My worthless opinion...

[Maui Tom]

I've been lurking a lot so I gotta chime in with something..

Whatever this is will serve us all well to end soon...one way or another...this place is a toxic/intimidating place to come to at the present time...it really is...while not a regular here it seems friendships are ending over this...even if it's an "internet" friendship it's still sad...

I've met Pit once...email occasionally...he's passionate...would (in my opinion) take the proverbial bullet for his band.

Never met Deano but it seems he is passionate too...to undertake something like this...to literally nuke the band...I wish he could've been more humble about his cause...the in your face name calling and personal (some WAY personal) attacks that have ensued over this is truly disturbing...and I ain't no prude.

I have no opinion on the charges....jeez I'm a Beach Boys fan too...you wanna talk about a fucked up band?

I just hope this place is able to walk away from the rubble and go on after this whole episode plays out.

[Mrs H]

Hi Tom!

[Andrew]

I just hope this place is able to walk away from the rubble and go on after this whole episode plays out.

Amen to that Tom. Thanks for the comments.

[Tell_Me_the_Truth]

That is all fine and such.

Hey, any gamblers here? I have come from other sites and been directed here by the blog owner.

I would lay odds like this:

Deano gets the last laugh on this 2-1 He seems to be in the drivers seat to me.

Augeri defenders 6-1

No one 20-1 This has divided the band worse than politics.


There needs to be someone coming up to the front and taking control of this situation. Dean is being crucified for making his point on a large stage. I don't like his delivery but the guy has definetely convinced me of this. Ther is no question in my mind what is going on. The bands' silence on this is awkward.


Stacy

[KittyKat]

I for one had hoped something could be done to salvage the band and move on. I'm not as sure that will be the outcome at all anymore. I read some very emotional posts from fans on Dean's blog so not all Journey fans will be as forgiving. I personally could never be that attached to anything but my family however I do realize that it isn't the same for everyone.

[Rockindeano]

Seems I was wrong...I had said I believed this was going on only for 2 years.

Look at this BackTalk review for 3 years ago. This gets more and more juicy.

This is from the "Great Show" at the warfield. You know, the one that never got released....Now you know why.

http://www.journeymusic.com/ontheroad/r ... ?venue=119


"My wife and I flew down from Portland for the show since I knew it would probably be a once in a lifetime type of show, and I definitely echo all the positive reviews that have been posted so far. I've been to Journey shows since the late 70's, and the highlights for me were definitely getting to see the older material played again. But I do have a question I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to, and that is why were the cd vocal tracks for "We Will Meet Again" being played over the live vocals? I'm sure other people must have noticed this. Steve was either lip-synching or was singing along to the cd vocal tracks. But additionally, the background vocal tracks were being played as well. Was it because of all the sound problems they were having on stage? It was clear throughout the show that they were having troubles with their monitors, and possibly even Steve's microphone. But to the band's credit, despite their monitor problems, the sound out in the crowd was excellent. My wife seemed to think there may have been lip-synching on more than this one song, but I only caught it for sure on "We Will Meet Again." Anyone have any other details on this?
- Steve
Portland, OR
(6:49:32 pm PDT - April 29, 2003) "

[Journey/Survivor]

Let me start out by saying that until about 24 hours ago I had never even known that there were message boards on this site, and I had therefore never read any of the comments that have been by any of the posters on these boards with the exception of Andrew on the main page of his site.

So I do not know anyone on here, and I can only go by what I have quickly read in these threads in the last 24 hours.

I also want to say that as of right now I do NOT know whether or not Steve Augeri has lip synched in concert or not.

But I have to say that it would appear to me that the person who started this which-hunt seems to have a very obvious agenda, an all out vendeta in fact against Journey, and Steve Augeri in specific!

I'm sick of all of the imature idiots who seem to love either Steve Perry or Steve Augeri and hate the other one! What I mean by that is that it is all out childish for someone who claims to be a Journey fan to worship one of the two singers and then bash the other one!

For the record I have always considered Steve Perry to be the second greatest male lead vocalist in Rock history only behind Jimi Jamison, and even then it's a very close second for Perry.

However anyone who claims to be a Journey fan, and that definitely includes me, should be very, very greatfull that Steve Augeri has helped the Journey continue!
Steve Augeri is a great singer in his own right, and is a class act as well!

As much as I love Steve Perry's singing and songwriting I don't know if he seems to have anything left as a lead vocalist anymore?

Even if Perry can still knock it out of the park like he used to we still can not make Journey take Steve Perry back in the band. There have been extremely obvious problems between Perry and some of the other members of Journey and they just may not be able to work together ever again?
Also, as great as I consider an in his prime Steve Perry to have been, and as great as I think Steve Augeri is, if anyone says that one of the two singers is awesome and the other one sucks, then the person saying that is just plain ignorant!
Each man brings his own streangths to the band, and perhaps some weaknesses too!?!?

Getting back to my statement that the person who started this whole "scandal" seems to have an agenda against Journey and Steve Augeri, it would appear to me that the person "claims" to be a Journey fan, and yet he is doing his damn best to try to ruin the future of the band!!!

I am not saying that a fan can-not criticize a band that they love, in fact I do it all the time. I love Survivor and yet I can tell you that I am extremely dissapointed in their new "Reach" CD overall!

I actually received an e-mail warning once from one of the moderators of the Back Talk forums at journeymusic.com for criticizing the band for trying to make more money from the fans by putting out multiple versions of the same CD with different bonus tracks on them knowing that the die-hard fans will usually buy more than one version so they can get all of the songs. And I still stand by that complaint!

But the way in which this individual has handled things can not IMO be good for the bands future, and that person must realize that if he has a brain in his head!!!

IF, and that is a huge IF, Steve Augeri really has been lip-synching live, that person who has made the claim of Lip-synching could have and should have just simply contacted the bands management and stated his acusation and his strong displeasure with what they were doing.

But no, the way this person has handled things he would appear to be trying to bring down the band and also be a glory-hound who thinks that he's making public the identity of the person or people who killed President Kennedy or the hidding place of Ossama Bin-Laden or something!

This person made a very half a$$ed appology IMO that he has caused problems on this board, and yet he keeps up his which-hunt!?!?

The band have said that they will respond to the accusations, so just let it go for now will you please!?!?

Stop trying to hurt the band that so many of us love!

If you decide that you can not support a band that you feel are lip synching then fine you don't have to that's your right!

IF they really are lip-synching then I will not be happy either, but I also will not try to ruin the career and lives of the band members either!!!

Every day there are thousands and thousands of people who are dying, suffering and starving, and I do not think that whether or not a singer may or may-not have been lip synching is something to try to make the world aware of!

As for the aledged sound engineer or what ever he's supposed to be claiming that he has proof that Journey were lip synching, even if it's true, don't you have better and bigger things to worry about???

Wouldn't what youre doing be sniching much like someone who reports a fellow co-worker for taking a few minutes extra on their lunch break or something?

If you have this information and your making public to everyone are you really the kind of person that bands should want to work with???

Why don't you worry about your career and let Journey worry about theirs?

This is not the way that I would have liked to have started out on these forums!!! And I'm sure that I have already made at least on enemy all ready. But I just had to get a few things of my chest!

[NealIsGod]

For the record I have always considered Steve Perry to be the second greatest male lead vocalist in Rock history only behind Jimi Jamison, and even then it's a very close second for Perry.

Stopped reading here. Can't wrap my head around that comment.

[knox]

This has NOTHING to do with a vendetta from Dean. I have read many posts in the past about him SUPPORTING Augeri.

This has EVERYTHING to do with the evidence Dean found through his investigation. Knowing the consequences of liable, slander, deformation of character, or what have you, there is no way anyone would be dumb enough to make this crap up.

As Dean has found on the JOURNEY review boards, someone noticed this 3 years ago at the Warfield show!

I don't know Deano from Adam, but I am convinced - at the very least - that the recordings submitted by Dean show premeditated deception by the band. Steve was definitely not singing on his own, and when he did he sounded horrible.

Edit: I am not a blind follower of Dean. I am not a blind follower of Journey. I am not a blind follower of Augeri. I am not a blind follower of Perry.

I just call 'em like I see 'em. Look at the evidence with a neutral mind and you will come away as I did. Something is rotten on those recordings.

[KittyKat]

Since we're discussing ethics I think it's important for the fans to at least know what is being done because most don't and then if they're fine with it ok it's their choice.

Is it ok to download the artists music on the internet for free? According to the law that's stealing, no? Look at how much the price of a ticket has gone up while the price of cd's have come down and there's your answer. The fans pay to see a live show and that's what they should get and if any band out there isn't providing that but charging for it there should be full disclosure. As the price increases so do standards, I personally would buy the cd but not want to pay to see a show.

[knox]

The fans pay to see a live show and that's what they should get and if any band out there isn't providing that but charging for it there should be full disclosure.

One of the most excellent posts I have seen in a long time. VERY well said.

[EightyRock]

Oh, ok, I guess Svante Pettersson and those engineers all had an agenda and a vendetta against the band, too. Surely you can come up with something better than that in the band's defense. How many people have to confirm this before you open your eyes? What official statement from the band is going to change what that producer and those engineers heard while they recorded that show?
I had a hard time believing this stuff at first, too, but I am a realist and when proof is staring me in the face it's time to stop idolizing a bunch of greedy musicians who would even consider doing this to their fans, ardent ones or casual ones.

[NealIsGod]

Now here's MY worthless opinion...

I think this whole situation has shed light on the fact that Journey and other bands use tapes to "beef up" the on stage vocals. Journey MAY have used them a little too liberally due to Augie's voice problems. That is as far as I go with this. And yes, I listened to almost all of Dean's "evidence".

I am a fan of ALL incarnations of Journey and I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I am sure they are aware that they will be heavily scrutinized on their upcoming tour with Lep.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled forum...

[Liz22562]

Hey NIG, give yourself more credit than that. Your opinions are not worthless.

You have only posted what a lot of us believe also.

Journey On...

[NealIsGod]

Hey NIG, give yourself more credit than that. Your opinions are not worthless.

Oh, I know Liz. Just keeping with the thread theme...