with their own direction, production quality, writing style etcetc. And the guitar player just fits into that. In these terms, I think Frankie's guitar playing really stems out because it's magnified by the band ability to write songs with an amazing crescendo of feeling. There's this kind of vibe that I don't find in the vast majority of Journey catalog for example

[Joe Vana]

I disagree totally, i think Frankie Sullivan has more feeling than many guitar players and that counts more for me than playing in 3000 albums, i do not now very well Lukather apart from his work on Toto but i shurely know Frankie and i play guitar too, if you listen to songs like "Silver Girl","Summer Nights" "Rebel Girl" or "Jackie Dont Go" or their great Extended versions live album.. you will find melody and a feeling you cant explain,...personally i like him more that Neal Schon...because Frankie plays for the songs and for making them great, not just for the sake of individualism....

I am not going to get into a Fanboy arguement....FS is a wonderful player....but I would never say he as good as Luke, or NS.....and FS would tell you the same...I have sat in a room with BOTH guys.....for months with FS....and I know what he can do.....for Survivor he was The best guy on the planet....but as an overall player, outside the context of Survivor is another thing....I am sure his blues album will be great....plus I talked to him last night and he has a very cool project going...but the fanboy posts really are too much sometimes....

JMHO.....JV

[Lionheart]

ok, but first of all i never liked comparing musicians, but now that i know youre on the guitar world, what do you think of Jimi Bell...without thinking as a fan...i think his style reminds me of Frankie Sullivan but in a modern way