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Postby Journey69 » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:53 am

Strange Medicine wrote:Eddie Van Halen is as big of an egotist as Neal Schon. Same technical brilliance and musical ego, the difference being that I doubt EVH can exude the same emotion and heart into the solos as Schon (since he didn't come up with them) and I enjoy seeing Schon live.

I also don't agree with firing Cain. I enjoy new material from Journey, and I hate to tell you, but he's the best lyricist they've got. Perry/Schon is good, but you can't top Perry/Cain/Schon.


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Postby mikemarrs » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:06 pm

it would be cool to see rollie play some 80's era journey material from escape,frontiers,raised on radio and maybe even trial by fire.it would be very cool to see his take on that material.....
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Postby Strange Medicine » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:30 pm

I'm still adamant about keeping Jonathan Cain. Perry and Schon have this sort've magic about them when they're performing together, but Cain contributes as well. Give the man his props; he's the best songwriter out of the three, you can't touch Perry/Schon/Cain collaborations. He's also the most versatile musician: vocals, keyboards, rhythm guitar, and harmonica. Rolie's the better singer (love the '70s duets with Perry), but he's an absolutely shitty songwriter (I have to ignore the lyrics in many Storm songs and just listen to Chalfant and the band itself. How he sings rather than what he sings, y'know) and say what you want about Cain's cheesy synth moments -- at least they had melody to them. And as much as I love Rolie and Cain's piano performances, I would not handle "Stone in Love" with keyboards (since Rolie can't play the guitar).

His personal life aside, Cain's simply the better choice.

As for Deen vs. Steve... eh... Steve's doing his own thing now, and put it in perspective, folks. Perry's still got a killer voice, but it's tired and worn in comparison to his glory days. And removing Deen is removing the second strongest singer from the band. The backing vocals will either need to be dubbed, or they'd be sickening. And he's a talented drummer as well. Can you imagine the Perry/Deen harmonies? Awesome just to think about.

So, yeah. Cain and Deen all the way.
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Re: IF journey did get back with perry and your the manager.

Postby ForceInfinity » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:38 pm

mikemarrs wrote:IF journey did get back with perry and your the manager what would be your strategy as far as planning what the band would do?


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Postby donnaplease » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:37 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:I'm still adamant about keeping Jonathan Cain. Perry and Schon have this sort've magic about them when they're performing together, but Cain contributes as well. Give the man his props; he's the best songwriter out of the three, you can't touch Perry/Schon/Cain collaborations. He's also the most versatile musician: vocals, keyboards, rhythm guitar, and harmonica. Rolie's the better singer (love the '70s duets with Perry), but he's an absolutely shitty songwriter (I have to ignore the lyrics in many Storm songs and just listen to Chalfant and the band itself. How he sings rather than what he sings, y'know) and say what you want about Cain's cheesy synth moments -- at least they had melody to them. And as much as I love Rolie and Cain's piano performances, I would not handle "Stone in Love" with keyboards (since Rolie can't play the guitar).

His personal life aside, Cain's simply the better choice.

As for Deen vs. Steve... eh... Steve's doing his own thing now, and put it in perspective, folks. Perry's still got a killer voice, but it's tired and worn in comparison to his glory days. And removing Deen is removing the second strongest singer from the band. The backing vocals will either need to be dubbed, or they'd be sickening. And he's a talented drummer as well. Can you imagine the Perry/Deen harmonies? Awesome just to think about.

So, yeah. Cain and Deen all the way.


Have you heard his latest effort? Winds of Freedom? It sucks. My 5th grade daughter could've done as well writing out of her Social Studies book. :?

Edit to add: If they're only interested in singing the classics, they don't need a writer anyway. Dump the princess. Bring back Rolie.
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Postby StoneCold » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:01 am

I'd tell them all to take a chill pill, forget the past, and get to work!

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Postby Strange Medicine » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:05 am

donnaplease wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:I'm still adamant about keeping Jonathan Cain. Perry and Schon have this sort've magic about them when they're performing together, but Cain contributes as well. Give the man his props; he's the best songwriter out of the three, you can't touch Perry/Schon/Cain collaborations. He's also the most versatile musician: vocals, keyboards, rhythm guitar, and harmonica. Rolie's the better singer (love the '70s duets with Perry), but he's an absolutely shitty songwriter (I have to ignore the lyrics in many Storm songs and just listen to Chalfant and the band itself. How he sings rather than what he sings, y'know) and say what you want about Cain's cheesy synth moments -- at least they had melody to them. And as much as I love Rolie and Cain's piano performances, I would not handle "Stone in Love" with keyboards (since Rolie can't play the guitar).

His personal life aside, Cain's simply the better choice.

As for Deen vs. Steve... eh... Steve's doing his own thing now, and put it in perspective, folks. Perry's still got a killer voice, but it's tired and worn in comparison to his glory days. And removing Deen is removing the second strongest singer from the band. The backing vocals will either need to be dubbed, or they'd be sickening. And he's a talented drummer as well. Can you imagine the Perry/Deen harmonies? Awesome just to think about.

So, yeah. Cain and Deen all the way.


Have you heard his latest effort? Winds of Freedom? It sucks. My 5th grade daughter could've done as well writing out of her Social Studies book. :?

Edit to add: If they're only interested in singing the classics, they don't need a writer anyway. Dump the princess. Bring back Rolie.


If I remember correctly, the song was a half-assed effort for their performance in Virginia. And even for such an odd choice of topic, the lyrics are still better than anything Rolie can come up with. I'm personally sick and tired of hearing the dirty dozen and so forth. Let Journey continue to put out music. And to do that, they need the Perry/Cain/Schon magic.
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Postby StoneCold » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:49 am

Strange Medicine wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:I'm still adamant about keeping Jonathan Cain. Perry and Schon have this sort've magic about them when they're performing together, but Cain contributes as well. Give the man his props; he's the best songwriter out of the three, you can't touch Perry/Schon/Cain collaborations. He's also the most versatile musician: vocals, keyboards, rhythm guitar, and harmonica. Rolie's the better singer (love the '70s duets with Perry), but he's an absolutely shitty songwriter (I have to ignore the lyrics in many Storm songs and just listen to Chalfant and the band itself. How he sings rather than what he sings, y'know) and say what you want about Cain's cheesy synth moments -- at least they had melody to them. And as much as I love Rolie and Cain's piano performances, I would not handle "Stone in Love" with keyboards (since Rolie can't play the guitar).

His personal life aside, Cain's simply the better choice.

As for Deen vs. Steve... eh... Steve's doing his own thing now, and put it in perspective, folks. Perry's still got a killer voice, but it's tired and worn in comparison to his glory days. And removing Deen is removing the second strongest singer from the band. The backing vocals will either need to be dubbed, or they'd be sickening. And he's a talented drummer as well. Can you imagine the Perry/Deen harmonies? Awesome just to think about.

So, yeah. Cain and Deen all the way.


Have you heard his latest effort? Winds of Freedom? It sucks. My 5th grade daughter could've done as well writing out of her Social Studies book. :?

Edit to add: If they're only interested in singing the classics, they don't need a writer anyway. Dump the princess. Bring back Rolie.


If I remember correctly, the song was a half-assed effort for their performance in Virginia. And even for such an odd choice of topic, the lyrics are still better than anything Rolie can come up with. I'm personally sick and tired of hearing the dirty dozen and so forth. Let Journey continue to put out music. And to do that, they need the Perry/Cain/Schon magic.


Dissiin' the Rolster? Oh no, you didn't! Handwave, fingersnap. :lol:
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Postby Strange Medicine » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:52 am

I should specify: "I'm personally sick and tired of just hearing the dirty dozen", which is why I was pleased that JSS's involvement and the tour with Def Leppard inspired Journey to pull out the six gajillion other songs they have, out of the closet and into the spotlight. New material is also a plus.
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Postby heardonthestreet » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:29 am

IF journey did get back with perry and your the manager....


......I'd hand Perry the reins again, along with a whip, this time. :lol:
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Postby mikemarrs » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:04 am

i'd have a different setlist every night with a minimum of four or five new songs rotating in and out of the setlist every few shows to keep it fresh.maybe they'll play 'precious time' or 'sweet and simple' for a while then later something like 'too late' or 'people and places'.
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