RossValoryRocks wrote:odessa wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:odessa wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:Well if we are "outing" people...then let me out you.
After I initially listned I have to admit it looked bad for the Journey boys.
But then I took the discrete sounds out of phase on the supposed bootleg. I stretched the sounds and slowed them down and then searched for other hidden discrete sounds, and I found it right before Steve's vocals start.
On the supposed Manchester bootleg I found where someone added the DVD vocals over the original vocal Steve Augeri sang, AFTER the original bootleg had been made. Under the overdub you can hear, very faintly, the original vocal done in Manchester.
I am still working on the other bootlegs but I am sure they are there.
So I would have to say Dean is full of it.
I wasn't even going to post this, but as you can see Dean forced my hand. I figured he had hurt himself enough with this whole thing.
But there you have it. And if I can find this stuff so can others, and I am sure they will.
Okay, so how can we explain what the sound engineer heard (and reported) that was not from a bootleg?
R Deano and the sound guy gave
two different accounts. One as a fan, the other
behind the scene. If there are issues with people fiddeling, then won't the orgianl tape the radio station has show that? Would you also state that based on your findings
BOTH R Deano
and the Sound Engineer are full of it?
I cannot comment on something I did not hear directly. ::shrug:: that is out of my purview. He says he saw it, but no tape has surfaced that proves what he saw. I am sure Svante saw or heard something, but I cannot be expected to know if he is telling the truth since I do not know the person.
Again the evidence is there if you chose to look, or in this case listen.
I gave my opinion based on my research, Dean has give his, Svante has given his perspective. Don't take any of our words for it, go search yourself.
Okay, Svante said he
SAW and
HEARD it and was
THERE. You and Deano were not. Deano says that there is something strange going on. You talk to Deano, then you say Deano is full of it. People then believe the claim is false because you say you tested a bootleg?
However....we still have the sound guy/journalist and the fact that he says there are other (
Trainned Professionals) who were there with him... behind the scenes. So if you are so strong in your convictions start your own blog, but put up the disclaimer that your findings dispute R Deano's ONLY because they
can't dispute a
TRAINNED PROFESSIONAL who was there and has given his
full name and credentials. This man has put that on the line.
R Deano is putting his life and livelyhood on the line- to irrate fans and the bands anger.
What are you prepared to do, now that you say R Deano is "full of it"... besides posting here?
You and R Deano may cancel each others findings out because of bootlegs. However, we still have the sound engineer/journalist to think about. I think the media (and general public) will believe him and Deano over you any day. That's just my observation.... as a neutral individual/member of the general public in this whole mess.
Botton line...
THE BAND NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING This ain't about Deano and you. It's about the band's reputation, integrity and what they do (or don't) earn because they don't make any statements. That's what's at stake here...Bottom line.
Also, it sounds, from what you orginally said, that you only "outed" R Deano because he "outed" you. So you would have said nothing if he did not "out" you?
You would have kept your findings quiet?
So both sides could have kept fighting, yet you would have had evidence.
Care to expalin that or did you only talk cause Deano pissed you off?
:twisted:
I doesn't sound like you talked for any reason other than to help your reputation. You didn't do it for the interest of the band's defence or aid!
I wasn't going to say anything because Dean has hurt himself enough. .
Okay, so you admit it. You would have had
evidence to prove the band innocent (from Dean's claim) but would have
hide it from the fans who want to clear the bands name.
The only reason you gave it was because Dean pissed you off?
So you ain’t a fan of the band. Frankly your reason for saying Dean hurt himself sound lack luster...at best! Sound more like revenge and emotion rather than wanting to truly resolve an issue and help the band and it’s fans. That is sad.
But yes he got me angry enough to come out with what I found. C'est La Vie![/quote]
Revenge caused this?
So why should I or anyone trust what you say? I guess I shouldn't trust your opinion. Then again, you don't care about the band or the fans wanting answers, so you opinions should be considered as Null and Void. At least the people who scream do it because of the love they have for the band. Not self interest- as clearly seems to be the case here!
I don't need to defend the band, that's what they pay their attorney and management for. I am making an observation base on what I have heard.[/quote]
Ah, but Dean said you are a personal
FRIEND of Ross and you called him (Ross). So you have no loyalty to your friend either ( Ross)?
Maybe that's why he never called you back?
I hope he reads what you said! I’d hate to have a friend who knows something that could help me. Then says that I should go to a lawyer or ask someone else to help (me) and that they are only helping themself because of a revenge issue.
Some friend...who needs enemies.
Frankly I don't care about what you or anyone else thinks about me, so my reputation is neither here nor there.[/quote]
Yes, I think we know that, from what you said.
SELF INTERST is what this is about.
You can look at the evidence, both Dean's and mine and make your own decision regard what is going on. Either way it's no skin off of my back.[/quote]
Fans
have been doing that. They don't need you to tell them that.
Yes, we know you don't care about the fans, your friends or the issue. So why are you in the discussion and conducting tests if you don't care? I know, Deano outing you made you care...Don’t care but was made to care?
I guess this means that we should throw the baby out with the bath water (your statements) as you are not credible. Frankly, I don't believe anything you say based on you subsequent replies to my questions. Then again...you don't care.
