You're Journey's New Management Team....

[Monker]

If Augeri actually lipped for as many years as some on here state, what an incredible cover-up it was...only to eventually be revealed through the happenstance of one European "whistle-blowing" engineer and a fan who decided to create a blog about it. It really doesn't seem plausible to me that it went on for as long as it supposedly did, but either way, I lose no sleep over it.

And, THAT is why I will never subscribe to what TNC is asking me to. It's going to take a LOT more evidence for me to believe it happened for as long, and as often, as what is being proposed.

[Monker]

I just think for the good of the band, and us, that perhaps we should just let this go away and concentrate on the future. I doubt I will weigh in on thisa issue again. I am onboard with the Band and am pumped for the future.

It will never go away.

When Journey tours with JSS, you don't think they are going to do radio interviews and somewhere along the line be asked about this? It's going to haunt them as long as Perry's hip.

[ArnelRox]

I just cannot see that the grapevine could be kept quiet for that long in such a back stabbing and incestuous industry. It may be that there were murmerings and whispers when they began augmenting Augeri's vocals at the outset in '03 and they have ramped up as the augmentation became more common? If flown in vocals had been used extensively when his voice was failing it would have been in the public domain much quicker. All the people who would have been exposed to it (monitor/FOH mix/crew/etc etc) could not have kept quiet for 2 years. A buzz like that would have been everywhere instantly. It was surely a case of degrees.

Ok let me be a bit more specific for u. I was told by someone who is in the music biz that Augeri was having vocal problems in June 2004. I didn't believe it even when I saw it w/my own eyes at 5 shows that year. In July 2005, I was told (by the same person) he was not singing live for more than a few minutes & tapes were being used. At the time, I hadn't even heard of MR, Deano, Svante, Bionic, Jeremey, or anyone else mentioned here.

[ArnelRox]

There's the rub - I first heard this story a week or so after I'd seen them at the Arrow Rock fest in Holland, where they did sound unbelieveably good, but why would the band and management agree to have the whole gig recorded live through a mobile studio backstage - there was no way the whole facade would NOT be rumbled. Either they DID want to get caught or this is all an elaborate hoax....now we're back to square one.

Ah fuck it, I'm going to bed.

Really different circumstances from the way things are recorded at live shows in the US. In the US, the sound goes thru the sound booth, then to the live feed. Being the arrogant Americans we are, we assume everyone else does it that way. In Sweden, w/this particular radio station, they have great equipment & generally mix the sound themselves. Most US bands are very surprised. Some object to that & the feeds have to be sent to their mixing people to mix before being broadcast. Others just want to listen before it's broadcast & give their final ok. Apparently, perhaps b/c Journey hadn't toured in Europe in 25 yrs, they hadn't counted on it being done this way. Probably when they last toured in Europe, they didn't have all that equipment to do what they do now. Apparently it was discussed as to why the feed couldn't just come from the booth, but in the last minute rush, it got overlooked.

[ArnelRox]

You people make things so damn complicated. It's obvious to me from things said on this site that a few people in a clique speculated that some tapes sounded the same...and then Dean went on a binge and compared this and that and started alluding to it on the forum...making everybody wonder what was up. Then Dave made it public.

Wrong! It was talked about in 2004 long before anyone listened to boots & probably long before it made it anywhere near this forum behind the scenes or in public.

READ what I said. There IS NO EVIDENCE presented on this forum other then people listening to bootlegs and Svante. So what if people talk behind the scenes. That's not evidence...that's gossip.

So listen to some boots urself & get ur own evidence. That's what I did. That's NOT gossip.

[Monker]

Wrong! It was talked about in 2004 long before anyone listened to boots & probably long before it made it anywhere near this forum behind the scenes or in public.

NO I'M NOT. That is how it was discussed ON THIS FORUM.

The rumors of 'tapes' have been going on for YEARS. It was even posted and argued about on VH1 forums, I believe.

So listen to some boots urself & get ur own evidence. That's what I did. That's NOT gossip.

No, it's boots and more opinion which is ALL meaningless crap. It's the type of 'evidence' used to 'prove' there was no moon landing, or that aliens exist.

You want to PROVE it...Get somebody in the Journey organization to publicly comment on it or get a soundboard recording of 2001 DVD vocals during a 2004/5/6 concert...and you'll prove he 'lipped' ONE CONCERT. When you can provide THAT, then you will have something. Otherwise, it is ALL speculation and opinion.l

[ArnelRox]

NO I'M NOT. That is how it was discussed ON THIS FORUM.

Ur stuck on what was said on THIS forum. I'm trying to give u an education. Oh fuck, why bother w/a dumbass like u.

The rumors of 'tapes' have been going on for YEARS. It was even posted and argued about on VH1 forums, I believe.

Again, I'm talking about stuff that was NOT said on the internet, but was told to me by a reputable source LONG before I ever heard of the VH1 forums or this forum. Would u please get some new specs, old man so u can read what people write before spouting shit out of ur mouth!

No, it's boots and more opinion which is ALL meaningless crap. It's the type of 'evidence' used to 'prove' there was no moon landing, or that aliens exist.

Well my ears still work. I forgot ur so old & mean, urs probably don't.

You want to PROVE it...

No u fool, I have no desire to PROVE it. I proved it to myself & that's all that matters. I don't need to shame Journey. They fixed the problem & moved on. Why don't u follow suit? Oh that's right, u just like to whine. What a fucking miserable life u have! Get out, smell the fresh air, look up at the sky. If it's snowing where u are, make a fucking snowball & stick it in ur mouth. Do something other than whine. At least get some cheese to go w/it. Sheesh! Do u have any idea how stupid u come across? Yeah I know, u don't care. U just wanna piss people off. That's ur MO. [/quote]

[Monker]

Ur stuck on what was said on THIS forum. I'm trying to give u an education. Oh fuck, why bother w/a dumbass like u.

If you read the original post you replied to you will seee that I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS FORUM and how Dean got all ballistic. What happened two years ago doesn't mean shit to that thread of thought. How fucking stupid ARE YOU?

Again, I'm talking about stuff that was NOT said on the internet, but was told to me by a reputable source LONG before I ever heard of the VH1 forums or this forum. Would u please get some new specs, old man so u can read what people write before spouting shit out of ur mouth!

Blah, blah, blah. He said she said second hand bullshit. Why should I give a damn? What some 'industry insider' says to you means absolutely NOTHING to me. These are the same type of 'sources' people keep quoting as evidence that Perry will have an album out soon...they mean NOTHING to me.

Well my ears still work. I forgot ur so old & mean, urs probably don't.

Your ears may work...but your brain has a problem. An OPINION of a bootleg doesn't PROVE anything.

No u fool, I have no desire to PROVE it. I proved it to myself & that's all that matters.

Then don't reply to my post where I say this and that is what would qualify as REAL evidence and proof.

I don't need to shame Journey.

Of course not...they have done that to themselves.

They fixed the problem & moved on.

THAT is my point...they didn't 'fix' anything. If everything you believe is FACT, then JOURNEY is fucked up...not just Augeri's vocals. The PROBLEM still exists in the band...Augeri was the symptom - not the disease.

Why don't u follow suit? Oh that's right, u just like to whine. What a fucking miserable life u have! Get out, smell the fresh air, look up at the sky. If it's snowing where u are, make a fucking snowball & stick it in ur mouth. Do something other than whine. At least get some cheese to go w/it. Sheesh! Do u have any idea how stupid u come across? Yeah I know, u don't care. U just wanna piss people off. That's ur MO.

And, listen to YOU whine about the conversation YOU STARTED with me. You knew what you were getting into when you replied to my post. Talk about doing nothing but wanting to piss people off, that's exactly what you are trying to do here.

You want to prove something to me, put up some real evidence...Not some second hand hearsay bullshit.

[Andrew]

Going nowhere...yet again...