Rumsfeld Stepping Down

[ohsherrie]

Of course they were trying to discredit them. Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame is/were anti-Bush liberals who lied about his supposed trip to Africa and the "evidence" or lack thereof that was uncovered because of it.

So, OK, let me see if I've got this straight. It was OK for Bush to lie about his reasons for going to Iraq and wrong for anyone to challenge that? Then it was right for the administration to retaliate in an underhanded way and lie about that too?

Regardless of how you or those you know are doing financially, the country as a whole is doing better economically than we were six years ago. The same sources that were used to justify a good economy during Clinton's administration are showing a strong economy now. That's not Republican spin manipulating the numbers. It can't be denied. You know, I wasn't doing so hot financially during the Clinton administration, either. I got laid off from jobs two or three times and my income was cut basically in half for awhile. I couldn't afford to pay all my bills. I could very easily have gotten angry and blamed it all on Clinton and his administration like you're doing with Bush. I took responsibility for my own life and, by the grace of God, managed to pull myself up by the bootstraps and quit being a complaining weasel and make a go of it. It still isn't easy and there are struggles but any financial troubles I ever find myself in from here on out will be by my own doing, not Bush's or any other politician.

But I just don't agree that the economy of the country overall is better off. I think certain segments of the population are better off. I think a lot more of the people would be better off with Democratic economic policies. Certainly all of those millions of people making minimum wage in all those small business jobs we keep hearing about with no medical benefits would be.

[conversationpc]

So, OK, let me see if I've got this straight. It was OK for Bush to lie about his reasons for going to Iraq and wrong for anyone to challenge that? Then it was right for the administration to retaliate in an underhanded way and lie about that too?

Since when is it wrong to discredit someone who's lying in the first place? It wasn't even underhanded. Armitage used her name. It was not a crime to do so, yet your liberal friends in Washington went ahead with the prosecution of Scooter Libby even though he had nothing to do with it AND they knew beforehand the name of person who had "leaked" Plame's identity.

But I just don't agree that the economy of the country overall is better off. I think certain segments of the population are better off. I think a lot more of the people would be better off with Democratic economic policies. Certainly all of those millions of people making minimum wage in all those small business jobs we keep hearing about with no medical benefits would be.

Again, the facts show that you are wrong. The economy is better off overall. Yes, the country's total debt continues to grow, just like it did during Clinton's administration and the Bush and Reagan administrations before him but the economy is still strong at this point.

The Bush tax cuts have helped increase the federal government's revenues by stimulating economic growth. Even many democrats are starting to realize this and are backing off on their demands to raise taxes back to pre-Bush levels.

It's also interesting to note that many of the Democrats elected on Tuesday are moderate or conservative democrats who aren't necessarily likely to fall in line with the left wing of the party, so you probably aren't going to get any real Democratic economic policies anyway.

[yogi]

Generally I ONLY talk about politicswith my family or my close personal friends. I will make an exception now. My reason being is that our city just had the traveling Vietnam Memorial Wall here the past five days. It's one POWERFUL exhibit. To see all the names of the people who died and to realize of all the lives that changed on account of their deaths is beyond words of expression.

Let me start by saying on about 70% of most major issues I agree with the republician point of view. I am not a registered republician, but I usually vote that way.

Secondly, I have ALWAYS believed timing means EVERYTHING.

Going back to 9/11 we were attacked on our turff. I supported President Bush 100% in going after Osama Bin Laden and The Taliban. If we would of started World War lll because of the bombings of the World Trade Centers and The Pentagon so be it.

But here is where I feel our government made one of the BIGGEST mistakes in history:

What we should have done and I ALWAYS felt this way was to go after Osama with EVERY legal & illegal resource available to us. Whatever it took we HAD to get him. While we were searching for this TOTAL piece of shi t we needed to recall the reserves to secure our borders. Our borders should be tighter than Fort Knox. From 9/11 onward our borders have to be secure. EVERYWHERE( Mexico & Canada)

Then and only then after Osama has been captured or killed and the Taliban been rendered too weak to launch any sort of attack anywhere in the free world do we go after Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.

The war that we launched against Saddam is justified , and had to be done but it has come at COMPLETELY the wrong time. Our borders are pourous, Osama is on the loose and The Taliban is now as strong or stronger then ever because of when we choose to take down Saddam.

I am a big fan of Sean Hannity's and he always argues that the 'best defense is a good offense'. 'If we dont get them over there they will be launching attacks from within the US'. That may be a true statement but....

I have always believed in the old hockey adage if they dont score you cant lose. There is a time to sit back and play defense(secure our borders), you then pick your offensive spots based on what their defense gives you. Because if you spend all your time in the offensive end of the rink and if you are committing penalties while in the offensive end of the rink before long you will be shorthanded. When you become shorthanded then you get beat.

I often wonder since we invaded Iraq how many people named Achmadd Ha Beeb are now living in or crossed our border and now are living as Juan Sanchez. Waiting, Waiting.........

With all of the above said since we now have started this war in Iraq we now HAVE to finish it or Our World and Our Childrens world will NEVER be safe.

The timing though was COMPLETELY wrong.

I now wonder if one day my children will be visiting The Iraq Traveling Memorial Wall, and how many names will be on it??

[conversationpc]

Has anyone else noticed how there is little if any talk of Republicans challenging the election results in court like the loser liberals did in the last two major elections? Just curious if anyone else noticed that.

[RunningAlone Pgh]

Has anyone else noticed how there is little if any talk of Republicans challenging the election results in court like the loser liberals did in the last two major elections? Just curious if anyone else noticed that.

Love the visual, Dave!

[yak]

Has anyone else noticed how there is little if any talk of Republicans challenging the election results in court like the loser liberals did in the last two major elections? Just curious if anyone else noticed that.

Absolutely. The blind won't acknowledge it, though. Maybe the Republicans should check to see exactly how much fraud went on. Here in New York you had Barbra Streisand contributing money to upstate NY unknowns, who Clinton supported. Individuals who have no experience, but have been proven to have taken money from known felons.

As for the minimum wage argument, minimum wage was never set up to help a parent raise a family. It was designed for kids taking a first job, for the menial jobs, etc. It was never designed to be a wage to equal those with a college education. A college dregree isn't out of reach for anybody who wants to work hard. There are hundreds of scholarships available, some not well known, but they're out there. I would be more worried about the illegal aliens taking those jobs over first, and then taking over your jobs ...they already are working construction jobs (because supposedly no Americans want those jobs?)

[Eric]

Has anyone else noticed how there is little if any talk of Republicans challenging the election results in court like the loser liberals did in the last two major elections? Just curious if anyone else noticed that.

Absolutely. The blind won't acknowledge it, though. Maybe the Republicans should check to see exactly how much fraud went on. Here in New York you had Barbra Streisand contributing money to upstate NY unknowns, who Clinton supported. Individuals who have no experience, but have been proven to have taken money from known felons.

As for the minimum wage argument, minimum wage was never set up to help a parent raise a family. It was designed for kids taking a first job, for the menial jobs, etc. It was never designed to be a wage to equal those with a college education. A college dregree isn't out of reach for anybody who wants to work hard. There are hundreds of scholarships available, some not well known, but they're out there. I would be more worried about the illegal aliens taking those jobs over first, and then taking over your jobs ...they already are working construction jobs (because supposedly no Americans want those jobs?)

Good point.

Here is a link to some debt numbers. You'll see that only 23% of debt belongs to foreign investors....
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

One of the smartest things Colin Powell did was to get out when he did.

Actually, he was fired.

No no he was not.....He was so sick, he left this shit.

Yes yes he was.
Dude, you know me better than to think I would wantonly spew lies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00106.html

[rsimpson]

[quote]Then and only then after Osama has been captured or killed and the Taliban been rendered too weak to launch any sort of attack anywhere in the free world do we go after Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.
[quote]

I suppose now that Saddam has been sentenced to death, we can charge BUSH for HIS crimes against humanity

[Crazie Scarab]

Then and only then after Osama has been captured or killed and the Taliban been rendered too weak to launch any sort of attack anywhere in the free world do we go after Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.

I suppose now that Saddam has been sentenced to death, we can charge BUSH for HIS crimes against humanity

And everybody in the house & senate who voted to go into Iraq in the first place, too? That'll take out most of our government. OK. I'm all for it!

[rsimpson]

Then and only then after Osama has been captured or killed and the Taliban been rendered too weak to launch any sort of attack anywhere in the free world do we go after Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.

I suppose now that Saddam has been sentenced to death, we can charge BUSH for HIS crimes against humanity

And everybody in the house & senate who voted to go into Iraq in the first place, too? That'll take out most of our government. OK. I'm all for it!

Not everybody. Just the republicans

[rdekker]

So all the rumours were true then, he was lipsyncing during all those speeches he made.

[yogi]

EVERYTHING Rumsfield said the last two months was voice enhanced.

He figured since Journey did it and it worked out for them why not try it.


The exact same thing happened to him happened to Steve Augeri.

Steve was covering for Neal and took the fall, now Rummy is covering for George, and he will also take the fall!!!!!

[yak]

Here is a link to some debt numbers. You'll see that only 23% of debt belongs to foreign investors....
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

Interesting site. Thanks. Worth bookmarking, and keeping track of from now on.