At the risk of revealing my buffoon status...

[Moon Beam]

Hey RossValoryRocks I gotta tell ya something just
so you know............
Dean'o uses profanities like some have a stutter.
it's not always intentional so much as part of him
that is in the nature of his being.
Dean'o if I'm wrong kiss my ars that's what I see man.


Edited to add:
Oh Sheet I forgot to add I like that aspect of you at
certain times.

[augeri1]

Why the need to block files?

Are you quite sure it's JOURNEY blocking your files? It's more likely to be fans who disagree with you.

Journey didn't block his files, I did, easy as pie. They don't even know his name, he's a bug on a windshield.

Illegal is Illegal. Fact is fact, truth is truth, and lies are lies.

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1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
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[Rockindeano]

Then why did you block them sweetheart? Is there something wrong with the music? Is there something you don't want the wondewrful fans to hear? Seriously, tell me why you would block the wave of Journey Music to the masses?

And don't give me the illegal issue bullshit. We have all traded boots.

I cannot wait to hear this.

[RossValoryRocks]

Then why did you block them sweetheart? Is there something wrong with the music? Is there something you don't want the wondewrful fans to hear? Seriously, tell me why you would block the wave of Journey Music to the masses?

And don't give me the illegal issue bullshit. We have all traded boots.

I cannot wait to hear this.

Well she didn't block them long enough...I downloaded them. They showed NOTHING. I even put them through some audio analysis that stripped everything but the vocals and then ran a comparision and none of the vocals are near exact as you say they are.

But I am sure you have more proof.

[augeri1]

Then why did you block them sweetheart? Is there something wrong with the music? Is there something you don't want the wondewrful fans to hear? Seriously, tell me why you would block the wave of Journey Music to the masses?

And don't give me the illegal issue bullshit. We have all traded boots.

I cannot wait to hear this.

ya know, you really are toying with my emotions here Big D..one week I'm a pussy, the next I'm a lying pig, now I'm sweetheart?

Illegal is Illegal. Fact is fact, truth is truth, and lies are lies.

ALL LIES..and if you were smart you would know it's illegal..not only illegal because they are boots, but because your not so bright ass is uploading free music downloads to the public that the band has not authorized...ILLEGAL..get a clue dude.

[Rockindeano]

Bootlegs are NOT illegal

Again, stop spinning. You cannot tell me why you blocked them. Aw, never mind, you are going to get drilled in your fat ass come Monday or Tuesday.

[Liam]

ALL LIES..and if you were smart you would know it's illegal..not only illegal because they are boots, but because your not so bright ass is uploading free music downloads to the public that the band has not authorized...ILLEGAL..get a clue dude.[/quote]

That's just the thing though....the band HASN'T authorized it and Dean is NOT charging for us to hear it so what you said is a moot point.
Sorry...had to chime in on this one.
And one other thing....WHY THE HELL are we not waiting for an ACTUAL WORD on what's going on/going to happen??
There are a LOT of emotions here on ALL sides...TRUST ME...I know. This has been one of my favorite bands since birth and it pains me to think that this is an issue. But let's just cool off until and official word is brought to the table.
Laters

[JrnySuxBalls]

That's just the thing though....the band HASN'T authorized it and Dean is NOT charging for us to hear it so what you said is a moot point.

Exactly. No money is being exchanged, so then it becomes TRADING.

[RossValoryRocks]

That's just the thing though....the band HASN'T authorized it and Dean is NOT charging for us to hear it so what you said is a moot point.

Exactly. No money is being exchanged, so then it becomes TRADING.

Oh really? Better check again folks:

United States Code, Title 17, "the Copyright Act"
Section 1101(b)
This section specifically addresses "Unauthorized fixation and trafficking in sound recordings and music videos". Here is the section in full and my comments:
§ 1101. Unauthorized fixation and trafficking in sound recordings and music videos

(a) Unauthorized Acts. - Anyone who, without the consent of the performer or
performers involved -
(1) fixes the sounds or sounds and images of a live musical performance
in a copy or phonorecord, or reproduces copies or phonorecords of such
a performance from an unauthorized fixation,
(2) transmits or otherwise communicates to the public the sounds or
sounds and images of a live musical performance, or
(3) distributes or offers to distribute, sells or offers to sell, rents
or offers to rent, or traffics in any copy or phonorecord fixed as
described in paragraph (1), regardless of whether the fixations occurred
in the United States, shall be subject to the remedies provided in
sections 502 through 505, to the same extent as an infringer of
copyright.
(b) Definition. - As used in this section, the term "traffic in" means
transport, transfer, or otherwise dispose of, to another, as consideration
for anything of value, or make or obtain control of with intent to transport,
transfer, or dispose of.
(c) Applicability. - This section shall apply to any act or acts that occur
on or after the date of the enactment of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act.
(d) State Law Not Preempted. - Nothing in this section may be construed to
annul or limit any rights or remedies under the common law or statutes of
any State.

Note sections 1 and 2.

You don't have SELL them to for them to be illegal...you just have to distribute them.

[Liam]

So basically...anyone who had/had boots are fucked? I HIGHLY doubt it. Boots have been happening since music was able to be recorded. Did you d.l the ones from Dean? If so...you're kinda screwed too. BUT...just for the hell of it...Tell me...how'd Dean GET these??? I look at it as TRADING.

And these were NOT DOCTORED boots.

[Moon Beam]

I compliment the SOB and he completely diss's
me man.
Holla Dean'o can't even break for a compliment.
Damn you be a dawg wit da bone!

[RossValoryRocks]

So basically...anyone who had/had boots are fucked? I HIGHLY doubt it. Boots have been happening since music was able to be recorded. Did you d.l the ones from Dean? If so...you're kinda screwed too. BUT...just for the hell of it...Tell me...how'd Dean GET these??? I look at it as TRADING.

And these were NOT DOCTORED boots.

So you say about the doctoring, but that is neither here nor there. But then again, are you an expert on audio???? If you are then you can say that with 100% certainty, otherwise it is your opinion and it holds about as much weight with me as my opinion does with you. I didn't hear what you and Dean seem to have heard, but everyone is different.

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it isn't illegal. A band can choose to do as it wishes, as can a company like yousendit, in regards to the US copyright act.

If they choose to prosecute the can, if yousendit chooses to abide by the law then they can pull it down if they choose and have been made aware of it.

You can look at how you want, I just pointed out the law, how you choose to see it is your own affair.

As for me downloading the boots, technically I am in violation of the Copyright act, but it would be up to Journey to drag me into court, and I don't think that would happen to me.

Sometimes it's now what you know but who you know.

[Moon Beam]

[quote="augeri1"]and the risk of getting banned, as it seems just those that are new and like to mud sling are the only one's in danger when they post...I guess I'm on a tight leash along with a couple of others...I shall try to be civil in regards to my post...but no promises because I do have much to say.

I find it pathetic that people are allowed to sling mud, trash people who disagree (oh I'm sorry, make that "debate") with them, threaten, belittle and out in out verbally abuse members for stating their opinions...YET when we throw it back in the same fashion it was thrown at us...we're called troublemakers, shit stirrers (LOFL), buffoons and everything else you can think of. The newbies simply came here to defend Steve & the band and in some cases, friends...simply posting your thoughts got you nothing but threats and verbal abuse..so because we haven't proven our worthiness to be a respected member...we should turn the other cheek? Not when lies are being posting about a man who has taken and taken crap over the past 8 years..and with much class I gotta say..I for one would've told all perryheads to bite my ass and bark at the hole...he doesn't deserve it, so yeah, we fight back...just as much our right as your so called freedom of speech is..yet it's gone far and beyond freedom of speech folks..FAR!
quote]

You know what?.......I'm sorry you put so much effort into
this post because right after the above paragraph you
lost my interest.
My three year old son has held it better most days with
his babble.......thanks for playing, come again.
Oh and by the way I'm glad you decided to join us!


Damn straight I'd be happy if I could get this editing sheet
down pat...........Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[JrnySuxBalls]

Then tell me why trading communties are not shut down?

Because NO money is taken from the artist. If you were to sell a show on
Ebay for example, that's a completely different thing. Then you're making
a profit on recorded works.

Perhaps it falls under the interpretation of "distribution". An artist should
have control of what the public has access to as far as their works. But
in the internet age, all bets are off. It's too big to "police".

[RossValoryRocks]

Then tell me why trading communties are not shut down?

Because NO money is taken from the artist. If you were to sell a show on
Ebay for example, that's a completely different thing. Then you're making
a profit on recorded works.

Again you choose to interpret the law as you see fit. I am merely pointing it out.

Bands can do as they please. If they would choose to prosecute they are well within their right to do so, just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't...what part of what I have said don't you understand? I am using standard English not Mandarin Chinese for heaven's sake!

[Andrew]

Andy is not a journalist.

Oh, I had better let my wife and family know that then....

I was under the impression that is what I did for a living. I'm shattered.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Then tell me why trading communties are not shut down?

Because NO money is taken from the artist. If you were to sell a show on
Ebay for example, that's a completely different thing. Then you're making
a profit on recorded works.

Again you choose to interpret the law as you see fit. I am merely pointing it out.

As do lawyers and judges. If a band wanted to prosecute every person
who traded their boots they'd go broke real fast.

[Andrew]

Just in regards to the greater conversation going on here.

I understand all feelings involved and agree that this is a very emotional subject and one I am reluctantly involved in due to my prior coverage of this band.

Any argument that I only allow one side of any debate to be aired should immediately be squashed by the fact that I am happy to hear the opinions expressed by Penny and the others here and am happy to leave them on record....including those having a go at me.

[RossValoryRocks]

Just in regards to the greater conversation going on here.

I understand all feelings involved and agree that this is a very emotional subject and one I am reluctantly involved in due to my prior coverage of this band.

Any argument that I only allow one side of any debate to be aired should immediately be squashed by the fact that I am happy to hear the opinions expressed by Penny and the others here and am happy to leave them on record....including those having a go at me.

I have no beef with you Andrew. Tell you the truth the only beef I have is that the evidence is weak and Dean isn't addressing it. Well that and all the name calling, but eh. I am glad you are letting both sides get their say.

[RossValoryRocks]

Then tell me why trading communties are not shut down?

Because NO money is taken from the artist. If you were to sell a show on
Ebay for example, that's a completely different thing. Then you're making
a profit on recorded works.

Again you choose to interpret the law as you see fit. I am merely pointing it out.

As do lawyers and judges. If a band wanted to prosecute every person
who traded their boots they'd go broke real fast.

Probably, that doesn't mean they can't it also doesn't mean that you send it has to let material that is in violation of the copyright law stay on their server opening them up to possible liability.

[KittyKat]

Well what do you know I tracked down the guy in Sweden and he confirmed the story. Wasn't all that hard and I know someone called or said they did from BT and said the radio station denied knowing him and he explained that as well. I'm not going into the details and what the man told me I have all of his info just in case I need to go back to it but the Swedish guy is legit. I have also inquired about DL since Bionic brought that up I'll let you know what else I find out if anything. I personally am feeling pretty disillusioned right now and my stomach just dropped when I read his e-mail. Why did they do it? No other options that would've been more dignified? What is this going to do to the tour and their legacy as well?

[Andrew]

At the very best he is an internet phenom.

One that has lasted 10 years I might add. Thanks for the compliment.

[RossValoryRocks]

Well what do you know I tracked down the guy in Sweden and he confirmed the story. Wasn't all that hard and I know someone called or said they did from BT and said the radio station denied knowing him and he explained that as well. I'm not going into the details and what the man told me I have all of his info just in case I need to go back to it but the Swedish guy is legit. I have also inquired about DL since Bionic brought that up I'll let you know what else I find out if anything. I personally am feeling pretty disillusioned right now and my stomach just dropped when I read his e-mail. Why did they do it? No other options that would've been more dignified? What is this going to do to the tour and their legacy as well?

Yeah...Ok...I am sorry but I need MORE than your word that the guy is legit.

Oh Wait...this is the internet everything posted by everyone is the truth.

Like I told Dean...

Put up or shut up. You either go in to detail or what you said doesn't matter, because you have to have PROOF.
So give us the proof or this looks like just another Dean supporter throwing stuff out.

[Monker]

As do lawyers and judges. If a band wanted to prosecute every person
who traded their boots they'd go broke real fast.

There is a difference between "trading boots" and posting them on the internet for all to download. Given the band's experience with Napster during Arrival, why would they try to limit the availability of thier songs for download? Knowing that BT has a lot of 'followers', why wouldn't the fans also try to limit it?

[augeri1]

Just in regards to the greater conversation going on here.

I understand all feelings involved and agree that this is a very emotional subject and one I am reluctantly involved in due to my prior coverage of this band.

Any argument that I only allow one side of any debate to be aired should immediately be squashed by the fact that I am happy to hear the opinions expressed by Penny and the others here and am happy to leave them on record....including those having a go at me.

Happy to express my opinions..but I don't have to argue with you that the rules only apply to certain members...anybody with eyes can go back the last three weeks and read who's allowed to cross the line and who isn't..hell, even when we "buffoons" aren't around it still continues.

[JrnySuxBalls]

As do lawyers and judges. If a band wanted to prosecute every person
who traded their boots they'd go broke real fast.

There is a difference between "trading boots" and posting them on the internet for all to download.

In 2006, not really.

If you want a boot show from a particular band, all U have to do is google.
People record shows, put them up for others to enjoy, and then those
others do the same. It's not as widespread as say ITunes but it's going
on. It's a growing community, and most bands do not have a problem
with it. Unless of course there are some embarassing perfomances.

Piracy, such as the Napster/Arrival situation, is something different altogether.
Internet trading often ends up promoting the bands, and
actually can help sell tickets if the live recordings end up showing some
stallar performances. "Wow I didn't know the band was this good LIVE!"