Your opinion on the lip-synching allegation?

[Jrnynut]

So many not remember or even know, but I was responsible for breaking the news worldwide that Steve Perry had left the band.

Andrew
This statement is untrue. I have not posted anywhere since the 90's. But I broke this news not you. If you remember correctly I e-mailed you twice about this subject before I posted on a classic rock bulletin board and anyofficial announcements were made. I would appreciate it if you would quit trying to take credit for something that is not true. Give credit to who it is do!

Signed
Jrnynut

[jrnyman28]

This statement is untrue. I have not posted anywhere since the 90's. But I broke this news not you. If you remember correctly I e-mailed you twice about this subject before any announcements were made. I would appreciate it if you would quit trying to take credit for something that is not true. Give credit to who it is do!

Signed
Jrnynut

So you broke it to Andrew, but his comment was "worldwide". You obviously did not break it worldwide...

[LAWoman]

Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.

[heardonthestreet]

Half the backtalkers that have come here believe he is doing it and don't care. They are just being honest. The fans who have said that he isn't or arn't sure may well be Perry fans. Maybe everyone is just being honest, Barb.

[swepett]

Speaking of taped vocals... I saw Roger Waters yesterday and it was apparent that he also was synching some songs. There has also been rumors about that in various forums since his current tour started. This is what one person had to say about it in a Pink Floyd forum:

Originally I thought Roger's lip-synching was limited to that first
show in Portugal. I watched the video of that and it was quite
obvious. Mostly because you could hear him croaking underneath the
recorded vocals. But then I got a recording of another show and I
thought it sounded great. I didn't hear the whispering and murmuring
underneath and figured, okay, he's not lip-synching anymore. At least
not nearly as much as that first show. I figured maybe he needs to
pipe in some vocals for the hard parts here and there. Certainly, IMO,
the Dark Side set sounded fantastic. I was pleasantly surprised at how
good the Dark Side set actually sounded. There was only one song where
I felt Gilmour was severely missed, and surprisngly not for his guitar
but rather for the vocals.....and that was on Money. The rest sounded
awesome. Cover band? No way. Ain't no cover band in the world that
can play Dark Side like that. And there certainly are some good cover
bands. But to say this Dark Side set sounded like a cover band, to me
that's just some Gilmour harpie with sour grapes talking out their
behind. There's just no way any cover band can play Dark Side THAT
good. Especially on Us and Them, Any Colour You Like and Brain
Damage/Eclipse. Waters and his band did a phenomenal job, IMO. Save
for Money, it was as good a version of Dark Side by the Waters-less
Floyd, if not better (again IMO).

But then I heard another recording of another show. It became obvious
to me that, at least for the first set, Waters' vocals are EXACTLY the
same as the previous show I heard. No difference whatsoever. This
clearly means the vocals are being piped in. The fact that I don't
hear Waters murmuring underneath simply means to me that a) he's gotten
a bit better at it and b) they discovered they better turn his mic off.

Now I am absolutely furious. This is FRAUD. How can he get away with
this? For one it's illegal, as i said it's fraud. I'd demand my money
back. Seriously, if I doled out the big bucks he's asking for a ticket
I'd sue his ass for my money back plus damages. But beyond that, to me
he's lost any integrity he might have had left. Oh sure he can sing
his crap about Bush, calling him anything he wants, but the fact is,
after discovering this blatant fraud, Bush has more integrity in his
little toe than Waters has in his whole body.

I have steadfastly stood up for Waters many many times in the past, but
if I am correct about this lip synching, and I'm pretty sure I am
(please please please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll take it all
back), I simply cannot defend fraud. I am just stunned that he thinks
it's okay and that he thinks he can get away with it. Why is he
getting away with it? Why isn't there more of an uproar? This is
fraud!

And I just don't understand why he's doing it. I thought he sounded
fine at Live 8 and those vocals obviously weren't pre-recorded. Sure,
he sounded a bit old, but that's fine. The vocals were great. Even
Gilmour sounded a bit raspy (as he does on his current On An Island
tour...which also sounds great despite the at-times raspy singing), but
together they sounded absolutely wonderful. So why the lip synching
now? When I first heard Sheep I was amazed at how good it sounded.
But like I said, the vocals are exactly the same on all three
recordings I have. Which means the vocals are pre-recorded. I am
ashamed and embarrassed that I fell for it. And furious. I want to
say that this all doesn't apply to the Dark Side set, since Waters only
sings a few songs, but now I'm just not sure anymore.

Sorry for the rant, but it needs to be said and I needed to get it off
my chest. I, for one, will not pay one cent to watch this milli
vanilli act. Honestly, he should not be permitted to get away with
such a blatant act of fraud.

"Roger! OH ROGER! What have you done? Must have been that fucked up
English education that screwed you up so bad!"

-X

PS No offense to the British education system. I'm just throwing it
back in Roger's face.

[Rockindeano]

Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.

You do read, and speak differently then the rest of us.

Let's see,

Convinced- 31
Not convinced 15
Not sure 11

Even if you combine the unconvinced along with the not sure's, you are still getting beat 31-26.

[Jrnynut]

[quote="LAWoman"]Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.[/quote]

No joke LA Woman. It is for real. It was on the Journey Classic Rock Bulletin Board. I actually got in trouble for it! LOL I'm sure people who read that board back then and maybe still now will remember. I just wanted to tell it like it was. Amen

[Argus]

Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.

No joke LA Woman. It is for real. It was on the Journey Classic Rock Bulletin Board. I actually got in trouble for it! LOL I'm sure people who read that board back then and maybe still now will remember. I just wanted to tell it like it was. Amen

Wow, I seem to remember that you did say that. Guess you'd better document it before someone else jumps your claim.. oh wait, they already did but we old timers will give you the credit now for discovery.

[Jrnynut]

[quote="Jrnynut"]So many not remember or even know, but I was responsible for breaking the news worldwide that Steve Perry had left the band.

Andrew
This statement is untrue. I have not posted anywhere since the 90's. But I broke this news not you. If you remember correctly I e-mailed you twice about this subject before I posted on a classic rock bulletin board and any official announcements were made. I would appreciate it if you would quit trying to take credit for something that is not true. Give credit to who it is do!

Signed
Jrnynut[/quote]

[zino]

Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.

You do read, and speak differently then the rest of us.

Let's see,

Convinced- 31
Not convinced 15
Not sure 11

Even if you combine the unconvinced along with the not sure's, you are still getting beat 31-26.

That makes it 54% yes
45% not convinced/no

Give or take a 5% and that would be pretty much split with a Whopping 57 total votes cast

[LAWoman]

Maybe jrnynut is joking?

I am a little surprised at the (unscientific) poll results. Pretty much split between those who aren't convinced or don't care and those who are convinced. I was sure over here it would be overwhelmingly on the convinced side since there have been all the "proof" threads.

You do read, and speak differently then the rest of us.

Let's see,

Convinced- 31
Not convinced 15
Not sure 11

Even if you combine the unconvinced along with the not sure's, you are still getting beat 31-26.

Actually the totals were different when I posted--I believe it was 25 to 23 or something similar. And see, your choice of words points to the problem. You think of it as "getting beat". It's not a contest or a competition.

[Rockindeano]

Nice try Barb. You posted at 923A, and I posted an hour later. While I cannot unequivocally state that 10 people posted in the 60 mins, I would say it's safe to assume you are wrong again.

[NealIsGod]

[Citygirl]

You're obsessed Deano.

[Monker]

It's not a contest or a competition.

Correct, as Letterman would say, it's an exhibition. And, please, no wagering.

[LAWoman]

Nice try Barb. You posted at 923A, and I posted an hour later. While I cannot unequivocally state that 10 people posted in the 60 mins, I would say it's safe to assume you are wrong again.

OMG! Yes, I am totally lying because the difference is so profound. Again a problem with your assumptions. BTW--if you are going to start pointing out mathematica! issues, at least add correctly, could ya?

[Perry86fan]

I do believe they are lipping and there going down hill .....why not come out and say something or is it just to late.

[PROPERRY]

I believe they are lip synching as well, if it was not true,Neal would have already spoken up to DEFEND the band!!

Lori