Attention Augeri Supporters

[wildone]

Maybe they didn't want to go to Chile? Maybe they couldn't wait to go to Hawaii instead? Maybe that just did what they wanted to do because they are big boys and can do just that? What does it matter to anyone but them why they had a change of plans?

Karen enjoyed the concert in the UK, Paul enjoyed the concert in the UK and a few others whose names I haven't looked up also enjoyed the concert in the UK. I'm glad they did. It gave me something to look forward to when the tour started in the states.

Getting beatup by the reviews? That would be the way YOU see it. I've seen both good and not so good reviews. You can spin a review ANY WAY YOU WANT. Point - counterpoint. Perryfaithful posted a poor review of Journey and LAWoman posted a great review of Journey - different views - same concert. Likes and Dislikes.

Bottom lines is...if you enjoy the band - you'll enjoy the music. If you want to get caught up in all the hoopla - then don't go.

Have a great day.

so then lie once again to there fans is ok???Lets make up a story and tell the fans one thing and lets go do another...not cool at all...

Ok fine...we get it...you feel lied to, and you feel it's not cool...other fans do not feel the same way...they just want to go hear the music, live or otherwise. and have a good time. Get off the high horse you are on and realize that it doesn't matter if everyone agrees with you. You have your truth and they have theirs.

High horse please if you ask for pepperoni and get cheese you bitch right?and where exactly is there truth ??/hmmm

Truth like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And yes you get to bitch, and by God you have done so, over and over and over and over, but you don't have a right to do so on Journey's property.
And after awhile people just tune you out when you say the same things over and over and over. So in the end your message, or your bitch, just becomes so much back round noise.
Bitching the right way and to the right people is a much more effective way of doing things.

Yeah but when you go to the right people (bt )they just ignore the questions and when you get a chance to be able to ask the band they cancel things like rockline!!!

[Monker]

yeah the journey koolaid there passing around is so much better...

You guys are the people who were offered up a tasty beverage of bootlegs. We listened and didn't buy into the entire thing. We passed on taking the Kool-Aid of a huge conspiracy. We decided to NOT follow the guru offering up a salvation for Journey's future.

Dean is leading his cult of followers. The people not taking his beverage do not have a guru. As so many have pointed out - Journey has been silent on all of this.

[Monker]

You can spin a review ANY WAY YOU WANT.

Exactly...and that is what this has turned into...a bunch of spin.

[Monker]

They can book a show, then just decide they don't want to go?

I think Perry did that for the second half of the FTLOSM tour.

[wildone]

They can book a show, then just decide they don't want to go?

I think Perry did that for the second half of the FTLOSM tour.

yeah but didn't he say he had pnemonia then went off to a private gig in hawaii???

[Monker]

They can book a show, then just decide they don't want to go?

I think Perry did that for the second half of the FTLOSM tour.

yeah but didn't he say he had pnemonia then went off to a private gig in hawaii???

Correct...He said he had asthmatic bronchitis and then went to studio with Journey.

[wildone]

They can book a show, then just decide they don't want to go?

I think Perry did that for the second half of the FTLOSM tour.

yeah but didn't he say he had pnemonia then went off to a private gig in hawaii???

Correct...He said he had asthmatic bronchitis and then went to studio with Journey.

[Memorex]

Monker - Are you saying you don't believe tapes were being used? Are you saying you don't believe Augeri's voice is shot right now?

[RossValoryRocks]

Monker - Are you saying you don't believe tapes were being used? Are you saying you don't believe Augeri's voice is shot right now?

I won't speak for Monker on this one; He is quite good at speaking for himself.

I am saying that regardless of what you, Dean, Wildone, or anyone else believe, others don't and many of them have listened to the same bootlegs you all have.

And outside of a few of them, most have given well reasoned and well thought out responses, but they get rude comments in return for not following along.

Many people have labeled the BTers as Kool-Aid drinkers, when the truth would be closer to this: They just don't drink the same kind of Kool-aid as Dean and the rest.

[wildone]

Monker - Are you saying you don't believe tapes were being used? Are you saying you don't believe Augeri's voice is shot right now?

I won't speak for Monker on this one; He is quite good at speaking for himself.

I am saying that regardless of what you, Dean, Wildone, or anyone else believe, others don't and many of them have listened to the same bootlegs you all have.

And outside of a few of them, most have given well reasoned and well thought out responses, but they get rude comments in return for not following along.

Many people have labeled the BTers as Kool-Aid drinkers, when the truth would be closer to this: They just don't drink the same kind of Kool-aid as Dean and the rest.

No we don't thank god!!!and we don't have white adidas either ...well atleast I don't

[Memorex]

As for me, the only "people" I have been critical of are the extremely rude ones. I do think my posts regarding the "issue" have been sincere.

After hearing the recent boots, I actually felt really, really bad for Augeri. I honestly think they should go back to tapes if they are going to continue to tour. I have no interest in seeing anyone humiliated, especially in a situation where there is likely a ton of pressure.

I do think they should hop off the tour. But if they don't, then they should use tapes and say so. Augeri seems like too nice of a guy to let this happen to him.

Who ever is steering the Journey ship these days, they need to find a port, quick.

For those that don't buy in to the whole tapes thing, I completely understand. But I do think the blinders are on. That's just my opinion. There are a lot of things in life I don;t want to believe. I get it.

I think Deano feels cheated. How that affects him is very personal to him, just as it was to Pit.

But just like Andrew alluded to, it really is very clear how intensely personal this is to fans. And that is why I think Journey should have issued a statement. I've lost a lot of respect for them over their silence.

Again, this is my sincere, honest opinion. Not meant to piss anyone off, change anyone's mind, or bring down Journey.

[RossValoryRocks]

As for me, the only "people" I have been critical of are the extremely rude ones. I do think my posts regarding the "issue" have been sincere.

After hearing the recent boots, I actually felt really, really bad for Augeri. I honestly think they should go back to tapes if they are going to continue to tour. I have no interest in seeing anyone humiliated, especially in a situation where there is likely a ton of pressure.

I do think they should hop off the tour. But if they don't, then they should use tapes and say so. Augeri seems like too nice of a guy to let this happen to him.

Who ever is steering the Journey ship these days, they need to find a port, quick.

For those that don't buy in to the whole tapes thing, I completely understand. But I do think the blinders are on. That's just my opinion. There are a lot of things in life I don;t want to believe. I get it.

I think Deano feels cheated. How that affects him is very personal to him, just as it was to Pit.

But just like Andrew alluded to, it really is very clear how intensely personal this is to fans. And that is why I think Journey should have issued a statement. I've lost a lot of respect for them over their silence.

Again, this is my sincere, honest opinion. Not meant to piss anyone off, change anyone's mind, or bring down Journey.

If only EVERYONE else could look at how you just posted and do the same then we could have good disccusions and not running fights and over the top name calling.

[wildone]

As for me, the only "people" I have been critical of are the extremely rude ones. I do think my posts regarding the "issue" have been sincere.

After hearing the recent boots, I actually felt really, really bad for Augeri. I honestly think they should go back to tapes if they are going to continue to tour. I have no interest in seeing anyone humiliated, especially in a situation where there is likely a ton of pressure.

I do think they should hop off the tour. But if they don't, then they should use tapes and say so. Augeri seems like too nice of a guy to let this happen to him.

Who ever is steering the Journey ship these days, they need to find a port, quick.

For those that don't buy in to the whole tapes thing, I completely understand. But I do think the blinders are on. That's just my opinion. There are a lot of things in life I don;t want to believe. I get it.

I think Deano feels cheated. How that affects him is very personal to him, just as it was to Pit.

But just like Andrew alluded to, it really is very clear how intensely personal this is to fans. And that is why I think Journey should have issued a statement. I've lost a lot of respect for them over their silence.

Again, this is my sincere, honest opinion. Not meant to piss anyone off, change anyone's mind, or bring down Journey.

simpley put!!!kudos memorex

[Monker]

Monker - Are you saying you don't believe tapes were being used? Are you saying you don't believe Augeri's voice is shot right now?

I say : How the hell can you tell one way or the other from crappy audience bootlegs?

[Monker]

Many people have labeled the BTers as Kool-Aid drinkers, when the truth would be closer to this: They just don't drink the same kind of Kool-aid as Dean and the rest.

NO, the truth is that Dean is the one handing out the Kool-aid to his cult. Nobody on the other 'side' of the issue is doing the same.

[Monker]

For those that don't buy in to the whole tapes thing, I completely understand. But I do think the blinders are on. That's just my opinion. There are a lot of things in life I don;t want to believe. I get it.

No, you don't "get it". You are accepting something as 'fact' that simply is your opinion. So, you go about with ridiculous statements like 'blinders' and "kool-aid", etc. You can't handle the idea that some people simply do not accept an unPROVEN accusation as a fact.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I say : How the hell can you tell one way or the other from crappy audience bootlegs?

The two things on the sides of your head. Ears.

[Red13JoePa]

Monker - Are you saying you don't believe tapes were being used? Are you saying you don't believe Augeri's voice is shot right now?

I say : How the hell can you tell one way or the other from crappy audience bootlegs?

How naive, Monker. Why they're "synching them up" to oneanother with state of the art, airtight, guaranteed digital hocus pokus. Synch those audience boots up and see the light. After all, some audience boots sound quite good .

[JrnySuxBalls]

It's not hocus pocus.

[wildone]

It's not hocus pocus.

It's alacazam!!! he sounds great!!!Ok turn it off...he sounds crappy again!! then it's hocus pocus

[cetera]

wow lighten up!!!Isn't this supposes to be all in fun??

And therein lies my big problem with all of this.

Some people seem to having way too much fun trying to destroy a band. You can make your point and others have the right to disagree.... but expecting everyone to just drink Deano's KoolAid and join his vendetta is naive....

[Vladan]

Please tell me what you think of Dean's Faithfully and DSB clip under "We Can End This Now".

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... CD756F4125

Do you think Augeri sounds good?
Do you think he was "just sick"?
Do you think this is his voice now?


How can you say "He may have been a bit off, but gave the crowd 110%"? This was in a review on another board, as if they tried to put a positive spin on it.

What the heck? How can you support this type of PROFESSIONAL vocal performance? How can you chalk it up to "Loyalty"? How can you feel good about putting ANY positive spin on what we hear coming out of that man's mouth?

Ok, so what exactly is wrong with this performance. I need some facts here, to convince me. Look, I know Steve Perry will always be the most complete and yes the strongest Journey frontman ever, in terms of vocal ability on the albums, and LIVE concerts, and showman. Augeri still sings the song properly, he can sing - but I have to say, in my opinion its been done before and done alot better - but still there isnt anything wrong with his vocals. I think the band need to tone it down, Augeri is playing too much catch up, but thats about it...

[Red13JoePa]

Yea, Vlad it's way overstated and hyperbolized how awful he sounds on that clip. From the hype in the posts I downloaded it knowing what I'd probably hear but also sort of expecting silence mixed with cracks, croaks, squeals, hoarse whispers, everything but fingernails on a chalkboard.

I listen and it's like, "so what?" an average performance of the song by a guy who's done it better.

[NealIsGod]

Yeah, it was an off night, but come on.

[Argus]

You can spin a review ANY WAY YOU WANT.

Exactly...and that is what this has turned into...a bunch of spin.

Makes me puke so it must be from the spinning