"Girl Can't Help It" question

Voted Worlds #1 Most Loonatic Fanbase

Moderator: Andrew

"Girl Can't Help It" question

Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:10 pm

I've noticed that there is a slight difference in this song on between the ROR disc and the Greatest Hits disc -- near the end, there is a little extra Perry vocal on the Greatest Hits version. Has anyone else noticed or discussed this before? ( I need to listen to them both again to ensure I've got this straight).
Image
User avatar
Rip Rokken
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 9203
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:43 pm
Location: Vadokken City

Postby Perrydise » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:30 pm

Not sure myself Rip. I love this song. Thanks for giving me another reason to go listen to it a few hundred times more.
When in doubt, DUCK!
Perrydise
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1044
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:09 am

Re: "Girl Can't Help It" question

Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:48 pm

RipRokken wrote:I've noticed that there is a slight difference in this song on between the ROR disc and the Greatest Hits disc -- near the end, there is a little extra Perry vocal on the Greatest Hits version. Has anyone else noticed or discussed this before? ( I need to listen to them both again to ensure I've got this straight).


You're right. The Greatest Hits version is missing "There's a fiiiiirrrreee...." after the second chorus. It just goes into "oooooh, there's a fire in his eyes...." It always sounds weird to me no matter how many times I hear it. I'm too used to the album version.
User avatar
bluejeangirl76
MP3
 
Posts: 13346
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:36 am

Postby stoliddrummer » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:19 am

I just recently bought the greatest hits cd as I am normally against collections, and would rather have the original albums as intended. Because of the fact I just recently purchased it, I hadn't yet picked up on this difference, but after listening to it again you are right. That is really weird, I am so used to that other vocal line being in there. It sounds sort of empty without it.
stoliddrummer
Radio Waves
 
Posts: 36
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:19 pm

Re: "Girl Can't Help It" question

Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:22 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:You're right. The Greatest Hits version is missing "There's a fiiiiirrrreee...." after the second chorus. It just goes into "oooooh, there's a fire in his eyes...." It always sounds weird to me no matter how many times I hear it. I'm too used to the album version.


Hey, there -- you beat me to correcting myself, because I just listened to both on the way to work, and I got it backwards -- the Greatest Hits version lacks some vocals, and seems a bit shorter overall. Yes, the "There's a fiiiiirrrreee...." part, and I need to listen again, but I believe the portion where he goes, "Yeah! .... Fiiiiiiire, Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire" lacks a preceding extra 4 measures (if I'm counting right). I'll listen to them both again shortly and count. I first noticed this a couple of years ago when I was learning to sing the song and noted the difference. Thanks for the info! Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the extra measures being cut.
Image
User avatar
Rip Rokken
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 9203
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:43 pm
Location: Vadokken City

Re: "Girl Can't Help It" question

Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:34 am

RipRokken wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:You're right. The Greatest Hits version is missing "There's a fiiiiirrrreee...." after the second chorus. It just goes into "oooooh, there's a fire in his eyes...." It always sounds weird to me no matter how many times I hear it. I'm too used to the album version.


Hey, there -- you beat me to correcting myself, because I just listened to both on the way to work, and I got it backwards -- the Greatest Hits version lacks some vocals, and seems a bit shorter overall. Yes, the "There's a fiiiiirrrreee...." part, and I need to listen again, but I believe the portion where he goes, "Yeah! .... Fiiiiiiire, Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire" lacks a preceding extra 4 measures (if I'm counting right). I'll listen to them both again shortly and count. I first noticed this a couple of years ago when I was learning to sing the song and noted the difference. Thanks for the info! Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the extra measures being cut.


Wow, really? I didn't notice that. I might check that out later, in the unlikely event that I remember to do so. I knew about the missing vocal only because I had read it somewhere quite a long time ago, and at the time, it made me pull out GH and listen. The GH version sounds so unbalanced at the end with the missing vocal, but now that you mention this other thing, maybe that's another reason it seems unbalanced to me and I just didn't notice. Either way, I don't like it. Album version is so much better.

I never bothed imported GH into iTunes (since I have all the originals) so I literally never hear it.
If there are other diffferences I'd never even know about them. :lol:
User avatar
bluejeangirl76
MP3
 
Posts: 13346
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:36 am

Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:22 am

the Box Set live version is the best ..
larryfromnextdoor
MP3
 
Posts: 10331
Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:40 am

Postby ohsherrie » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:25 am

I like the song much better on the album too. I think those extra vocals add a lot to the song.
User avatar
ohsherrie
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 7601
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2003 12:42 pm

Postby Deb » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:38 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:the Box Set live version is the best ..


Agreed! The LIVE versions of GCHI and IBAWY are now bonus on the new ROR release. Love Perry's vocals on those and the ROR cd in general!

Perry's pipes and Neal's guitar.................ahhhhhh! :D

Image
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby conversationpc » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:04 am

I guess I never noticed this on the GH version. Love the song, though, especially those harmony vocals at the end.
My blog = Dave's Dominion
User avatar
conversationpc
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 17830
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:53 am
Location: Slightly south of sanity...

Postby Rockindeano » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:22 am

I believe it was edited for radio play. IBAWY is the same way. Shortened and edited. Where as live, the songs are longer and have more ad libs.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby journeyrock » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:41 am

Deb wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:the Box Set live version is the best ..


Agreed! The LIVE versions of GCHI and IBAWY are now bonus on the new ROR release. Love Perry's vocals on those and the ROR cd in general!

Perry's pipes and Neal's guitar.................ahhhhhh! :D

Image
Absolutely the best. Actually, I've put together my own ROR album with almost all songs live. It rocks.....
"as long as they have to carry DSB as their banner, it looks like Perry will be right there with them as an overseer, ready to wield his veto power on all things Classic Journey." As quoted by Don on 12/7/2010
User avatar
journeyrock
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1070
Joined: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:23 am
Location: Cit-ay by the Bay...well close enough

Postby CatEyes » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:00 am

Rockindeano wrote:I believe it was edited for radio play. IBAWY is the same way. Shortened and edited. Where as live, the songs are longer and have more ad libs.


Actually, IBAWY was not shortened for radio play - Perry insisted on leaving Neal's guitar on the end because he felt that it was so good that the stations would let it play out.

At 4:49 it is long compared to other Journey tunes at the time.

Cat
The daughters of lions are lions, too.
CatEyes
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1524
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:05 am

Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:03 am

Turns out I was wrong about the GH version being 4 measures short. They both seem to be the same length. Only that 1 vocal line seems to be missing.
Image
User avatar
Rip Rokken
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 9203
Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:43 pm
Location: Vadokken City

Postby Deb » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:03 am

CatEyes wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:I believe it was edited for radio play. IBAWY is the same way. Shortened and edited. Where as live, the songs are longer and have more ad libs.


Actually, IBAWY was not shortened for radio play - Perry insisted on leaving Neal's guitar on the end because he felt that it was so good that the stations would let it play out.

At 4:49 it is long compared to other Journey tunes at the time.

Cat


I thought that was Who's Crying Now? :?
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby CatEyes » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:06 am

Deb wrote:
CatEyes wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:I believe it was edited for radio play. IBAWY is the same way. Shortened and edited. Where as live, the songs are longer and have more ad libs.


Actually, IBAWY was not shortened for radio play - Perry insisted on leaving Neal's guitar on the end because he felt that it was so good that the stations would let it play out.

At 4:49 it is long compared to other Journey tunes at the time.

Cat


I thought that was Who's Crying Now? :?


Could have been .... maybe I just like the guitar work on IBAWY better and am heavily medicated.

:wink:
The daughters of lions are lions, too.
CatEyes
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1524
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:05 am

Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:09 am

Deb wrote:
CatEyes wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:I believe it was edited for radio play. IBAWY is the same way. Shortened and edited. Where as live, the songs are longer and have more ad libs.


Actually, IBAWY was not shortened for radio play - Perry insisted on leaving Neal's guitar on the end because he felt that it was so good that the stations would let it play out.

At 4:49 it is long compared to other Journey tunes at the time.

Cat


I thought that was Who's Crying Now? :?


Deb is correct. They wanted to cut the solo on WCN and Perry told them to fuck off.
User avatar
bluejeangirl76
MP3
 
Posts: 13346
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:36 am


Return to Journey

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 32 guests