Augeri Question

[Abitaman]

Anybody want to give up a copy of Shy in trade?-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

Anybody want to give up a copy of Shy in trade?-ERIC

Eric, I am so sorry. I know I was going to trade with you. Let's work it out in PM.

[Abitaman]

Anybody want to give up a copy of Shy in trade?-ERIC

Eric, I am so sorry. I know I was going to trade with you. Let's work it out in PM.

Saw your post on the van halen unrealesed i started, want a copy of that?-ERIC

[Red13JoePa]

Eric, I KNOW you're working on gettin one of this year's shows, right (ppsst IRVINE since theCougar shit the bed and din't tape)

[Rockindeano]

Eric, I KNOW you're working on gettin one of this year's shows, right (ppsst IRVINE since theCougar shit the bed and din't tape)

Oh for Fucks' sake? I can say that, because I saw that Andrew said that, and he can say that, I should be able to say that

I am getting a ripped bootleg tomorrow. Will update you choads.

[yak]

Now, my understanding is that Journey can re-record their Perry-era hits for a live CD with only having to agree on royalties. But I am not sure how that pertains to studio versions. Perry, if I recall, DOES have say in how Journey represents themselves insofar as it pertains to him. If Journey is promoting itself using Perry's image, name, anything, then he has something to say about it.

Didn't Perry say in a recent interview that he is no longer tied to Journey? He made it sound as if he has absolutely no connection with them any longer. That would mean he's a fibbin' again?

Maybe the Perry attorneys put the screws to Journey, per Perry's request, and the band had no choice if they wanted to play/record the hits. And if Perry controls his image being used, as it was said to have been in the past, that means he knew they were using it, and he agreed to it.

[Rockindeano]

Didn't Perry say in a recent interview that he is no longer tied to Journey? He made it sound as if he has absolutely no connection with them any longer. That would mean he's a fibbin' again?.

In his little interview after WOF ceremony, I think he actually said he wasn't under contract anylonger. Now take that for what it's worth. He could wear black and tell you it's white.

[jrnyman28]

I am sure that, no matter what contracts or agreements may have expired, Perry is still in control of how the band represents themselves: ie. they must not allude, imply, depict Perry's involvement with Journey. And he still has rights over the music he helped create with the band. And IF there is a visual representation of any song that he helped contribute to the creation of (ie. DVD) then he has to give his approval on that as well.

[Rockindeano]

And IF there is a visual representation of any song that he helped contribute to the creation of (ie. DVD) then he has to give his approval on that as well.

You mean that if they put out a DVD of this tour, with his face on it, he approves it, right?

If so, why would the band ever depict him anywhere, anymore?

Clarify for me 28...

[jrnyman28]

No, I mean ANY dvd with songs Perry helped create, whether he is performing them or not, must be approved by Perry.

Jeremy can clarify better...




But remember, Perry insisted that the guys list the band member's names on all post-Perry material to avoid ANY confusion. That is the sort of thing he still "controls". I am sure there will never be a CD that is released using any hint of Perry or omission that he is not in the band.

[ohsherrie]

This is what Steve said in the Fan Asylum Q&A regarding his involvement with Journey:

"Question: Is there any truth to the new rumor that you and the band are getting back together this summer when Journey is on the road ?
SP: No, there is NO truth to that rumor. As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey. The band may be jamming this summer with "X" members, but I will not be one of them."

His only reference to a contract was that he was finally out of one that he had veen under since '78. I don't know it that pertained to Journey or Sony.

Why would they rerecord the classic material when it's still selling as it is better than anything they've done with the current lineup? Besides the illogic of it from a business standpoint, it would also be sort of like admitting the defeat of this lineup. As if they were saying "we can't beat anything we did with Steve Perry so we'll just redo that stuff and remarket it".

I don't see why anyone would want them to anyway. That would be like saying that people would have liked that music better if it was done by someone else. That music as we have come to love it wouldn't have existed if Steve hadn't been writing and singing it.

Maybe he should let them do it though, it could be the ultimate revenge(not that I'm saying he wants revenge). But regardless how bad the new recording was some of you would proclaim it to be brilliant.

[Abitaman]

This is what Steve said in the Fan Asylum Q&A regarding his involvement with Journey:

"Question: Is there any truth to the new rumor that you and the band are getting back together this summer when Journey is on the road ?
SP: No, there is NO truth to that rumor. As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey. The band may be jamming this summer with "X" members, but I will not be one of them."

His only reference to a contract was that he was finally out of one that he had veen under since '78. I don't know it that pertained to Journey or Sony.

Why would they rerecord the classic material when it's still selling as it is better than anything they've done with the current lineup? Besides the illogic of it from a business standpoint, it would also be sort of like admitting the defeat of this lineup. As if they were saying "we can't beat anything we did with Steve Perry so we'll just redo that stuff and remarket it".

I don't see why anyone would want them to anyway. That would be like saying that people would have liked that music better if it was done by someone else. That music as we have come to love it wouldn't have existed if Steve hadn't been writing and singing it.

Maybe he should let them do it though, it could be the ultimate revenge(not that I'm saying he wants revenge). But regardless how bad the new recording was some of you would proclaim it to be brilliant.

And if Perry went in and rerecorded classic Journey, and it really sucked, there would still be some out there that would say, that this is the most brillant masterpiece on the face of this earth. And if it didn't sell it is because of the times or that it's brillance blinded everone -ERIC

[Rockindeano]

And if Perry went in and rerecorded classic Journey, and it really sucked, there would still be some out there that would say, that this is the most brillant masterpiece on the face of this earth. And if it didn't sell it is because of the times or that it's brillance blinded everone -ERIC

Can you imagine Perry trying to sing his old catalog? Don't think it would sound very good at all. Tell ya what, Perry can go get his little stage buddies and re-record the past, and the current Journey will do the same..
In a heartbeat, without even listening, I'll take the latter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But regardless how bad the new recording was some of you would proclaim it to be brilliant.

The diverse nature of "Generations" reviews found on here would seem to belie that. The Journey fans on this site are quite candid and have at times critically assessed the pros/cons of everything ranging from concerts to cds to management..u name it.

Last I checked, the march-in-lockstep, everything is rainbowsN'sunshine uniform behavior is coming strictly from ur side.

[ohsherrie]

And if Perry went in and rerecorded classic Journey, and it really sucked, there would still be some out there that would say, that this is the most brillant masterpiece on the face of this earth. And if it didn't sell it is because of the times or that it's brillance blinded everone -ERIC

That too is undoubtedly true. There would be no more point though in Steve redoing it than for the band to. Why mess with perfection?

[Abitaman]

And if Perry went in and rerecorded classic Journey, and it really sucked, there would still be some out there that would say, that this is the most brillant masterpiece on the face of this earth. And if it didn't sell it is because of the times or that it's brillance blinded everone -ERIC

Can you imagine Perry trying to sing his old catalog? Don't think it would sound very good at all. Tell ya what, Perry can go get his little stage buddies and re-record the past, and the current Journey will do the same..
In a heartbeat, without even listening, I'll take the latter.

Same here! But, to be honest, I would like to here Perry come back. Even if it is the old Journey cat. Maybe redo the songs in a deeper more soulfull way.-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

Why would they rerecord the classic material

The only real reasons to do it: A)Because their fans would enjoy a new representation of the classic material, and B) to update the sound of those songs. Some of them are played differently live then on studio. It would be nice to hear that in a studio recording.

But we are mostly talking about a LIVE recording...so the simple answer is "Here is what we sound like now!"

[ohsherrie]

Last I checked, the march-in-lockstep, everything is rainbowsN'sunshine uniform behavior is coming strictly from ur side.

Well no Cause, that's not necessarily true. We don't all agree on all things Perry. If more people would really read what some of us say instead of just assuming we're being antagonistic they would know that. The only thing we all agree on is that we don't think there should be a Journey without him. There are even different levels of our convictions on that point.

Can you imagine Perry trying to sing his old catalog? Don't think it would sound very good at all. Tell ya what, Perry can go get his little stage buddies and re-record the past, and the current Journey will do the same..
In a heartbeat, without even listening, I'll take the latter.

And of course, I would take Perry's. Then we would have endless, fruitless arguements about it on this board. The Perry/Journey fans would probably say, like Abitaman said, that Steve's was soulful and vocally superior and most Schon fans would say that Neal's endless over-the-top riff dominance(making them his this time like he wasn't allowed to before)of the new ones was rock perfection.

[Rockindeano]

And of course, I would take Perry's. Then we would have endless, fruitless arguements about it on this board. The Perry/Journey fans would probably say, like Abitaman said, that Steve's was soulful and vocally superior and most Schon fans would say that Neal's endless over-the-top riff dominance(making them his this time like he wasn't allowed to before)of the new ones was rock perfection.

I would say as a Journey fan, that Augeri sounded better, Schon of course sounded better, and you guys cannot even compete..that's what I would say. I have seen Perry's guitar player on the NYC show..just a mile short of Neal, that's all.

You know what, I don't even respond to you guys anymore..It's so tired..Like the Brand New start poll...like that's not going to go down the same path..what a waste of type...