All Pomp and NO performance

[Monker]

I think everyone needs to relax a little. Everything will work out ok...

Nobody is listening to you any more. Like I've said before, I don't believe anybody here believes you will use your authority, so why listen?

[yak]

It's the perceptions of the music world in general towards Journey that I think are being effected by this travesty.

The travesty was on your *ahem* private board. Among other things, that's where you planned all your devious strategies for all the Journey boards in the cyberworld, and where you proclaimed...a long time ago...that there would be no Journey without your purrfect Perry. You would keep his name out there in the public eye ( ) and you would trash a band that decided to continue when he turned his back on them. A perfect example of this is the person who started this thread...one of your private board buddies.... who loves to throw things out there to purposefully start trouble.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Steve Augeri. Whoever the band had chosen as lead singer to continue on with, you would have treated in the same fashion. Perry can't commit. Why can't you just admit it???

[yak]

"An undertone of disappointment!"
Here is another review..

Don't you have a real job? And scouring the internet for bad reviews, and backing up your pal ohsherrie's posts do not count.

As for reviewer Alan Stout, he has reviewed Journey in a favorable light in the past. He doesn't care for Perry, as I remember it.

[MartyMoffatt]

Lets put this whole issue into perspective, shall we. Now, I’m not going to present opinion as fact, unlike some, so let me just say that the following is my opinion based on supposition and logical deduction. Take note or ignore it as you see fit.

Journey has probably hundreds of thousands of fans, and by fans I mean people who would and do pay to go to see a show near them, not just the ‘dedicated’ fans who frequent these forums. Of this total fanbase, at least 90% are completely unaware that there is any controversy at all, and they will continue to go to and thoroughly enjoy the shows. They get great value for money.

Of the small percentage that are aware of the allegations, probably 90% have not seen or heard any of the ‘evidence’ – they have not listened to the illegal bootleg recordings, nor have any desire or motivation to do so. Whether the allegations are true or not is a non issue to them.

That means there are just a few hundred people (at most) for whom this is a contentious issue. These it seems are split into three camps – Those that believe the allegations absolutely based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’, those that disbelieve them based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’ and those who don’t care one way or the other. The only fact in this whole torrid saga is that there are no facts – just opinions.

So what we are left with, from the huge fanbase that the band has, is just a few dozen for whom this is such an issue that they are insisting the band respond to them.

Given that there is NO incontrovertible proof one way or the other – and suppositions based on poor quality illegal home recordings do not constitute proof of anything, there is simply no reason for the band to respond to these allegations. It would be pandering to a tiny proportion of their fanbase, with the risk of setting a precedent and opening them up to all sorts of allegations from anybody that wants to force a response from them about any issue. Any band, subject to unproven allegations, would be advised by legal counsel not to respond, so for Journey to say nothing is NOT an admission of guilt.

If you believe the allegations are true, fine, that is your prerogative. But why don’t you just stop going to the shows, instead of trying to destroy the band and spoiling things for the hundreds of thousands for whom this simply isn’t an issue worth getting worked up about.

Marty

[cetera]

Amen Marty..... nicely put

[zino]

Lets put this whole issue into perspective, shall we. Now, I’m not going to present opinion as fact, unlike some, so let me just say that the following is my opinion based on supposition and logical deduction. Take note or ignore it as you see fit.

Journey has probably hundreds of thousands of fans, and by fans I mean people who would and do pay to go to see a show near them, not just the ‘dedicated’ fans who frequent these forums. Of this total fanbase, at least 90% are completely unaware that there is any controversy at all, and they will continue to go to and thoroughly enjoy the shows. They get great value for money.

Of the small percentage that are aware of the allegations, probably 90% have not seen or heard any of the ‘evidence’ – they have not listened to the illegal bootleg recordings, nor have any desire or motivation to do so. Whether the allegations are true or not is a non issue to them.

That means there are just a few hundred people (at most) for whom this is a contentious issue. These it seems are split into three camps – Those that believe the allegations absolutely based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’, those that disbelieve them based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’ and those who don’t care one way or the other. The only fact in this whole torrid saga is that there are no facts – just opinions.

So what we are left with, from the huge fanbase that the band has, is just a few dozen for whom this is such an issue that they are insisting the band respond to them.

Given that there is NO incontrovertible proof one way or the other – and suppositions based on poor quality illegal home recordings do not constitute proof of anything, there is simply no reason for the band to respond to these allegations. It would be pandering to a tiny proportion of their fanbase, with the risk of setting a precedent and opening them up to all sorts of allegations from anybody that wants to force a response from them about any issue. Any band, subject to unproven allegations, would be advised by legal counsel not to respond, so for Journey to say nothing is NOT an admission of guilt.

If you believe the allegations are true, fine, that is your prerogative. But why don’t you just stop going to the shows, instead of trying to destroy the band and spoiling things for the hundreds of thousands for whom this simply isn’t an issue worth getting worked up about.

Marty

MARTY, MARTY, MARTY...

I have been trying to say this in a few post and I just couldn't get it too flow like you did, this is the BEST POST ON THE SUBJECT, I agrre 1000% with you have said here. I just looked ( and voted) for the poll on this topic and saw that 50 people or so voted and said to myself, all this talk on these boards and only 50 people voted, so how many people are really aware of this, I am ot saying anything to my wife and gonna ask her what she thought of the show next Monday ( which will be our 3rd anniversary) and see what she has to say after the show.

Thanks for the great post

[brightonrock]

So if only 50 people are aware of this problem...does it make it right to have some help on a few songs?

[Jeffy Jeff]

This doesn't ring true at all to me...this 'reviewer' is surprised that nothing from "Raised on Radio" was played? ROR was one of Journey's biggest commercial disasters, and most barely even know that it exists.

This sounds like a fake review to me...one written by a disgruntled fan.

[Scottish_jrny_fan]

Lets put this whole issue into perspective, shall we. Now, I’m not going to present opinion as fact, unlike some, so let me just say that the following is my opinion based on supposition and logical deduction. Take note or ignore it as you see fit.

Journey has probably hundreds of thousands of fans, and by fans I mean people who would and do pay to go to see a show near them, not just the ‘dedicated’ fans who frequent these forums. Of this total fanbase, at least 90% are completely unaware that there is any controversy at all, and they will continue to go to and thoroughly enjoy the shows. They get great value for money.

Of the small percentage that are aware of the allegations, probably 90% have not seen or heard any of the ‘evidence’ – they have not listened to the illegal bootleg recordings, nor have any desire or motivation to do so. Whether the allegations are true or not is a non issue to them.

That means there are just a few hundred people (at most) for whom this is a contentious issue. These it seems are split into three camps – Those that believe the allegations absolutely based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’, those that disbelieve them based on their interpretation of the ‘evidence’ and those who don’t care one way or the other. The only fact in this whole torrid saga is that there are no facts – just opinions.

So what we are left with, from the huge fanbase that the band has, is just a few dozen for whom this is such an issue that they are insisting the band respond to them.

Given that there is NO incontrovertible proof one way or the other – and suppositions based on poor quality illegal home recordings do not constitute proof of anything, there is simply no reason for the band to respond to these allegations. It would be pandering to a tiny proportion of their fanbase, with the risk of setting a precedent and opening them up to all sorts of allegations from anybody that wants to force a response from them about any issue. Any band, subject to unproven allegations, would be advised by legal counsel not to respond, so for Journey to say nothing is NOT an admission of guilt.

If you believe the allegations are true, fine, that is your prerogative. But why don’t you just stop going to the shows, instead of trying to destroy the band and spoiling things for the hundreds of thousands for whom this simply isn’t an issue worth getting worked up about.

Marty

Great post Mr M:D

[Red13JoePa]

On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.

OK, so now the guy is comparing Steve's voice to Deen's...and he is saying they sound the same. But that is suppoosed to be proof that there is something wrong with Steve's voice while Deen sounds great? I hate contradictions....

That's what I love about this Axe grinder who lampooned the band for paragraphs on end. Not exactly neutral. But alas, gives away his stupidity by #1 implying Perry could do a better job and #2 the asine comments about Augeri sounding bad, Deen sounding "exactly" like Perry but the vocals being "unchanged" when Deen helped out or took a line. Vendetta detector's starting to twitch a little. And what in fuck does Neal leaving his shades on harm?

[PROPERRY]

"An undertone of disappointment!"
Here is another review..

Don't you have a real job? And scouring the internet for bad reviews, and backing up your pal ohsherrie's posts do not count.

As for reviewer Alan Stout, he has reviewed Journey in a favorable light in the past. He doesn't care for Perry, as I remember it.

Gee yak, what's wrong with perryfaithful posting the reviews??? Perryfaithful is just keeping the fans informed, nothing wrong with that at all. It is sad to see Journey get these kind of terrible reviews.

Maybe now those that "heavily critized Perry" for his decisions will have more empathy & appreciate more why Perry made the decisions he made when he had to cancel concerts & not tour when he was sick & not feeling well enough to perform in front of fans.

You see, it is better to cancel concerts & to "perform healthy" for fans, than to continue "performing unhealthy" when a singer knows they "can't" give it their best! Just my opinion.

Lori

[jrnyman28]

And what in fuck does Neal leaving his shades on harm?

Especially since they start playing in daylight!

[LAWoman]

And what in fuck does Neal leaving his shades on harm?

Especially since they start playing in daylight!

He can't see. The shades are prescription. Now why he doesn't just get contacts or lazik is anyone's guess!

[Argus]

And what in fuck does Neal leaving his shades on harm?

Especially since they start playing in daylight!

He can't see. The shades are prescription. Now why he doesn't just get contacts or lazik is anyone's guess!

A new conspiracy GlassesGate You saw the show now read the Blog www.nealisblindblog.com

[heardonthestreet]

Gosh Ace! How's your health? I've never seen you this agitated.

[Argus]

Gosh Ace! How's your health? I've never seen you this agitated.

100% aok here, thanks. You have never read my posts then, have you.

[LAWoman]

I see Ace is back from vacation refreshed.

[yak]

Hey HOTS! Your avatar royally sucks:evil:

[Argus]

I see Ace is back from vacation refreshed.

Either that or Andrew has yet to deliver my ticket

[heardonthestreet]

Hey HOTS! Your avatar royally sucks:evil:

.........................................

That means that it really turns you on, right Yako?

[heardonthestreet]

Gosh Ace! How's your health? I've never seen you this agitated.

100% aok here, thanks. You have never read my posts then, have you.

.........................................
Yes I do but you never seemed to post much. This is the most that you have posted in a long time, isn't it? I understand. Sometimes you have to have a cause. Bama and I always always enjoyed posting to you.

[Argus]

Gosh Ace! How's your health? I've never seen you this agitated.

100% aok here, thanks. You have never read my posts then, have you.

.........................................
Yes I do but you never seemed to post much. This is the most that you have posted in a long time, isn't it? I understand. Sometimes you have to have a cause. Bama and I always always enjoyed posting to you.

Before I posted in defense of the Perry Ladies and the trashing they were getting by a certain poster, yes. It was foul then to have that happen, just like it's foul now. Things never change, there is just a redistribution of the Wrath of Kong

[yak]

Hey HOTS! Your avatar royally sucks:evil:

.........................................

That means that it really turns you on, right Yako?

A baby smoking a cigarette turns somebody on? You really are writing from the mental ward, arent you?

[heardonthestreet]

Did you take a wrong turn back there, Yak? What baby? Where?

Hey, I hear that your real name is Arden. Funny name for a guy. No wonder you know so much about private sites. Does Andrew know who you really are? You are a foxy little shit. It explains a lot.

[AR]

Whatever the issues with Journey (and they are many), Def Leppard are FAR from blowing me away in the 2 shows I've seen. A bunch of cover tunes and the lame stuff off of Adrenalize border on "boy band" sounding.

The few tunes from High and Dry and Pyromania rock as always though of course.

The review was b.s. Def Leppard wasn't drawing flies live until they started packaging up with Bryan Adams and now Journey.

2 of my favorite bands have seen better days.

The "Classic Rock Main Event" tour was much better than anything we're getting on this current tour.

[zino]

This doesn't ring true at all to me...this 'reviewer' is surprised that nothing from "Raised on Radio" was played? ROR was one of Journey's biggest commercial disasters, and most barely even know that it exists.

This sounds like a fake review to me...one written by a disgruntled fan.

This statement makes no sense, I beleive ROR went inot the top 10 #8 seems to ring a bell.

Are you sure you are not talking about Arrival

[Rockindeano]

This doesn't ring true at all to me...this 'reviewer' is surprised that nothing from "Raised on Radio" was played? ROR was one of Journey's biggest commercial disasters, and most barely even know that it exists.

This sounds like a fake review to me...one written by a disgruntled fan.

This statement makes no sense, I beleive ROR went inot the top 10 #8 seems to ring a bell.

Are you sure you are not talking about Arrival

Raised on Radio Debuted at #4. "Only" sold 2 million.

[Monker]

This doesn't ring true at all to me...this 'reviewer' is surprised that nothing from "Raised on Radio" was played? ROR was one of Journey's biggest commercial disasters, and most barely even know that it exists.

This sounds like a fake review to me...one written by a disgruntled fan.

This statement makes no sense, I beleive ROR went inot the top 10 #8 seems to ring a bell.

Are you sure you are not talking about Arrival

Raised on Radio Debuted at #4. "Only" sold 2 million.

And, it still sucked...and following up Frontiers 6 million, it was NOT that impressive at the time.

[conversationpc]

And, it still sucked...and following up Frontiers 6 million, it was NOT that impressive at the time.

I like several songs on that album but it would've been better, IMO, if they had done a "Red 13" and just released an EP and left the other songs for a Perry solo album, since that's what half of those tunes sound like anyway.