Singing styles...

[knox]

I was told by Bryan Duncan, a favorite singer of mine, that when you sing, it is like having money in the bank. You want to use the interest, and not touch the principal. In other words, you never have to strain that much. Singing properly comes from the gut, not the throat.

It seems to me that too many contemporary singers are singing from their throats, straining their cords to the point of damage. Granted, they sound DARN GOOD doing it, and know far more than I do when it comes to vocals, but does this hit anyone else like it does me?

Perhaps this is why Sinatra can still sing like he used to, while Perry and Augeri lost it (at least the range they once had)? The old crooners had such a relaxed style, while today's singers are putting it all out there each and every performance.

Does this make sense, or am I coming out of left field?????

[whocares]

any singer worth his weight, sings from the diaphragm (sp? I do it, not spell it).

Sinatra's still singing? j/k

[Saint John]

I was told by Bryan Duncan, a favorite singer of mine, that when you sing, it is like having money in the bank. You want to use the interest, and not touch the principal. In other words, you never have to strain that much. Singing properly comes from the gut, not the throat.

It seems to me that too many contemporary singers are singing from their throats, straining their cords to the point of damage. Granted, they sound DARN GOOD doing it, and know far more than I do when it comes to vocals, but does this hit anyone else like it does me?

Perhaps this is why Sinatra can still sing like he used to, while Perry and Augeri lost it (at least the range they once had)? The old crooners had such a relaxed style, while today's singers are putting it all out there each and every performance.

Does this make sense, or am I coming out of left field?????

I, for one, don't think Perry lost it from improper technique. They were just touring too much. Augeri was doing between 40 and 70 shows a year. I think Perry did several tours that were like 3 times that. And I think he is such a great artist that his singing style evolved with his voice. When You Love A Woman is as good a ballad as they've ever had, yet it is much later in his career. The man is such an artist.

[AR]

Does this make sense, or am I coming out of left field?????

It makes sense. My example would be Paul Stanley of Kiss. In the 70's he sang in a much deeper voice and didn't seem to strain too much.

Later in the 80's he decided he wanted to howl like Robert Plant with all kinds of crazy high notes. That can't be coming "from the gut". Now when you listen too him sing, it's obvious he's done some vocal damage to himself. He can still get by, but is nowhere near what he once was.

Then you have guys like Joe Lynn Turner and Ronnie James Dio who still sound great at advancing ages. I'm sure proper technique has a lot to do with it.

One guy though who is a vocal freak is Robin Zander from Cheap Trick. He has far from a relaxed style, but still sounds incredible to this day. MAny times it looks to me as if he's straining but he hasn't lost it yet.

[Saint John]

THIS is why Perry's voice changed from Escape to Frontiers. 90+ shows in 5 months. HOLY SHIT!!!!



Escape
Released August 1981

Jul. 27, 1981 Festival Hall. Osaka, Japan
Jul. 28, 1981 Nagoya Kokai-do. Nagoya, Japan
Jul. 29, 1981 Koseinenkin Hall, Shinjyuku., Tokyo, Japan
Jul. 31, 1981 Koseinenkin Hall, Shinjyuku. Tokyo, Japan
Aug. 1, 1981 Nakano Sun Plaza Hall, Nakano. Tokyo, Japan Tensaw(Japanese)
Aug. ??, 1981 Massey Hall. Toronto, ONT
Aug. ??, 1981 Civic Centre. Ottawa, ONT Toronto/Billy Squier
Aug. ??, 1981 The Forum. Montreal, QUE Toronto/Billy Squier
Aug. ??, 19881 Le Colisee. Quebec City, QUE Toronto/Billy Squier
Aug. 22, 1981 Cumberland County Civic Center. Portland, ME Point Blank
Aug. 27, 1981 Saratoga Performing Arts Center. Saratoga, NY
Aug..28, 1981 Baltimore, MD
Aug. 29, 1981 Cape Cod, MA
Aug. 31, 1981 Cleveland, OH
Sep. 1, 1981 Cleveland, OH
Sep. 3, 1981 Poplar Creek Music Theater, Hoffman Estates, IL.
Sep. 4, 1981 Poplar Creek Music Theater, Hoffman Estates, IL.
Sep. 5, 1981 Alpine Valley Amphitheater. East Troy, WI Greg Kihn
Sep. 6, 1981 Alpine Valley Amphitheater. East Troy, WI Greg Kihn
Sep. 8, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 9, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 11, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 12, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 13, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 14, 1981 Pine Knob. Clarkston, MI Greg Kihn Band
Sep. 15, 1981 Ames. IW
Sep. 16, 1981 St. Paul, MN
Sep. 18, 1981 Kemper Arena. Kansas City, MO Point Blank
Sep. 19, 1981 Tulsa, OK
Sep. 20, 1981 Wichita, KS
Sep. 21, 1981 Omaha, NB Loverboy
Sep. 23, 1981 St. Louis, MO
Sep. 25, 1981 Bloomington, IN
Sep. 26, 1981 Lexington, KY
Sep. 27, 1981 Cincinnati, OH
Sep. 28, 1981 Terre Haute, IN
Sep. 29, 1981 Rosemont Horizon. Chicago, IL Greg Kihn
Sep. 30, 1981 Assembly Hall. Champaign, IL Greg Kihn
Oct. 1, 1981 Athens, OH
Oct. 2, 1981 Civic Arena. Pittsburgh, PA Point Blank
Oct. 3, 1981 Syracuse, NY
Oct. 5, 1981 Buffalo, NY
Oct. 7, 1981 Providence, RI
Oct. 8, 1981 Hartford Civic Center. Hartford, CT
Oct. 9, 1981 Hamstead, NY
Oct. 10, 1981 Philadelphia, PA
Oct. 12, 1981 Philadelphia, PA
Oct. 13, 1981 Hampton Rhodes, VA
Oct. 15, 1981 Jacksonville, FL
Oct. 16, 1981 Atlanta, GA
Oct. 17, 1981 Columbia, SC
Oct. 18, 1981 Charlotte, NC
Oct. 21, 1981 Savannah, Ga.
Oct. 22, 1981 Lakeland, FL
Oct. 23, 1981 Lakeland, FL
Oct. 24, 1981 Miami, FL
Oct. 27, 1981 Knoxville, TN
Oct. 28, 1981 Nashville, TN
Oct. 30, 1981 Memphis, TN
Oct. 31, 1981 Municipal Auditorium. Mobile, AL Loverboy
Nov. 1, 1981 Baton Rouge, LA
Nov. 3, 1981 Little Rock, AR
Nov. 5, 1981 The Summit. Houston, TX
Nov. 6, 1981 The Summit. Houston, TX
Nov. 7, 1981 Dallas, TX
Nov. 8, 1981 Austin, TX
Nov. 10, 1981 Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, NM
Nov. 11, 1981 Amarillo, TX
Nov. 13, 1981 Las Cruces, TX Loverboy
Nov. 14, 1981 Tucson, AZ
Nov. 15, 1981 Phoenix, AZ
Nov. 17, 1981 Denver CO
Nov. 19, 1981 Salt Lake, UT
Nov. .21, 1981 San Diego, CA
Nov. 22, 1981 Forum. Los Angeles, CA Loverboy
Nov. 23, 1981 Forum. Los Angeles, CA Loverboy
Nov. 24, 1981 Forum. Los Angeles, CA Loverboy
Nov. 25, 1981 Forum. Los Angeles, CA Loverboy
Nov. 29, 1981 Fresno, CA
Nov. 30, 1981 Cow Palace. San Francisco, CA Loverboy
Dec. 1, 1981 Cow Palace. San Francisco, CA Loverboy
Dec. 2, 1981 Cow Palace. San Francisco, CA (Cable Car Benefit)
Dec. 1, 1981 Pocatello, ID
Dec. 3, 1981 Vancouver, B.C.
Dec. 4, 1981 Seattle, WA
Dec. 4, 1981 Seattle, WA
Dec. 7, 1981 Portland, OR
Dec. 8, 1981 Portland, OR
Dec. 10, 1981 Oakland Coliseum, CA
Dec. 11, 1981 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA
Dec. 12, 1981 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA (Joined w/ the 49ers)
Dec. 21, 1981 NBC Arena. Honolulu, Hawaii
Dec. 22, 1981 NBC Arena. Honolulu, Hawaii
??,??, 1981 Friday’s (TV Appearance)
??,??, 1981

[knox]

DANG!!!!!

[Barb]

Holy crap! I wonder if they would have done things differently had they known what would happen to "the Voice".

[knox]

any singer worth his weight, sings from the diaphragm (sp? I do it, not spell it).

Sinatra's still singing? j/k

Ooops.... You know what I meant . Could still sing later in life.

[amaron]

Holy crap! I wonder if they would have done things differently had they known what would happen to "the Voice".

One could say that they SHOULD have thought about it.... with Perry AND Augeri.

[whocares]

any singer worth his weight, sings from the diaphragm (sp? I do it, not spell it).

Sinatra's still singing? j/k

Ooops.... You know what I meant . Could still sing later in life.

yeah, but since I'm apparently being a dick to everyone... I couldn't let it go.

[knox]

Thanks for not leaving me out .

[TRAGChick]

I was told by Bryan Duncan, a favorite singer of mine, that when you sing, it is like having money in the bank. You want to use the interest, and not touch the principal. In other words, you never have to strain that much.

Singing properly comes from the gut, not the throat.

It seems to me that too many contemporary singers are singing from their throats, straining their cords to the point of damage. Granted, they sound DARN GOOD doing it, and know far more than I do when it comes to vocals, but does this hit anyone else like it does me?

Perhaps this is why Sinatra can still sing like he used to, while Perry and Augeri lost it (at least the range they once had)?

The old crooners had such a relaxed style, while today's singers are putting it all out there each and every performance.

Does this make sense, or am I coming out of left field?????

First off: Check the "stress factor" Jeff's workin' on his neck....yup....LIVE!

Makes COMPLETE sense.

With my training, that's EXACTLY where the voice SHOULD come from - NOT like James Hetfield:

"GIMME FUEL, GIMME FIRE, GIMME THAT WHICH I DESIIIIIIIIIRE!!"

That one phrase ALONE gives me a sore throat!

RE: The "Crooner" factor:

Oh, believe me, I've gotten into ARGUMENTS with people of the "older generation" about Crooning and Rock Singing.

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES - AND TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES!!

[Liz22562]

And still people putting in their little digs.

[Big J]

Actually I gotta disagree on Paul Stanley. His voice back in the day was untrained, untamed, and often off-key. Yes, he explored a lot of ground in the 80's (and well I might add). But nowadays, hell, the man's done opera and gotten rave reviews. If you listen to him barking his way through a song in 1975 and tell me that 25 years later the man does opera, I'd call you nuts.

I believe he's had vocal cord surgery at some point...his voice changed a LOT between Asylum and Crazy Nights tours/albums.

But he can definitely still bring it and honestly, I think he sounds 1000 times better now than he ever did.

On the other hand, I caught the first 30 seconds of Robert Plant's new Soundstage appearance. My God. The man simply physically cannot sing. It's not that he can't stay in key or sounds like shit, it's that he sounds like he needs oxygen three words in. Terrible! Poor man.

[cetera]

Actually I gotta disagree on Paul Stanley. His voice back in the day was untrained, untamed, and often off-key. Yes, he explored a lot of ground in the 80's (and well I might add). But nowadays, hell, the man's done opera and gotten rave reviews. If you listen to him barking his way through a song in 1975 and tell me that 25 years later the man does opera, I'd call you nuts.

I believe he's had vocal cord surgery at some point...his voice changed a LOT between Asylum and Crazy Nights tours/albums.

But he can definitely still bring it and honestly, I think he sounds 1000 times better now than he ever did.

Paul Stanley is one of the few singers of that generation who can still hit some really high notes with power and control. I saw him in Phantom Of The Opera in Toronto and it was a revelation as to just how good he is....

[AR]

But he can definitely still bring it and honestly, I think he sounds 1000 times better now than he ever did.

Paul Stanley is one of the few singers of that generation who can still hit some really high notes with power and control. I saw him in Phantom Of The Opera in Toronto and it was a revelation as to just how good he is....

I'll have to lend you all some Kiss "Instant Live" shows from the Rock the Nation tour. There has been some damage done to those pipes from all of the high pitched raps and oversinging he's done in recent years. Tommy Thayer has even admitted that Paul was having voice problems at that point. The damage he does is all the screaming banter in between songs.

I did like the control he had and the higher vocals from around Hot in the Shade through the Psycho Circus Tour. It was somewhere during the "Farewell" shows that his voice started to fail a bit. Now he has lost the low end power and can only scream or sing high.

Thayer quote:

What people don’t understand about Paul is like he sings three-quarters of the set, but the thing that really makes it tough on him are all the raps. People don’t realize that he’s on the top of his voice on those raps and he doesn’t get a break even between the songs. I was talking to him on the last tour and his voice was getting real gravelly after one show and I said, man, you sing all those high songs, it must be really hard to do

(As good as my Journey collection is, I have a disturbing amount of Kiss material from virtually every tour they've done)