dismissed in '77 and returned in '07

[mikemarrs]

could robert fleishman end up fronting journey again?

this would be really strange if this happens.

[Escape Artist]

could robert fleishman end up fronting journey again?

this would be really strange if this happens.

Lay off the crack pipe

[mikemarrs]

just a suggestion....

i think he has more money than he can handle anyway.i think he was an heir to a margarine fortune if i'm correct.

[STORY_TELLER]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

[StoneCold]

Out of the millions of people in the world, why even consider hiring any of these over 40 singers?

RF was out for a reason, no way he'd be coming back in.

Exception, the only one that I think could come back and be a definite hit would be Gregg Rolie.

I know he can't do the high notes but so what. Just Jam the old stuff and let Deen cover the high notes.

[stevew2]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

Thats was cool to have seen that,i wish I was there

[STORY_TELLER]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

Thats was cool to have seen that,i wish I was there

OH it was AMAZING. I was praying Perry would show up and give us a thrill, but it didn't happen. Neal came back on stage at the end of the last song and apologized that Perry didn't show (as in: "sorry guys, Steve's a no show").

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

[StoneCold]

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

Smitty's the reason TBF is a keeper.

The interplay between the drums, guitar and vocals on TBF is awesome.

He's one that isn't mentioned much in these forums but really deserves as much credit as the others..

Also, to his credit, he didn't wanna cash in on the post Perry Journey train. A classy guy.

[stevew2]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

Thats was cool to have seen that,i wish I was there

OH it was AMAZING. I was praying Perry would show up and give us a thrill, but it didn't happen. Neal came back on stage at the end of the last song and apologized that Perry didn't show (as in: "sorry guys, Steve's a no show").

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

Thats cool ,Steve Smith is a class act all the way!What a drummer!! I dont think Neal would ever expect Steve P to show up.I am happy for you that you got to see the show.What a dream .Living on the east coast has its draw backs. i wish i ve cold have been there. Things are different now,what a shame

[chf34jmac]

The reason that Smitty isn't mentioned much here is respect. He is a world class drummer and an even bigger world class human being. To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

[journeyrock]

To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

VERY WELL SAID!!

[StoneCold]

The reason that Smitty isn't mentioned much here is respect. He is a world class drummer and an even bigger world class human being. To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

Good to see Smitty respected here.

How did you get backstage during Frontiers?

[jrnyval]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

I was there, too!!! Was that not a completely awesome night and one to remember for a long, long time?!! Will never forget that night, hell, the whole weekend!!

[STORY_TELLER]

Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

I was there, too!!! Was that not a completely awesome night and one to remember for a long, long time?!! Will never forget that night, hell, the whole weekend!!

It was a great experience. I never got to see Journey live in the Perry days. I discovered Journey AFTER they broke up in 87. I was more into Bon Jovi and Van Hagar at the time. (my band used to cover those groups). I was REALLY hoping someone video or audio taped that night. The Steve Smith moments were jaw dropping. I'd love to hear them again.

[bluejeangirl76]

The reason that Smitty isn't mentioned much here is respect. He is a world class drummer and an even bigger world class human being. To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

Agreed on all counts, ESPECIALLY this one: To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Greatest living rock drummer there is. (2nd overall.... )

[Abitaman]

I got the show somewhere, pretty good-ERIC

[SPFan4ever]

I do not know if anyone has even read this but here is why the band fired Soto. If they want to sound like Led Zeppelin again then they need to hire Robert.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... _will.html

[NealIsGod]

I do not know if anyone has even read this but here is why the band fired Soto. If they want to sound like Led Zeppelin again then they need to hire Robert.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... _will.html

So you think it is all Cain's fault? He may have led the charge, but Neal and Jon both need to agree on something like that.

[SPFan4ever]

Where did I say it was all Cain's fault? You cannot take something out of context when the article plainly states it was a "group decision" to get rid of him.

[NealIsGod]

Where did I say it was all Cain's fault? You cannot take something out of context when the article plainly states it was a "group decision" to get rid of him.

Yeah, but the article says Cain didn't like the way Soto sounded singing Journey songs is the reason he was let go.

[SPFan4ever]

Are you referring to this quote?

I can see Cain's displeasure with the way Jeff Scott Soto sang Journey's songs, he sounded nothing like Perry.

If you are then Cain did not say that. The author of the piece stated his opinion and injected what he feels Cain's reasons were.

This was Cains statement in the article.

Since this quote has been released by Johnathon Cain, "We wish Jeff the best of luck, we just wanted to move in a different direction sonically. We're interested in our legacy right now. We want to sound like our old records and we want to sound like the 65 million units that are out there"

Journey is NOW interested in the legacy? Hmmmm...

[Journey/Survivor]

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly [/b]ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

[Journey/Survivor]

Damnit, I always screw up the bold lettering. Only the word ROCK should have been in bold in my last post.

[larryfromnextdoor]

delete the above post and EDIT the original! easy stuff..

[STORY_TELLER]

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

Everything I've heard from Dean (Bad English to Hardline to Journey) all has the exact same approach. He's a good pounder, but he lacks sophistication, subtlety, finesse. He's a one trick pony, delivering the same solution and energy to every song. Doesn't make him a bad drummer. Just not in the league of Steve Smith. Smith's an artist. Creative and innovative in ways Dean (and most other drummers) aren't. It's one of the things that makes the current Journey lineup sound less than their legacy. Smith won't be back without Perry of course, so there's no chance he will rejoin. Even still, Dean should come out from behind the drums and sing. He's the best lead vocalist available to them to tour the dirty dozen. He's a better singer than a drummer I think.

[ScarabGator]

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

Everything I've heard from Dean (Bad English to Hardline to Journey) all has the exact same approach. He's a good pounder, but he lacks sophistication, subtlety, finesse. He's a one trick pony, delivering the same solution and energy to every song. Doesn't make him a bad drummer. Just not in the league of Steve Smith. Smith's an artist. Creative and innovative in ways Dean (and most other drummers) aren't. It's one of the things that makes the current Journey lineup sound less than their legacy. Smith won't be back without Perry of course, so there's no chance he will rejoin. Even still, Dean should come out from behind the drums and sing. He's the best lead vocalist available to them to tour the dirty dozen. He's a better singer than a drummer I think.

Deen is a good drummer and a hell of a nice guy but a permanent lead singer? Nope. First off, he doesnt wanna be, hes made that clear. A song here and there is fine for him but lets not get carried away. BTW-I think his drumming sounds just fine. Pay close attention to him on the Journey 2001 DVD. He sounded great.

[heardonthestreet]

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

Everything I've heard from Dean (Bad English to Hardline to Journey) all has the exact same approach. He's a good pounder, but he lacks sophistication, subtlety, finesse. He's a one trick pony, delivering the same solution and energy to every song. Doesn't make him a bad drummer. Just not in the league of Steve Smith. Smith's an artist. Creative and innovative in ways Dean (and most other drummers) aren't. It's one of the things that makes the current Journey lineup sound less than their legacy. Smith won't be back without Perry of course, so there's no chance he will rejoin. Even still, Dean should come out from behind the drums and sing. He's the best lead vocalist available to them to tour the dirty dozen. He's a better singer than a drummer I think.

I agree about how you hear Deen as the drummer. In the thread awhile back that Jeff's son posted, he added some youtube links and what you described is evident in the Ask The Lonely song. It was why I said that the links didn't sound like Journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpon2JofaU