What has happened to this place?

[whocares]

And I myself am a musician, so I believe in musical integrity as much as anyone, in fact more than most, but if they felt they had to use a tape to be able to get thru a tour then I can forgive them too! But that is still far from being a proven fact anyway!

Well then that is just plain foolish. You are paying to see a show. If you are willing to listen to possibly pre-recorded music, then you are over paying for listening to what could be a CD or whatever.

I can do that at home, for free. There's no integrity in fooling those who spend money on a live concert, and then using tapes, whether it be Journey Madonna or Britney Spears. NO MATTER WHAT!

[Journey/Survivor]

not fair to say we aren't fans just because we want to know what's going on.

Baseball and Kurt Cobain's death have nothing to do with this arguement. This is simply about wanting answers. You say we tlak too much about trying to bring the band down, yet you talk too much trying to convince us we're not fans of the band. One thing I'm not a fan of is being deceived. If that's happening, I want to know. Not that I really expect them to tell me they are deceiving me.

OK, for the moment rather than saying that your not a fan I will just say that I personally can not understand how or why a "fan" could deticate so much time to being neagative about something that their a fan of??? But that's just me I guess?

[Journey/Survivor]

And I myself am a musician, so I believe in musical integrity as much as anyone, in fact more than most, but if they felt they had to use a tape to be able to get thru a tour then I can forgive them too! But that is still far from being a proven fact anyway!

Well then that is just plain foolish. You are paying to see a show. If you are willing to listen to possibly pre-recorded music, then you are over paying for listening to what could be a CD or whatever.

I can do that at home, for free.

Yeah, I hate how much bands charge for their concerts, and that includes Journey. I also hate how much sports teams charge for their tickets too.

To tell you the truth I feel that a lot of sporting events are rigged or fixed, but I still go to the games. I used to be a huge fan of professional wrestling when I was a kid, they never admited (at least back then) that it is all fake, but we knew that anyway and payed to go see it because we enjoyed it.

[Journey/Survivor]

And I myself am a musician, so I believe in musical integrity as much as anyone, in fact more than most, but if they felt they had to use a tape to be able to get thru a tour then I can forgive them too! But that is still far from being a proven fact anyway!

Well then that is just plain foolish. You are paying to see a show. If you are willing to listen to possibly pre-recorded music, then you are over paying for listening to what could be a CD or whatever.

I can do that at home, for free. There's no integrity in fooling those who spend money on a live concert, and then using tapes, whether it be Journey Madonna or Britney Spears. NO MATTER WHAT!

One other point...

When I'm going to a Journey concert the person who I spend most of my time watching perform is Neal Schon, and there is no question about it that he is playing live every concert.

No one complains that Geddy Lee has a lot of his keyboards pre-programed in concert, or that thousands of other musicians do similar things.

[whocares]

this isn't about pre-recorded guitars or keyboards, pretty much everyone has said they expect some pre-recorded stuff as far as instruments and background vocals.

You and others are trying to confuse this with what the real issue is. LEAD VOCALS.

[wildone]

this isn't about pre-recorded guitars or keyboards, pretty much everyone has said they expect some pre-recorded stuff as far as instruments and background vocals.

You and others are trying to confuse this with what the real issue is. LEAD VOCALS.

When did this become about the whole band???It's just Steve A who's stepping on it!!

[cetera]

What has happened to this board. I know tape-gate is a major issue, but do we really need thread after thread after thread on this subject. This place used to be fun. We all knew each other, to the point of knowing how somebody was going to respond to a particular thread before even reading it.

Many of the usual faces around here from just say 2-3 months ago are gone. This place has become the venting spot for I hate Journey. And don't tell me "No, I am really a fan, and love the band." Then proceed to call them pricks, liars, theives, idiots, and so on. That is not a fan, maybe a former fan, but not a fan. It is only music people. And don't give me the blind follower line, you don't have to be a blind follower, you can choose not to be a fan (follower) of the band anymore.

This whole lipping thing has gotten way to personal for some of you. You would think Neal is a mass murdering, baby killer by the amount of blood people want. And Augeri should be hung in the city square to be pelted with rocks.

This is a band that gave us some very cool music. If we like the music we buy the CD. If we want to go see them, we go. Do we expect a live singing performace? Of course we do, but I am not just there for the singer. I go to a Journey concert get to see a live performance from one of the greatest guitar players in the world. I get to see a great rythm section playing live. I get to see a wonderful keys player. And I get to see a tight band playing live. Now do I wish for the vocals to be live, yes, but that is only 1/5 of the show I am there to see. I love to sing along sure, but I really get high off watching the band jam out to La Raza or Filmore Boogie, or the odd Santana tune they trow in from time to time, or the pre-perry stuff the did last tour.

I am sorry some feel cheated because the singer may not be singing live. But if the singer is your only reason to be at a concert, then maybe you are just a fan of the singer and not the band. Maybe there should be disclaimers in every ad for every concert for every band that may use some kind of tape, assistance, effect or whatever. Is that what we are driving at here.

I miss the old days and the old people around here. I guess those times are gone for good here. It is a shame really.

Amen to all of that....!!!

Though being relatively new round here I'm not in a postiion to commiserate with the loss of some old time posters....

[Red13JoePa]

Stop your whinig NIG. You sound like a little bitch.

What else is there worth talking about?

Steve Perry's hair grew an inch today.

LOL!Do you have proof of that,Monker?

Monker synched up audience taken pics. Proof positive.

Where'd the heels go, Shania

[Argus]

Stop your whinig NIG. You sound like a little bitch.

What else is there worth talking about?

Steve Perry's hair grew an inch today.

LOL!Do you have proof of that,Monker?

Monker synched up audience taken pics. Proof positive.

Where'd the heels go, Shania