Why no TBF tunes on tour ??

[Greg]

I really think this is a great album. It has an airy huge sound and I think quite a few songs would come off great live. Color of the spirit being a fav. Would love to hear JSS take a stab at that one.

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

[froy]

Would love to hear Message Of Love live...

I also think that JSS would do a great job with When You Love A Woman.He has the voice for it.
I believe he would produce some goosebumps on people with a live performance of that one.

NO way
Augeri tried it and it sucked

Perry made that song

[Jeremey fan forever]

And might I add that the album has the most incredible drum sound ! The drum production is fucking flawless and bows to Steve Smith !

I agree LD.

Drum production has possibly been the weakest aspect of Journey's recording career - but they got it right on TBF.

Are you serious??? Frontiers and Escape had exceptional drumming!

[Chevypv]

And might I add that the album has the most incredible drum sound ! The drum production is fucking flawless and bows to Steve Smith !

I agree LD.

Drum production has possibly been the weakest aspect of Journey's recording career - but they got it right on TBF.

Are you serious??? Frontiers and Escape had exceptional drumming!

The drumming was ok, but the production wasn't, the mix wasn't great, and honestly, Smitty was really really reigned in untill TBF for the most part

[Crazie Scarab]

I really think this is a great album. It has an airy huge sound and I think quite a few songs would come off great live. Color of the spirit being a fav. Would love to hear JSS take a stab at that one.

As a few people have stated, this tour is a GH tour. At least that's what it has become. I fully believe we will be getting a new Journey album (CD - whatever) soon, featuring JSS on lead vocals. I also believe the tour following the release of the next album will consist mainly of the new material with JSS. Perhaps a hand full of Journey classics will be played - but that's it. I don't know why I believe this. All I can say is that it's a gut feeling I have.

[Lula]

I really think this is a great album. It has an airy huge sound and I think quite a few songs would come off great live. Color of the spirit being a fav. Would love to hear JSS take a stab at that one.

As a few people have stated, this tour is a GH tour. At least that's what it has become. I fully believe we will be getting a new Journey album (CD - whatever) soon, featuring JSS on lead vocals. I also believe the tour following the release of the next album will consist mainly of the new material with JSS. Perhaps a hand full of Journey classics will be played - but that's it. I don't know why I believe this. All I can say is that it's a gut feeling I have.

Your gut feeling suits me perfectly Sounds good, let's do it

[Monker]

I also believe the tour following the release of the next album will consist mainly of the new material with JSS. Perhaps a hand full of Journey classics will be played - but that's it. I don't know why I believe this. All I can say is that it's a gut feeling I have.

LOL...and they will be performing the Styx circuit...

That's the choice that Journey has to make...and they always decide on selling tickets instead of performing new songs.

[Jeremey fan forever]

And might I add that the album has the most incredible drum sound ! The drum production is fucking flawless and bows to Steve Smith !

I agree LD.

Drum production has possibly been the weakest aspect of Journey's recording career - but they got it right on TBF.

Are you serious??? Frontiers and Escape had exceptional drumming!

The drumming was ok, but the production wasn't, the mix wasn't great, and honestly, Smitty was really really reigned in untill TBF for the most part

Oh, production I don't have an opinion about. But I don't think Smith was "reigned in" on Frontiers, a lot of the beats on that album really added to the Journey sound. Sometimes Deen doesn't do them right, even though I think Deen is a hard working fool behind the kit.

[Crazie Scarab]

I also believe the tour following the release of the next album will consist mainly of the new material with JSS. Perhaps a hand full of Journey classics will be played - but that's it. I don't know why I believe this. All I can say is that it's a gut feeling I have.

LOL...and they will be performing the Styx circuit...

That's the choice that Journey has to make...and they always decide on selling tickets instead of performing new songs.

I'm always a better optimist than a pessimist. Suit yourself.

[A Fire Inside]

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

Just because WYLAW was nominated for a Grammy doesn't mean people remember it. It's no longer played on the radio. I think Journey isn't playing TBF for several reasons:
-no "hits"
-Neal supposedly doesn't like it
-not "rock" enough

I know TBF has rockers but at least EOTB came from a legendary album. They might as well play something from Arrival if TBF is justifiable.

[Moose]

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

Just because WYLAW was nominated for a Grammy doesn't mean people remember it. It's no longer played on the radio. I think Journey isn't playing TBF for several reasons:
-no "hits"
-Neal supposedly doesn't like it
-not "rock" enough

I know TBF has rockers but at least EOTB came from a legendary album. They might as well play something from Arrival if TBF is justifiable.

the only reason........-no "hits"
mainly due to no touring to support the record.

[ArnelRox]

I also think that JSS would do a great job with When You Love A Woman.He has the voice for it.
I believe he would produce some goosebumps on people with a live performance of that one.

No no no please Shania. That song is too sappy. I don't want Jeff to do it period.

[Matthew]

And might I add that the album has the most incredible drum sound ! The drum production is fucking flawless and bows to Steve Smith !

I agree LD.

Drum production has possibly been the weakest aspect of Journey's recording career - but they got it right on TBF.

Are you serious??? Frontiers and Escape had exceptional drumming!

I wasn't suggesting that the quality of the drumming itself was weak. It's just that the drum production wasn't nearly as strong as - as say - the vocals and guitar. I reckon this is especially true of Infinity to Departure - but even legendary tracks from the mid-80s such as Only The Young are examples of weak drum production. Perry and Schon sound amazing - but the drum track sounds really small and muffled.

[Matthew]

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

Just because WYLAW was nominated for a Grammy doesn't mean people remember it. It's no longer played on the radio. I think Journey isn't playing TBF for several reasons:
-no "hits"
-Neal supposedly doesn't like it
-not "rock" enough

I know TBF has rockers but at least EOTB came from a legendary album. They might as well play something from Arrival if TBF is justifiable.

I agree that WYLAW doesn't have the same nostalgia value as the hits from the 70s and 80s...but it was still a hit single and is also on the GH DVD.

As for Schon not liking it...well, I've lost track of the records Schon says he doesn't like so I can't take that point seriously.

Not "rock enough"? Journey are playing two ballads at the moment with an added Cain piano solo - so I don't think the band are now too heavy for WYLAW.

Yes - Faithfully and Open Arms are the safe, predictable choices for casual fans attending a Greatest Hits package tour - but on a headlining tour WYLAW would be received well, I reckon.

[80s man]

I really think this is a great album. It has an airy huge sound and I think quite a few songs would come off great live. Color of the spirit being a fav. Would love to hear JSS take a stab at that one.

The album is full of great songs! Much better than the two generic sounding ones that followed..................

[conversationpc]

I wasn't suggesting that the quality of the drumming itself was weak. It's just that the drum production wasn't nearly as strong as - as say - the vocals and guitar. I reckon this is especially true of Infinity to Departure - but even legendary tracks from the mid-80s such as Only The Young are examples of weak drum production. Perry and Schon sound amazing - but the drum track sounds really small and muffled.

I've always thought the drums sounded great, especially on "Frontiers". I'm also just now listening to "Only the Young" and while it doesn't have the best sounding drums I've ever heard, they also don't sound that bad.

[Matthew]

I wasn't suggesting that the quality of the drumming itself was weak. It's just that the drum production wasn't nearly as strong as - as say - the vocals and guitar. I reckon this is especially true of Infinity to Departure - but even legendary tracks from the mid-80s such as Only The Young are examples of weak drum production. Perry and Schon sound amazing - but the drum track sounds really small and muffled.

I've always thought the drums sounded great, especially on "Frontiers". I'm also just now listening to "Only the Young" and while it doesn't have the best sounding drums I've ever heard, they also don't sound that bad.

Maybe they deliberately mixed the drums down on Only The Young to help the vocals and guitar sound huge?

As Frontiers...yes, the drums sound okay...but the drums on the 70s albums with Perry sound so leaden...especially compared to - say - the immaculately produced first Boston album.

I've never liked Roy Thomas Baker's production that much....the drums sound a bit crap on the early Queen albums too.

[Eric]

I really think this is a great album. It has an airy huge sound and I think quite a few songs would come off great live. Color of the spirit being a fav. Would love to hear JSS take a stab at that one.

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

More people are familiar with Chain Reaction than WYLAW.......

[ArnelRox]

More people are familiar with Chain Reaction than WYLAW.......

I agree Eric. People remember the video if nothing else. It was pretty um weird which made it cool in spite of itself.

[Eric]

As for Schon not liking it...well, I've lost track of the records Schon says he doesn't like so I can't take that point seriously.

This is SO true. I love the guy, but he bashes previous albums to promote anything new

[Big J]

One More would be awesome too. Throw in a vote for It's Just the Rain too.

I'd second that, One More in 98 was cool, always liked IJTR too but would go with something more aggresive live.
Big Viv Campbell fan? More a fan of his work outside Lep myself.

I had no clue they did "One More" live....I wish I could hear a recording of that...Well, Id like to hear JSS do it live more than anything....

Here's one rendition of it live, Augeri of course.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 0B622A92C8

Yeah, fan of Viv Campbell. In DL and out of it. His Dio stuff is superb, and his work in DL is way underrated.

[Big J]

Got one more One More haha

http://download.yousendit.com/E84A87C423A11F26

[Greg]

They are not performed on this tour because this is a GH tour, and there were no "greatest" hits on TBF. You don't go on a nostalgia tour and perform songs that are not nostalgic.

I disagree. When You Love A Woman was the only grammy nominated song Journey has ever written and received quite a bit of radio airplay. Also, if what you said was actually true, then you wouldn't be hearing them playing stuff like Edge of the Blade or Chain Reaction...which are not present on the GH albums.....

Just because WYLAW was nominated for a Grammy doesn't mean people remember it. It's no longer played on the radio. I think Journey isn't playing TBF for several reasons:
-no "hits"
-Neal supposedly doesn't like it
-not "rock" enough

I know TBF has rockers but at least EOTB came from a legendary album. They might as well play something from Arrival if TBF is justifiable.

And how many times do you hear Chain Reaction played on the radio? Zero! For the record, I have actually heard WYLAW played on the radio recently...albeit not only a daily schedule, but it has been played nevertheless. I would definitely put WYLAW in the hit list, simply for the fact that an AOR band during the mid to late 90's era having anything recognized by MTV and the grammies is a huge accomplishment. Besides, I'm sure there is more than you'd think who know the song that would purchase a ticket to see Journey live.

Anyways, Neal supposedly not liking TBF is an opinion...I haven't read anywhere where Neal said he doesn't like the album. If there is something out there, please correct me and post it, but I don't believe that is fact. Finally, as far as not having enough rockers...I would not call ROR being chalked full of rockers either. Maybe the title track and BGTYS...but for them not to play songs off a certain record because the record doesn't have alot of rockers on it would contradict them playing I'll Be Alright Without You or Be Good To Yourself.

[Greg]

More people are familiar with Chain Reaction than WYLAW.......

I agree Eric. People remember the video if nothing else. It was pretty um weird which made it cool in spite of itself.

I disagree simply because not everyone in the 80's had cable and MTV. Cable was a luxury item in those days...the majority listened to the radio and will remember Journey songs more from radio than they would MTV.

[A Fire Inside]

I agree that WYLAW doesn't have the same nostalgia value as the hits from the 70s and 80s...but it was still a hit single and is also on the GH DVD.

Doesn't mean anyone remembers it. The audience would probably think it's a new song.

[A Fire Inside]

And how many times do you hear Chain Reaction played on the radio? Zero! For the record, I have actually heard WYLAW played on the radio recently...albeit not only a daily schedule, but it has been played nevertheless. I would definitely put WYLAW in the hit list, simply for the fact that an AOR band during the mid to late 90's era having anything recognized by MTV and the grammies is a huge accomplishment. Besides, I'm sure there is more than you'd think who know the song that would purchase a ticket to see Journey live.

Anyways, Neal supposedly not liking TBF is an opinion...I haven't read anywhere where Neal said he doesn't like the album. If there is something out there, please correct me and post it, but I don't believe that is fact. Finally, as far as not having enough rockers...I would not call ROR being chalked full of rockers either. Maybe the title track and BGTYS...but for them not to play songs off a certain record because the record doesn't have alot of rockers on it would contradict them playing I'll Be Alright Without You or Be Good To Yourself.

That is why I said "at least EOTB came off a legendary album". Same with ROR. I do not think Journey has any faith in TBF music. JMO. Maybe Jeff will specify.

[Matthew]

I agree that WYLAW doesn't have the same nostalgia value as the hits from the 70s and 80s...but it was still a hit single and is also on the GH DVD.

Doesn't mean anyone remembers it. The audience would probably think it's a new song.

How many serious Journey fans are actually at these concerts? Not many by the sound of it...

[Matthew]

And how many times do you hear Chain Reaction played on the radio? Zero! For the record, I have actually heard WYLAW played on the radio recently...albeit not only a daily schedule, but it has been played nevertheless. I would definitely put WYLAW in the hit list, simply for the fact that an AOR band during the mid to late 90's era having anything recognized by MTV and the grammies is a huge accomplishment. Besides, I'm sure there is more than you'd think who know the song that would purchase a ticket to see Journey live.

Anyways, Neal supposedly not liking TBF is an opinion...I haven't read anywhere where Neal said he doesn't like the album. If there is something out there, please correct me and post it, but I don't believe that is fact. Finally, as far as not having enough rockers...I would not call ROR being chalked full of rockers either. Maybe the title track and BGTYS...but for them not to play songs off a certain record because the record doesn't have alot of rockers on it would contradict them playing I'll Be Alright Without You or Be Good To Yourself.

That is why I said "at least EOTB came off a legendary album". Same with ROR. I do not think Journey has any faith in TBF music. JMO. Maybe Jeff will specify.

Didn't Andrew say they'll be playing Message of Love on the headlining tours next year? Maybe that'll just be for the UK fans though....