Can we pls give JSS & Journey a CHANCE to record new mus

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:47 am

I've been away for a week & I come back to read thread after thread after thread where some moron talks about the need for Journey to record new music with Jeff & if they don't Journey is dead & boring. Jesus Christ people. Did u all miss the fact that Jeff jumped into a tour already underway & started singing live w/a band he hadn't sung live w/before singing songs live that he had to learn? Ok yeah I know he did some of the songs solo before but not all of them. Can u please shut up for a while & give him a chance? Do u realize these guys are performing non-stop gigs several nites a week to FINISH the tour they are contractually obligated to? Do u expect them to just stop this tour, jump into a studio & record a record just for u? Fuck this is so annoying to see this over & over again. I'm bored seeing u fools write this. Never mind being bored w/Journey's songs (which I'm not btw). The cart doesn't come before the fucking horse, fools!

Yes, they have a studio in the bus but that's just for writing. That's not recording quality. Do any of u have the foggiest idea how music is recorded? Someone doesn't just sit down write a song tonite & oh wow tomorrow it's played on the radio & an album hits the stores. Maybe somewhere in the future that might happen but I doubt it.

First they have to write. Then finesse. Then go in the studio to record it. If it ain't right, they do it again. They record a whole bunch of songs. Then they sit back w/managers, promoters, etc. & pick the songs to put on the album. Then when they are ready to release the album, the add a song or two into a live show.

Let's let Jeff get through this hard-ass tour w/the band. Then fill the other obligations he has which he's talked about made before he accepted this gig. Then expect the band to get into the studio w/some of the guys & see what happens. Expect a new song by maybe next summer's US tour if we're lucky. Until then, chill the fuck out & have a bit of patience. Sheesh.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:42 am

I think everyone feels the same way. None of us want a rushed product this time around.
Hell, I think they should take 6-12 months to really get things right, JMHO.

I'll fall back on my Does and Don'ts I posted in that thread of the same title last month:

DO:
1. Hire on a solid producer (Rick Rubin, Scott Humphreys, Terry Brown, Roy Thomas Baker) and keep Kev Elson on as engineer.

2. Get into a classic, "All Analog" studio and let Elson get that ESCAPE/FRONTIERS era sound back. Get away from the digital realm! Its too crisp and unfeeling. Get back to the tru warmth of Analog tape, real tube amped guitar tones, tape-delay echos, old style reverbs...

3. TAKE YOUR TIME AND COLLECTIVELY WRITE SOLID MATERIAL! Don't rush and throw together a bunch of unused and rehashed material like you did with GENERATIONS. Take FULL advantage od Jeff's writing skills and spend 3-6 months really working strong material.

4. It worked great with Perry/Rolie - try at least one track with Jeff/Friga sharing vocals and harmonies

5. Stick with the "One Word" album title, have Mouse do some killer oil-painted artwork (again, get away from the digital realm, it is stale and boring... Unless you let Christopher do it!), and then get out on the road, ALONE, and showcase the hell out of that new material!

6. There's 5 races left... DO A NASCAR WEEKEND!!! The band plays 1-2 songs pre-race, Neal SHREDS the SSB and let Jeff SCREAM those 3 famous words!!!

DON'T:
1. Don't worry about writing 'a hit' or 'monster ballad', i.e. Don't try to force the magic. Let it all come natural.

2. Do not EVER let Ross sing lead again!

3. Do not do another double-bill, greatest hits, nostalgia tour. Go out on your own and 'ram the new material down our throats!"

4. Don't lose faith in your fans - write and release the music that is in your hearts... Chances are, what you come up with will blow us ALL away and then some

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:45 am

Edited out.

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:47 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:2. Do not EVER let Ross sing lead again!

Holy mackerel, if THAT isn't something I agree with! He totally BUTCHERED "Walks Like a Lady" at the last concert I went to. He's probably fine for backup vox, but that was just unbelievably bad. I'm sorry to say...

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:42 am

Deleted by Fred's request.

by **dcvader** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:02 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:2. Do not EVER let Ross sing lead again!

Holy mackerel, if THAT isn't something I agree with! He totally BUTCHERED "Walks Like a Lady" at the last concert I went to. He's probably fine for backup vox, but that was just unbelievably bad. I'm sorry to say...

I would hazard a guess the only reason Ross was singing was to fill time. We all know the shitty details with SA's problems.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:07 am

dcvader wrote:I would hazard a guess the only reason Ross was singing was to fill time. We all know the shitty details with SA's problems.

Yea, but when did they actually start???
Some will say that he lipped the entire 2005 tour...
They recorded Generations pretty quick and he does sound good on that album...
When did his voice really start to fade?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:24 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Yea, but when did they actually start???
Some will say that he lipped the entire 2005 tour...
They recorded Generations pretty quick and he does sound good on that album...
When did his voice really start to fade?

Anyone can sound good in the studio.
I think Steve still has a singing voice, it just isn't up to the rigors of the road.

Taped enhacements had been used as early as 2003.
Their usage snowballed from there.

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:50 am

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:51 am

dcvader wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:2. Do not EVER let Ross sing lead again!

Holy mackerel, if THAT isn't something I agree with! He totally BUTCHERED "Walks Like a Lady" at the last concert I went to. He's probably fine for backup vox, but that was just unbelievably bad. I'm sorry to say...

I would hazard a guess the only reason Ross was singing was to fill time. We all know the shitty details with SA's problems.

I don't know...Deen could have easily sung that one, or the band didn't have to do it. Ross was just a bad choice for that song. He does NOT have lead singer ability.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:04 am

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by **lights1961** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:10 am

well this thread is one of those bunch of nothings.... Just some guy spouting off... how he thinks he can run the show.. get over yourself... and for the dos and donts of what you Journey should do and not do... can I do that to your business!! because its none of your business---as far as I can tell is it???

Rick

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:15 am

lights1961 wrote:well this thread is one of those bunch of nothings.... Just some guy spouting off... how he thinks he can run the show.. get over yourself... and for the dos and donts of what you Journey should do and not do... can I do that to your business!! because its none of your business---as far as I can tell is it???

For the record, I didn't tell Journey what to do. I was just asking people here to give them a chance to record new music before demanding it. I enjoyed Carl's response which was talking about things he'd like to see. That's not telling Journey what to do. It's just suggestions.

I agree that the thread is now ruined. It was a good thread when I started it & Carl responded. Then Fred hijacked it & ruined it. Now it might as well get deleted.

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:20 am

So JR, I've deleted and/or edited my posts. If you feel like it, go back and edit/delete your posts where you quote me, then you can have this thread all to yourself and anyone who agrees with you. Seriously.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:34 am

fred_journeyman wrote:So JR, I've deleted and/or edited my posts. If you feel like it, go back and edit/delete your posts where you quote me, then you can have this thread all to yourself and anyone who agrees with you. Seriously.

Done. Hope u don't have to poke ur eye out for fun now tho' Well is it a pretty eye? :lol:

Truce Fred?

by **Greg** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:43 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:2. Do not EVER let Ross sing lead again!

She's gone....she's gone crazzzaaaaa! She's drivin' me.....crazy!

by **Monker** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:26 pm

JourneyRox wrote:Yes, they have a studio in the bus but that's just for writing. That's not recording quality. Do any of u have the foggiest idea how music is recorded? Someone doesn't just sit down write a song tonite & oh wow tomorrow it's played on the radio & an album hits the stores. Maybe somewhere in the future that might happen but I doubt it.

This is exactly what I have been saying. I think they need to take at least six months off the road and write/record a new album. If they don't, it's either going to be an EP, like Red13, or a hack job, like Generations.

They should have done this YEARS ago...after the Main Event tour, IMO.

But, IMO, it's not what they care about any more...tour, tour tour, money, money, money...and a hush-puppy album for the fans once ever few years or so. That is how it seems to have been following Arrival...and I don't see why it would change today - especialy after a successful tour like this one...stay on the road and make more money.

by **fred_journeyman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:29 pm

JourneyRox wrote:
fred_journeyman wrote:So JR, I've deleted and/or edited my posts. If you feel like it, go back and edit/delete your posts where you quote me, then you can have this thread all to yourself and anyone who agrees with you. Seriously.

Done. Hope u don't have to poke ur eye out for fun now tho' Well is it a pretty eye?

Truce Fred?

Abso-freakin-lutely! Life is too dang short.

PS - My wife likes my eyes, so she'll be pleased that I'm not going to have to poke anything out...

by **squirt1** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:45 pm

Hey Lights 1961- Journey should be very concerned about what their customers (as in $$$$$) think. Whether criticism or suggestions,they are paid by their fansbase. They have to create new music, peform to fan satisfaction, and maybe now take a risk or two as Perry would say, w/o rocking the musical boat of past success. They get paid big money to take on this burdon. Don't you wish you were so lucky as to have a job like this. I think JSS will be a huge contributer.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:36 pm

Monker wrote:But, IMO, it's not what they care about any more...tour, tour tour, money, money, money...and a hush-puppy album for the fans once ever few years or so. That is how it seems to have been following Arrival...and I don't see why it would change today - especialy after a successful tour like this one...stay on the road and make more money.

I think you're wrong here... I can see them giving JSS a try on another album but if it doesn't do as well as hoped and they fall back into the "dirty dozen" mode, what you say will probably come to pass.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:31 pm

A Fire Inside wrote:I think you're wrong here... I can see them giving JSS a try on another album but if it doesn't do as well as hoped and they fall back into the "dirty dozen" mode, what you say will probably come to pass.

I don't think Jeff would want to stick around for that. He's here to win & I think he's savvy & aggressive enough that he will push for the right kind of publicity for the album. Jeff has been doing his thang for a long time & he knows what is current today. The rest of the guys are still a bit stuck in the 80s I think. Jeff will bring them out of that & get some kind of airplay for that album. If not on the radio, I bet they get TV spots. Maybe that will come first. Remember too Jeff can sing his heart out live. Augeri couldn't & the live appearances he did around the time of The Main Event were weak & embarassing. Jeff has a strong voice & he appeals to the younger generation as well as the older generation in terms of his looks & raw sex appeal. Augeri only appealed to a certain type of woman. Jeff also appeals to men not in a sexual way but b/c he comes across as a regular down to earth guy they can relate to. This is much stronger than they had. It's going to be interesting to watch it unfold. Don't count Journey out yet.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:03 pm

JourneyRox wrote:I don't think Jeff would want to stick around for that. He's here to win & I think he's savvy & aggressive enough that he will push for the right kind of publicity for the album. Jeff has been doing his thang for a long time & he knows what is current today. The rest of the guys are still a bit stuck in the 80s I think. Jeff will bring them out of that & get some kind of airplay for that album. If not on the radio, I bet they get TV spots.

If this was all true, don't you think his US career would be more successful? If he could get TV shows and airplay wouldn't that have happened for him already?

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:06 pm

A Fire Inside wrote:
JourneyRox wrote:I don't think Jeff would want to stick around for that. He's here to win & I think he's savvy & aggressive enough that he will push for the right kind of publicity for the album. Jeff has been doing his thang for a long time & he knows what is current today. The rest of the guys are still a bit stuck in the 80s I think. Jeff will bring them out of that & get some kind of airplay for that album. If not on the radio, I bet they get TV spots.

If this was all true, don't you think his US career would be more successful? If he could get TV shows and airplay wouldn't that have happened for him already?

No b/c he wasn't w/the right band to do it here until now. Think about it.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:08 pm

I don't think the Journey name has a whole lot of weight to it anymore, sorry. Almost none of their peers either.

The reason they sell so many tickets is the Greatest Hits crowd.

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:14 pm

A Fire Inside wrote:I don't think the Journey name has a whole lot of weight to it anymore, sorry. Almost none of their peers either.

The reason they sell so many tickets is the Greatest Hits crowd.

Ur missing the point. Bands like Foreigner & Def Leppard can get on morning TV shows & various radio shows on classic rock stations at the very least least. There is no reason Journey can't do this too. There was, but w/Augeri not able to sing live, they couldn't. Now they have a singer. They can do this. That is publicity. They mention their new album, maybe play a song from it on these shows. Next thing u know, they get some sales. Maybe not mega sales. But I think it will sell at least as good as Arrival, if not a whole lot better.

by **rsimpson** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:59 pm

JourneyRox wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:I don't think the Journey name has a whole lot of weight to it anymore, sorry. Almost none of their peers either.

The reason they sell so many tickets is the Greatest Hits crowd.

Ur missing the point. Bands like Foreigner & Def Leppard can get on morning TV shows & various radio shows on classic rock stations at the very least least. There is no reason Journey can't do this too. There was, but w/Augeri not able to sing live, they couldn't. Now they have a singer. They can do this. That is publicity. They mention their new album, maybe play a song from it on these shows. Next thing u know, they get some sales. Maybe not mega sales. But I think it will sell at least as good as Arrival, if not a whole lot better.

That wouldn't work. JSS doesn't like to sing in the mornings

by **ArnelRox** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:04 pm

rsimpson wrote:That wouldn't work. JSS doesn't like to sing in the mornings

Ha ha. I supect he might make an exception once.

by **rsimpson** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:06 pm

JourneyRox wrote:
rsimpson wrote:That wouldn't work. JSS doesn't like to sing in the mornings

Ha ha. I supect he might make an exception once.

I doubt it. I wouldn't mind hearing them on Jim Ladds Living Room.

MR

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