This forum...The End...(Updated)

[Marabelle]

Oh goodness! Look at what has happened now! I like the forum. It is lively animated funny and sometimes even serious. I don't take this stuff personal. It's the Internet! If you don't like it then I think you can just leave or just lurk or stand up for yourself and say what you have to say.
I usually don't take offense at statements made by others; usually I don't have time to read them but when I do and if it is mean spirited then I can have my say and move on. I know I don't know much about Journey or the Stephen but I do enjoy the debates and the arguments cause Journey is really nostalgia and the 80s. People like to have something they can argue about cause they have lived and experienced it. I will never have the knowledge others do about Journey and Mr. Espee. Quit complaining. People who don't like it here can always go to the predictable, boring and dull Back Talk where you get chastised and criticized for not following their rules and wanting to speak honestly. But that's life and you can take it or leave it. Here it is always an adventure.

[Angiekay]

My point is, neither of you complained(I respect the hell out of you Angie, for not being a wimp), and it was forgotten.

What the hell would(does)complaining do?! I'm sure that if you (or NIG or RED or whomever)have been here this long, Andrew already knows what buttheads you can be. If I jump into something I know full well what could be coming at me and I'm a big girl, I can defend myself(although I open my mouth before I think alot of time ) A lot of people around here need to figure that out. Can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen and sure as hell don't touch the stove!


BRING ON THE FLOWERS!

[jrnyman28]

While Deano may get over-the-top and out-of-line on many occassions, I will go on record now and say that if flowerDeano comes back I hope 'Drew leaves the board closed!


As for the rest of this topic, I would like to say that I am pissed that the board has been closed again. I am pissed that a few people ruined it for everyone. 'Drew is absolutely correct that if the board is to reopen, than alot of the lurkers need to participate more. And several individuals need to learn how to post in a more appropriate fashion. I know 'Drew does not censor, but that does not mean a little self-censorship is a bad thing.

I am glad Joe showed his true colors again so we will hopefully never have to deal with him again.

HOTS is still doing her best to "win" by getting the board shut down. I am almost positive that the main 'agenda' (although I hate that word, it is far too serious for this little internet world) of some posters is to eliminate any/every place where Perry can be criticized. (It obviously does not matter that Journey can and is equally criticized.)

I love this site. And the Journey Board is obviously my main "home". It feels like something is missing without being able to come here and discuss a band who is such a huge part of the musical community this site promotes.

Of course we will all respect Andrew's decision (we have no choice), but if the board is shut down I will be disappointed. Not in Andrew, but in the other members of our community that could not get their act together.

Andrew, I know you feel it is too much effort dealing with all the "complaints", PMs and trouble on this board. I certainly hope, if given the chance, that everyone can get their act together. While we may have our differences with the Styx Board, I do believe the members there have figured out how to respectfully disagree. That is what we need. But I do think it would be a good idea to have a moderator (other than yourself) to take on the burden of this forum. And maybe have a disclaimer that all complaints are to go through him/her. You could even go so far as to state that if someone PMs you (instead of the appointed mod) with a complaint about this forum that they get a holiday. Point Blank. This would free up your time so you are not babysitting this forum. Just a thought...maybe a bit extreme...but I think it is worth consideration. Sometimes it is better to give a little control to someone else. The stress relief alone could be worth it.

[Shadowsong]

Andrew, has asked for tolerance.
If there is any hope for this forum
we are going to have to drop the preconceived notion of sides.
Seems everything goes back to sides.

Drifting again assuming something said by one Perry fan is a universal side issue.

I took some time and thought and waded through the issues
trying to make some sense...

If a female Perry fan makes an unwarranted remark it is just there opinion just as much as any other remark that contains material of negative personal nature. I see it as one persons opinion & nothing else yet it opened up an entire debate judging Perry fans. We need to get away from this narrow sense of thought as it creates silly arguments.

A Journey Fan can still be a Perry fan and a Perry fan can still be a Journey fan.
I think someone mentioned nuts....

I don't know why nuts came up
I certainly like almonds & cashews...
I'm just trying to participate in a Journey Forum.

I like Coca Cola...you like Pepsi....goodness we can still converse at the same table can't we...

How about the UnCola....7 UP....no cola nuts....Ooooooohhhh!
or the other fruity cola...Dr Pepper...
I'm a pepper, you're a pepper....wouldn;t you love to be a pepper too...

Why can't we all just get along!

[JourneyTroll]

Rock 'n Deano. My statement to Andrew and not you is sincere. Please do not critique other people's responses that are being sent to Andrew. That is, find something else to do.

Nope. This is where the problem lies. There is NO WAY you and I can co-exist on any board, let alone this board. I have told McNiece that I will go away if he thinks it would be a good idea, but without sounding arrogant, I believe I offer much more to the conversation than you do.

I probably shouldn't have posted that last post, and should have let it pass, because he is no dummy. He can read, and read between the lines, and read through the bullshit.

See, I have admitted my mistakes. Andrew HAS gotten on me, and it was deserved. He has even banned me. I have been a an ass at times, and I am humble and man enough to admit it. You, meanwhile, have multiple names, admit to that in emails to Andrew, deny it here, and so forth.

The difference is I have apologized to the Board and to the owner, and promised to act more mature or leave altogether. You on the other hand, keep playing these Goddamned mind games. I would hope what is taking McNiece so long to decide is that he is working on a program to ban certain IP's. I hope to Hell that is the case.

My hat is off to the guy. MR-X is great. His front page is great. He obviously works his ass off on this site. The Journey board is coming back, I have no doubt. I hope to participate in it again. I know he wants it back. I just hope we can co-exist.

Spoken well,Dean..!


Ray

Hi Ray,

When you have a chance, please review all the post threads that have been locked. You will see that Rock 'n Deano, and not me caused them to be locked. Please go to the "I have a Dream" thread. In which, Deano dreams of killing me and wished AIDS on me. Another locked thread, Deano wants to have sex with my fiance on our wedding night.

Rock 'n Deano has a violent online personality towards almost every person on this site.

For the record, I never wished anything on Andrew's family so Rock 'n Deano please stop accusing me on saying something that Reardon did.

Let's all just wish Andrew the best and thank him for the Journey site while it lasted. We can only blame ourselves for its closure. Remember, the Journey site has been closed at least one other time, and we didn't learn then. We blew it, so we have to accept the consequences.

Several of the posters here on the Journey forum did nothing for the site to be closed such as Jrnyman28.

I'm sorry for my part over the years, and I am still not Reardon or any of his other usernames. Finally, I'm married in about a month, and I am very happy with my life away from the message boards.

Best with everything you do, Andrew!!!
Journeytroll

[chickpea]

As for the rest of this topic, I would like to say that I am pissed that the board has been closed again. I am pissed that a few people ruined it for everyone. 'Drew is absolutely correct that if the board is to reopen, than alot of the lurkers need to participate more. And several individuals need to learn how to post in a more appropriate fashion. I know 'Drew does not censor, but that does not mean a little self-censorship is a bad thing.

I'm a bigtime lurker. I would love to participate more. But when I did put myself out there and post...I think I had less than 10 posts at this time...I was told to "go eat a ding dong" and to "fuck off". I also was accused of being an "old poster with a new nic". Why would I want to continue posting when that's the greeting I got? I don't expect people to bow down and kiss my ass but I did nothing to deserve that other than present my opinion. I thought I was respectful in what I posted and never once did I disrespect anyone else's opinion but yet that's the type of responses I got. It didn't stop me from lurking but it did stop me from posting much.

I have never pm'd or emailed anyone about the responses I got. I laughed. It didn't mean that it didn't hurt my feelings or make me mad. I'm just not a tattle tale and didn't figure it was worth the effort of getting that upset about.

[Rockindeano]

I could swear Journeytroll dreams of me. The thing just is obsessed with me. Haha.

Not fighting anylonger. it is all out of my system.

Jesus, I think he lies so much, he is getting his lies confused and this lie that was told screwed up the last lie, in which that lie was covering at the time the other lie, which was a lie in the first place, and then the new lie helped out the other lie, and then those two lies got mixed up in another lie, which was forgotten until the other lie, lied about the earlier lie.

got that?

[JourneyTroll]

I could swear Journeytroll dreams of me. The thing just is obsessed with me. Haha.

Not fighting anylonger. it is all out of my system.

Jesus, I think he lies so much, he is getting his lies confused and this lie that was told screwed up the last lie, in which that lie was covering at the time the other lie, which was a lie in the first place, and then the new lie helped out the other lie, and then those two lies got mixed up in another lie, which was forgotten until the other lie, lied about the earlier lie.

got that?

Bye, Rock 'n Deano. I am not going to respond to you anymore in this forum.

Your hatred towards others is well documented. Review the locked threads for the proof.

Best wishes to Andrew in all he pursues.

Journeytroll

[Rockindeano]

Bye, Rock 'n Deano. I am not going to respond to you anymore in this forum.

Your hatred towards others is well documented. Review the locked threads for the proof.

Best wishes to Andrew in all he pursues.

Journeytroll

I can pretty much guarantee you that we both won't be allowed on the Board together. Andrew won't allow that. He will axe either one of us, or both.

[Paul_UK]

I want a trouble free forum or no forum at all.

If we're all honest, I think we all know that's never going to be the case as far as Journey/Perry fans are concerned...one just has to read this very thread alone for proof of that. Unbelievable.

Andrew, if i were you i'd just dedicate your time to the site and leave the Journey forum dead as disco...for your own sanity if nothing else! There is rarely any worthy chat on the forum regarding the band anymore and any decent thread more often than not turned into yet another pathetic war of words with rival fans.

Over and over you warned and it fell on deaf ears, and for once you actually made good on your promise to close the forum and total respect for that as i'm sure it wasn't a decision taken lightly. However, having said that i'm sure that i'll log on tomorrow to find that your decision is to give in to the children on here and open the playground once again.

[NealIsGod]

If we're all honest, I think we all know that's never going to be the case as far as Journey/Perry fans are concerned...one just has to read this very thread alone for proof of that. Unbelievable.

Really? I disagree. This thread is shining a bright light on the very few who live to disrupt this place.

[Paul_UK]

If we're all honest, I think we all know that's never going to be the case as far as Journey/Perry fans are concerned...one just has to read this very thread alone for proof of that. Unbelievable.

Really? I disagree. This thread is shining a bright light on the very few who live to disrupt this place.

Hmm, perhaps. I guess only time will tell how things go when the forum re-opens.

[yak]

They could dish it out, but they couldn't take it, and that refers to you Yak, you little weenie.

Ummm...no...you must be thinking of somebody else...I don't post and run.....

*a-hem*...My claim to fame has NEVER been searching to find Steve Perry's mother's Death Certificate....*a-hem*

Good Luck Andrew. Whatever you decide. The truth is they will never stop baiting us, and we will never stop defending our point of view.

[jrnyman28]

However, having said that i'm sure that i'll log on tomorrow to find that your decision is to give in to the children on here and open the playground once again.

Are you trying "reverse psychology" there or something?

[Paul_UK]

However, having said that i'm sure that i'll log on tomorrow to find that your decision is to give in to the children on here and open the playground once again.

Are you trying "reverse psychology" there or something?

Good lord no, i'm not that clever!!

I don't know, I just think if Andrew really wanted to close the forum permanently he would have and that would have been that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

At one point this forum was a place where actual discussions could take place.

Out of which you contributed positively ZERO.
Talk is cheap when waxing bombastically from high atop the temple mount.
Bring your sanctimonious keester down here once or twice, and actually dust it up with one us.
Then maybe you can earn the right to comment.

As it is, if you don't contribute, then don't bewail the lack of content on this forum.

[ohsherrie]

There's really nothing I can say except do what you feel you have to Andrew.

If I offer any defense in regard to the Perry fans(not all, but some)who have been blatantly persecuted on this forum it will only be met with more of the same old degrading and completely unfair backlash that we have experienced at the hands of a few of these guys.

There are a few Journey fans on here that I thought I had started to have a real dialogue with. In fact, I still listen to Arrival and Generations occasionally because I like some of the music. The problem was that it wasn't good enough for some. They wanted the fighting rather than the discussion. Antagonism between the factions has acctually been courted by members of the Journey camp(even to the point of starting entire threads devoted to it and bringing old info from other boards)and that has been allowed, whereas response by the Perry camp has been considered incendiary.

Oh well, it's all water under the proverbial bridge now.

Andrew, I can only think of one email to you that I can see now was accusatory. That was the first time you closed this forum because you thought the Perry fans were causing the problems. I regretted that, and I still do, because I thought it may have put me into a catagory of militance that I didn't want to be in. I have emailed and/or pm'd you since, but only when I thought there was something relevant that I should tell you. I'm sorry if my intentions were misinterpreted.

I haven't been around here much lately, and chances are that I won't be in the near future, but whatever your decision I respect it. I can't believe you put up with it this long.

Thanks for the memories,
Ohsherrie

(Whether you people want to believe it or not, I've never posted, emailed, or pm'd under any other name. I can't however say that no one else has ever posted under the ohsherrie nic on other boards. I admit to my opinions even if I later come to regret them.)

[Demontooth]

Why not ban or suspend the offenders and be done with it?

[Andrew]

Nope. This is where the problem lies. There is NO WAY you and I can co-exist on any board, let alone this board. I have told McNiece that I will go away if he thinks it would be a good idea, but without sounding arrogant, I believe I offer much more to the conversation than you do. .

I agree with you Deano, you do offer more.

But part of what you offer is this kind of bullshit and that is not something I want on this board.

If you can't play by my rules, you will have to leave.

[jrnyman28]

Hey guys, we made the front page news!! Sorry Andrew.

[Abitaman]

Oh man, I off line for 3 days and BAM!!!!
I take it I missed a lot.
I probably added some to the fire. i tried to stay true to what I believe as a Christian and other people. But it is hard to some time. Anyone I offended, I do apologize.
Hope you do open the board back up Andrew. I still be at the Styx board, see you there or PM or email me at abitaman205@yahoo.com Talk to you later-ERIC

[Jeremey]

Keep in touch everyone, and hopefully I'll see some of you on the road this summer....For regular Frontiers updates check out our news site:

www.journeytributeband.com/news.htm

Adios, muchachos!

Jeremey

[LAWoman]

I scan the topics a couple times per week to see if there is anything noteworthy, however, it is sad to say that in my opinion this forum has became basically irrelevant as a source of actual discussion or information relating to Journey, the band.

Well, this is where I am confused.

This forum, when there is activity on the band, is by far the BEST source of info anywhere on the Net. We have some of the most knowledgeable people on the band right here. We know more than BT does and it's moderators!

There are only about 5 people here, who ever start a thread. The rest of you critique us, that you don't like the topic at hand. It's like the people who actually try to kick start the board, are being evaluated on the topic. Look, there isn't much happening right now. We posted some silly threads, like "Gay" or "looka like" but that was done in fun. Once the tour starts, there wouldn't be that kind of thing happening.

I find it funny, the people who don't like the threads are the people complaining. tell you what; Either YOU start a thread, or simply ignore the ones you have no interest in.

LAWoman, you can always go over to BT and play Head2Head for the 4,783rd time....or talk about "letting Ross feel the love"and talk about how Only the Young was played in your hometown Lowes, I don't care. That kind of crap is insulting. I myself, think I have created some noteworthy threads, and yes, some idiotic ones. TNC, the same. Outside us, who really ever "thinks up something?"

Instead of bashing those that DO post something, to enable us to talk about anything, feel free to think for yourselves and create a thread, or simply ignore the ones you don't like.

This is typical. It is always turned into a person issue. I didn't mention BT. I find it ironic (and hypocritical) that you don't see this forum has all the same features that you complain about with BT. H2H is irrelevant (and I never read it), but at least innocuous. The polls here about the worst something or other or who should be banned, etc. etc. is the same thing, just negative. Personal insults and negativity seem to equal "free speech" here. If you want that--fine create your own nest in cyberspace where you can be the dark BT.

As for ignoring the negative threads here, it is impossible to avoid the personal insults and negativity here because any thread that even seems to be on a valid topic inevitably is laced with personal insults. Hence, this place is largely irrelevant to me (my opinion, not yours and I suppose Andrew was encouraging opinions or else I fail to see why he started this thread or left it open). You are correct, though, that a mere handful of people start threads here and there are probably all of 20 people who are even involved in this forum (maybe less if people have multiple names) in total. As for this forum being the best source on then net--actually MR is a very nice source, but this forum is not unlike any of the others. I am interested in the band Journey, not personal posters who may or may not have any credible info about anything. Good luck to you.

[LAWoman]

At one point this forum was a place where actual discussions could take place.

Out of which you contributed positively ZERO.
Talk is cheap when waxing bombastically from high atop the temple mount.
Bring your sanctimonious keester down here once or twice, and actually dust it up with one us.
Then maybe you can earn the right to comment.

As it is, if you don't contribute, then don't bewail the lack of content on this forum.

Again--typical personal insults and indicitive why there is not even a point of coming here anymore. You must be new to this place if you do not recall the discussions. I have no desire to discuss anything with someone who thinks people have to "earn the right to comment" in cyberspace. I do not intent to contribute to your negative delights. Good luck to you with that outlook.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have no desire to discuss anything with someone who thinks people have to "earn the right to comment" in cyberspace.

When it comes to opining on the overall well-being of this forum, you're damn right I feel that way.
If you never bothered to add anything to the forum discourse, then don't complain about it's faults.
Maybe if you had been a regular contributor, down and dirty in the trenches with us all, maybe then I'd feel otherwise.
However, as it currently stands, your just engaging in monday morning quarterbacking.
Now amscray.

[Shadowsong]

I don;t know
I might be wrong
But I really think
we are all bigger than these petty issues
Why can't we just live and let live....
The only wrong
is to let this forum die
because we can't act like respectful adults!

[Shadowsong]

If not here
where can we bear our souls

The Perryless Journey
Searching for a voice
To lift our hearts
To speak to our souls...

who will understand as we wonder this earth
the forgotten ones
searching
singing
holding these tunes dear to our hearts?????
Looking up to the sky
Calling out to Andrew....
WHY?



I know...
I need humor sometimes to deal with these things that way heavy...
For if we can not smile in our hearts
What good is life for????

[jrNY]

I will never understand why people come to a message board if they are so offended by it. It has been said everyway possible that if you don't like the board or topic don't come here. I think some of you take this stuff way too serious.

This board has everything -- good information, humor, drama and is just plain fun. However, if you are a really sensitive person maybe it is not for you. I personally love it and wouldn't want it any other way. There are way too many Journey forums with absolutely nothing being said. This one is refreshingly honest.

[NealIsGod]

I will never understand why people come to a message board if they are so offended by it. It has been said everyway possible that if you don't like the board or topic don't come here. I think some of you take this stuff way too serious.

This board has everything -- good information, humor, drama and is just plain fun. However, if you are a really sensitive person maybe it is not for you. I personally love it and wouldn't want it any other way. There are way too many Journey forums with absolutely nothing being said. This one is refreshingly honest.

I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.