Why Not Re-Hire Augeri?

[chf34jmac]

Story Teller - The time has come to let Augeri off the hook. Recent events show us without question the morals that these fucking assholes have when it comes to people. Let the alone. He got screwed enough. Vent you anger and frustration at Fro and Friga. They're the ones who keep fucking things up!

[mrmusicman73]

I suppose he could do that but he is/was probably monumentally embarrassed by the whole thing. I know I would be! Besides that you know as well as everyone else that if he agreed to do interviews, the subject is gonna come up. Why put yourself in that situation?

Well, sure the subject would come up in interviews, but all he would have to say as that per his agreements with Journey he cannot talk about his time there. I would feel the same way about being fired but at the same time I would want to bring my fans with me by talking advantage of the momentum I had created while I was there if I was him. I think he would have received a lot more respect from the fans if he had done that.

And as far as interviews are concerened, he doesn't have to agree to them, he could simply have maintained a presence in forums like this one which could have allowed him to carefully choose his words ensuring he didn't violate his agreements with Journey.

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

[amaron]

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

Well, I assume it's because he's HATED by Perry fans and a lot of his fans have blamed him and him alone for the TG incident.

Would you want to bother to talk to anyone?

[*Laura]

It would seem to me that having Augeri return would be the only way they could repair the negative image thay have created with the fans surrounding the JSS situation.

That would be terrible.Imagine the comments,the interviews ...
There is no way back.No Augeri,no JSS.It's over.

[Saint John]

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

Well, I assume it's because he's HATED by Perry fans and a lot of his fans have blamed him and him alone for the TG incident.

Would you want to bother to talk to anyone?

I've NEVER heard ONE Augeri fan blame him for TapeGate. I used to blame him, but have since recanted, apologized and moved on. I will go see him solo as a means of reparations. Didn't like him in Journey, but he did NOT deserve the abuse I gave him.

[Món]

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

Well, I assume it's because he's HATED by Perry fans and a lot of his fans have blamed him and him alone for the TG incident.

Would you want to bother to talk to anyone?

I've NEVER heard ONE Augeri fan blame him for TapeGate. I used to blame him, but have since recanted, apologized and moved on. I will go see him solo as a means of reparations. Didn't like him in Journey, but he did NOT deserve the abuse I gave him.

Yup. Pretty much.

[amaron]

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

Well, I assume it's because he's HATED by Perry fans and a lot of his fans have blamed him and him alone for the TG incident.

Would you want to bother to talk to anyone?

I've NEVER heard ONE Augeri fan blame him for TapeGate. I used to blame him, but have since recanted, apologized and moved on. I will go see him solo as a means of reparations. Didn't like him in Journey, but he did NOT deserve the abuse I gave him.

Did you stop posting here once it happened? Deano, who WAS an Augeri fan, blamed him for it.

[chf34jmac]

For the record, Deano has also publicly apologized here for the things he said about Augeri.

[Món]

It's pretty simple, really:

Augeri doesn't have the Perry pipes. Anyway, he gave 8 years of his life and a good chance of reivindication to a band that was pretty much DEAD. They worked him to death, only to pay him with a kick in the nuts and a "thank you".

They did the same with JSS. The only "positive" thing is, the JSS gig lasted months only.

I respect Augeri. A lot.

I think I don't respect Journey the way I used to, tho.

[Saint John]

And lots of time has past now, why continue his absolute silence this long?

Well, I assume it's because he's HATED by Perry fans and a lot of his fans have blamed him and him alone for the TG incident.

Would you want to bother to talk to anyone?

I've NEVER heard ONE Augeri fan blame him for TapeGate. I used to blame him, but have since recanted, apologized and moved on. I will go see him solo as a means of reparations. Didn't like him in Journey, but he did NOT deserve the abuse I gave him.

Did you stop posting here once it happened? Deano, who WAS an Augeri fan, blamed him for it.

Good point. Fucker.

[amaron]

For the record, Deano has also publicly apologized here for the things he said about Augeri.

If he did, then that's cool. I missed it personally, as I had stopped posting here for a while and came back a week after JSS was fired.

[Liz22562]

I must have missed that apology also, Amaron. I have been lurking and usually just breezed through some of the threads. Had I seen that I know I would have passed out cold.

[Jeremey fan forever]

Here's why they should've never hired Augeri in the first place!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf4xsAv5UE


Here's the guy they had the chance to hire but didn't (he's heavy as hell here, but you can tell by his vocal quality that he has the chords to pull off the dirty dozen). Neal was on record as saying that West even sounded more like Perry at the audition than Augeri. In and interview with West, he mentioned that Augeri lost his voice AT his audition and they still picked him. Go figure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CYN4d88 ... ed&search=

Hey, Royal Hunt sounds pretty good! I like, it thanks for the link. As for Journey, I heard a rumor that Hugo is the answer. Well, maybe the questions was just gay...

[STORY_TELLER]

Story Teller - The time has come to let Augeri off the hook. Recent events show us without question the morals that these fucking assholes have when it comes to people. Let the alone. He got screwed enough. Vent you anger and frustration at Fro and Friga. They're the ones who keep fucking things up!

Sorry, but I think you misread anger into my post. Frustration, certainly, but not anger. More to the point, the frustration was clearly (I thought) aimed at Neal for picking Augeri in the first place when he had another better qualified singer at his fingertips (John West). My post simply pointed out why Augeri was never the right guy for the job. Nothing personal. He hasn't done anything wrong and I hear he's the sweetest guy in the world. Doesn't mean he was qualified to front Journey. He never had the pipes for it.

That being said, I dig the 'Eternal Light' demo track that's been floating around. And THAT being said, he's still not right for Journey.

[STORY_TELLER]

Hey, Royal Hunt sounds pretty good! I like, it thanks for the link. As for Journey, I heard a rumor that Hugo is the answer. Well, maybe the questions was just gay...

FUNNY! (grumbles under breath> ...you son of a..!)

...ahem...

To correct you, yet again, I always said Hugo should be tapped in a writing capacity for Journey. He has a creative head for melody ala the Steve Perry formula and knows how to create original music which sounds like Perry era Journey. Something Jon and Neal can't seem to do on their own. Perry himself said Neal was the wrecklessness, Jon was Amadeus and he (Perry) was the MELODY. That's what's been missing from their new material (not to mention a singer who can pull off the melodies with an emotional delivery like Perry).

Hugo is GREAT in a studio where he can "tweak" his vocals. Is he as good as Steve Perry? Of course not. Get him in a live environment and, eh, he falls short. I clearly admit that. But you know what? I want new Perry era Journey material. That means recordings I can play and repeat over and over again. I don't care if they're pro-tooled to death as long as they hit that emotional melodic execution which I (and most of the rest of us) still love to this day. I'm willing to bet Jon and Neal alone will not give us that with the next new singer, no matter how good his chops are at IMITATING Perry on the dirty dozen.

[Rick]

Hey, Royal Hunt sounds pretty good! I like, it thanks for the link. As for Journey, I heard a rumor that Hugo is the answer. Well, maybe the questions was just gay...

FUNNY! (grumbles under breath> ...you son of a..!)

...ahem...

To correct you, yet again, I always said Hugo should be tapped in a writing capacity for Journey. He has a creative head for melody ala the Steve Perry formula and knows how to create original music which sounds like Perry era Journey. Something Jon and Neal can't seem to do on their own. Perry himself said Neal was the wrecklessness, Jon was Amadeus and he (Perry) was the MELODY. That's what's been missing from their new material (not to mention a singer who can pull off the melodies with an emotional delivery like Perry).

Hugo is GREAT in a studio where he can "tweak" his vocals. Is he as good as Steve Perry? Of course not. Get him in a live environment and, eh, he falls short. I clearly admit that. But you know what? I want new Perry era Journey material. That means recordings I can play and repeat over and over again. I don't care if they're pro-tooled to death as long as they hit that emotional melodic execution which I (and most of the rest of us) still love to this day. I'm willing to bet Jon and Neal alone will not give us that with the next new singer, no matter how good his chops are at IMITATING Perry on the dirty dozen.

I wonder if they approached Perry about helping write, if he would do that, in that capacity only. I think he would if he didn't have to sing it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

In and interview with West, he mentioned that Augeri lost his voice AT his audition and they still picked him. Go figure:

While West's interview seemed to indicate just that, Andrew cleared this up, saying West meant Augeri had to get in-shape before auditioning with Jon and Neal.
By all accounts (incluing Augeri's own), he hit the audition out of the park.

[mistiejourney]

It's pretty simple, really:

Augeri doesn't have the Perry pipes. Anyway, he gave 8 years of his life and a good chance of reivindication to a band that was pretty much DEAD. They worked him to death, only to pay him with a kick in the nuts and a "thank you".

They did the same with JSS. The only "positive" thing is, the JSS gig lasted months only.

I respect Augeri. A lot.

I think I don't respect Journey the way I used to, tho.

Well said

[NealIsGod]

I must have missed that apology also, Amaron. I have been lurking and usually just breezed through some of the threads. Had I seen that I know I would have passed out cold.

Yeah, I was looking for the Four Horsemen after reading it, Liz.

[jrnyfan@nc.rr.com]

Seems like an OK thread to post this - but I was just thinking that today is the 1-year anniversary of Augeri's last performance with Journey. As I sat there at Walnut Creek that night, I never ever would have believed what would happened over the next 365 days of Journey history. Just weird

[Little Lenny]

Okay, I have to ask...

Loads of people have stated that Augeri's voice is back right? Well if this is the case, why wouldn't Journey just allow him to return? If Steve Perry doesn't return, wouldn't rehiring Augeri be the RIGHT and HONERABLE thing to do? Particularly since the man gave Journey and the fans eight years of his life to the cause and was also responsible for Journey being allowed to continue as it has. Don’t they owe him? It would seem to me that having Augeri return would be the only way they could repair the negative image thay have created with the fans surrounding the JSS situation. The only other way would be to work it out with Perry.

Your thoughts….

I think after being made a scape goat over the tapegate thing, he wouldn't entertain the idea, as the sayign goes once bitten twice shy

[amaron]

Okay, I have to ask...

Loads of people have stated that Augeri's voice is back right? Well if this is the case, why wouldn't Journey just allow him to return? If Steve Perry doesn't return, wouldn't rehiring Augeri be the RIGHT and HONERABLE thing to do? Particularly since the man gave Journey and the fans eight years of his life to the cause and was also responsible for Journey being allowed to continue as it has. Don’t they owe him? It would seem to me that having Augeri return would be the only way they could repair the negative image thay have created with the fans surrounding the JSS situation. The only other way would be to work it out with Perry.

Your thoughts….

I think after being made a scape goat over the tapegate thing, he wouldn't entertain the idea, as the sayign goes once bitten twice shy

Exactly.

Why the hell would he want back in this mix? He won't be successful commercially in Journey anyways, so why not just do music on his own?

[JourneySinger]

Okay, I have to ask...

Loads of people have stated that Augeri's voice is back right? Well if this is the case, why wouldn't Journey just allow him to return? If Steve Perry doesn't return, wouldn't rehiring Augeri be the RIGHT and HONERABLE thing to do? Particularly since the man gave Journey and the fans eight years of his life to the cause and was also responsible for Journey being allowed to continue as it has. Don’t they owe him? It would seem to me that having Augeri return would be the only way they could repair the negative image thay have created with the fans surrounding the JSS situation. The only other way would be to work it out with Perry.

Your thoughts….

What I am about to say may cause a storm of criticism... but watch the 2001 DVD and pay VERY close attention to his vocals...

1.) MAJOR effects - Chorus, Reverb, Delay, and some sort of synthesized compression...
2.) UNABLE TO SUSTAIN - A lot of the notes that were held out by Perry from the records and their 1981 Houston DVD are NOT in the 2001 Augeri edition.
3.) THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS - Look at his face when he's singing and you'll see the strain and the pain...

He has A LOT of trouble with the Journey Catalog.... like a lot of people have said...

That doesn't make him a 'less than stellar' vocalist... it just means he's not Journey material (if they continue to play their classics and write songs similar to them).

Now, Augeri with Journey under a different name... singing songs in his range... that would be something interesting to see.