Ok...

[StevePerryHair]

Do I didn't say they were only there to see Perry. They were there to see Journey.

Ah.
You have a moot point, then.

No, I was only originally trying to say that it IS MISLEADING if they were to use Perry clips to advertise a concert as to who they were going to hear. That and my statement above are not related. You're good at twisting it around though, I'll give you that.

[Deb]

Do I didn't say they were only there to see Perry. They were there to see Journey.

Ah.
You have a moot point, then.

No, I was only originally trying to say that it IS MISLEADING if they were to use Perry clips to advertise a concert as to who they were going to hear. That and my statement above are not related. You're good at twisting it around though, I'll give you that.

Don't even bother SPH, JoePa can argue till he's blue in the face......but he'll never convince me it's not misleading.

[Red13JoePa]

11 years after he sang his last note in Journey?

You loons must have rawhide for rotator cuffs reaching that far without needing arthroscopic surgery.

[StevePerryHair]

11 years after he sang his last note in Journey?

You loons must have rawhide for rotator cuffs reaching that far without needing arthroscopic surgery.

I'm not a loon.

[Deb]

11 years after he sang his last note in Journey?

You loons must have rawhide for rotator cuffs reaching that far without needing arthroscopic surgery.

Pulling out the loon card again are ya? So do tell JoePa, what are us Soto fans called? Better yet, what if you're a fan of both?

Good come back.

[Red13JoePa]

Pfff.
Some loons became "Died In The Wool True Blue Been There Since The Beginning" JSS fans when he came into Journey. He is a fan-savvy guy (besides being an all-around genuine good dude) who allowed you to think you had some sort of exlusive access to him and you liked his ass in jeans. And he didn't sound like perry. And he wasn't Augeri.

I still suspect people who fall into this boat couldn't whistle 2 notes of a JSS pre-Journey original track with a gun to their head.

[StevePerryHair]

Pfff.
Some loons became "Died In The Wool True Blue Been There Since The Beginning" JSS fans when he came into Journey. He is a fan-savvy guy (besides being an all-around genuine good dude) who allowed you to think you had some sort of exlusive access to him and you liked his ass in jeans. And he didn't sound like perry. And he wasn't Augeri.

I still suspect people who fall into this boat couldn't whistle 2 notes of a JSS pre-Journey original track with a gun to their head.

Yeah, it was all about the ass in jeans My statements I made above were just in response to what you said, nothing more nothing less. Nothing to do with the like, love or dislike of any singer.

[Deb]

Pfff.
Some loons became "Died In The Wool True Blue Been There Since The Beginning" JSS fans when he came into Journey. He is a fan-savvy guy (besides being an all-around genuine good dude) who allowed you to think you had some sort of exlusive access to him and you liked his ass in jeans. And he didn't sound like perry. And he wasn't Augeri.

If this was directed at me, I haven't been there since the beginning. Became a fan shortly before he joined Journey. You're right he doesn't sound like Perry. But he delivers vocals in much the same way Perry and Eric Martin do, so he ranks right up there for me. #1 requirement for me is powerful, passionate vocals. No arguments from me on him being fan friendly and having a fine ass.

I still suspect people who fall into this boat couldn't whistle 2 notes of a JSS pre-Journey original track with a gun to their head.

Definately don't fall into this boat then. I have all his solo stuff, Soul Sirkus and a good portion of Talisman. There is probably a lot more JSS pre-Journey tracks I could whistle than you.

[nikki]

Pfff.
Some loons became "Died In The Wool True Blue Been There Since The Beginning" JSS fans when he came into Journey. He is a fan-savvy guy (besides being an all-around genuine good dude) who allowed you to think you had some sort of exlusive access to him and you liked his ass in jeans. And he didn't sound like perry. And he wasn't Augeri.

I still suspect people who fall into this boat couldn't whistle 2 notes of a JSS pre-Journey original track with a gun to their head.

Not true! Been following Jeff's career since his days with Yngwie and have a nice little collection of his works....and I liked his ass in jeans long before he became a footnote in Journey history !!

[Indyjoe]

11 years after he sang his last note in Journey?

You loons must have rawhide for rotator cuffs reaching that far without needing arthroscopic surgery.

Pulling out the loon card again are ya? So do tell JoePa, what are us Soto fans called? Better yet, what if you're a fan of both?

Good come back.

LOYAL

Carry on

Wait... JoePa- How could someone be a JSS fan if they couldn't whistle a note of his pre Journey tunes?! That would make you a Journey fan only and not a JSS fan at all, wouldn't it?! I'm not following.

[Red13JoePa]

Wait... JoePa- How could someone be a JSS fan if they couldn't whistle a note of his pre Journey tunes?!

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

And I say that realizing full well how many actual present Journey fans embraced JSS.
But the loons for whom Journey refusing to quit just b/c Perry did and tried to make them do so too made them satan on earth?
I ain't buying it.

[Indyjoe]

Wait... JoePa- How could someone be a JSS fan if they couldn't whistle a note of his pre Journey tunes?!

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

And I say that realizing full well how many actual present Journey fans embraced JSS.
But the loons for whom Journey refusing to quit just b/c Perry did and tried to make them do so too made them satan on earth?
I ain't buying it.

I didn't mean to suggest that someone couldn't be a fan and then get to know his catalog of music. I just couldn't picture the fan you were describing not being interested in his music outside of what he had done with Journey - that just seemed more a Journey fan.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Deb]

Wait... JoePa- How could someone be a JSS fan if they couldn't whistle a note of his pre Journey tunes?!

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

Ah no, I think that would be more classified as stalking. That's not cool. I have only sent one pm to JSS almost a year ago with a question. He responded. The end. I would never be presumptious enough to think I had the right to just be pm'ing the guy.

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

Don't want to speak for any Perry-only Loons, but could they not have accepted that Journey once again had a frontman with powerful vocals and killer stage presence?

[mistiejourney]

and you liked his ass in jeans.

What's your point?

(Sorry JoePa, I just could not resist.... )

[mistiejourney]

Definately don't fall into this boat then. Laughing I have all his solo stuff, Soul Sirkus and a good portion of Talisman. There is probably a lot more JSS pre-Journey tracks I could whistle than you. Wink

I'm with Deb - got SS, all the solo stuff, all the Talisman stuff, Eyes releases, Kuni, Boogie Knights, Takara and an Yngwie Malmsteen on the desk. I can do more than hum them, I can actually sing them but it wouldn't be pretty!

[Matthew]

Damned right it was OK to do so with JSS and it would have been OK with Jeremey because they both wanted to respect the legacy by changing up the classics and lend a different sound to them rather than try to pass themselves off as Perry.

Sherrie - I normally agree with you on most things but I'm struggling to get the logic of this post. Why is Arnel less respectful of the legacy than Jeremey? And does he really sound more like Perry than Jeremey does in Frontiers?

The only real difference I can see is that a) you know and like Jeremey and b) the Frontiers band covers the Journey classics better than the Zoo does.

[conversationpc]

Damned right it was OK to do so with JSS and it would have been OK with Jeremey because they both wanted to respect the legacy by changing up the classics and lend a different sound to them rather than try to pass themselves off as Perry.

Sherrie - I normally agree with you on most things but I'm struggling to get the logic of this post. Why is Arnel less respectful of the legacy than Jeremey? And does he really sound more like Perry than Jeremey does in Frontiers?

The only real difference I can see is that a) you know and like Jeremey and b) the Frontiers band covers the Journey classics better than the Zoo does.

Yeah, I don't understand how changing up the classics is "respecting the legacy", either.

[Matthew]

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

That wasn't why I accepted JSS, Red...

Augeri could have been on here every night telling me how wonderful I was but I'd still think he was crap in Journey.

[Red13JoePa]

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

That wasn't why I accepted JSS, Red...

Augeri could have been on here every night telling me how wonderful I was but I'd still think he was crap in Journey.

I know, you weren't creaming jeans like a school girl because of his stage movements or how his gluts looked in jeans (and boy did Augeri fans take MEGA heat for talking about his pants and stage movements), you were on the fence, saw Journey WITH JSS in England, then were convinced that it was OK for you to buy in fully.

I bought in right away b/c I knew he was a kick ass rocknroll VOCALIST and knew Journey wouldn't go for some hack. Then I heard and saw the boots, I was TOTALLY sold.

Bottom line, I questioned the motivation of the female loons for acting like it was a Beatles concert in 1965.

[Deb]

I know, you weren't creaming jeans like a school girl because of his stage movements or how his gluts looked in jeans (and boy did Augeri fans take MEGA heat for talking about his pants and stage movements), you were on the fence, saw Journey WITH JSS in England, then were convinced that it was OK for you to buy in fully.

I bought in right away b/c I knew he was a kick ass rocknroll VOCALIST and knew Journey wouldn't go for some hack. Then I heard and saw the boots, I was TOTALLY sold.

Bottom line, I questioned the motivation of the female loons for acting like it was a Beatles concert in 1965.

Get over it JoePa, gals have always appreciated rockstars. That's what gals do, rockstars are like you guys' sports figures. And I actually can't even recall a post by any one commenting on Jeff's gluts, besides you? What I can't quite figure out is why female fans thinking JSS is hot, puts such a burr in your bonnett??

I haven't seen any fans screaming and crying like its a Beatles concert in 1965, have you actually been to any of his shows JoePa?

[donnaplease]

Do I didn't say they were only there to see Perry. They were there to see Journey.

Ah.
You have a moot point, then.

No, I was only originally trying to say that it IS MISLEADING if they were to use Perry clips to advertise a concert as to who they were going to hear. That and my statement above are not related. You're good at twisting it around though, I'll give you that.

Sorry, I guess I opened this can of worms. I agree that it is misleading to advertise a concert with one singer knowing full well that another singer will be performing. Is it legal? If you guys say so then I guess it is. Is it right? I don't believe so.

[journeywoman]

Donna,Journey did the same thing here with advertising Steve Perry's voice when they came here.Although it was Mr. Augeri then.

[Moon Beam]

Here's how: when one's flattered that he responded to one's post on the board, or better still, was classy enough to respond to the 4,000 pms one sent him. And then when one begins to realize, "hm, know what? He's not bad-looking either.And what a cool dude, and it seems like I have access to him."

THAT is how a died-in-Perry-Only Loons who renounced Journey in June, 1998 suddenly accpeted Journey with another singer besides Perry.

That wasn't why I accepted JSS, Red...

Augeri could have been on here every night telling me how wonderful I was but I'd still think he was crap in Journey.

I know, you weren't creaming jeans like a school girl because of his stage movements or how his gluts looked in jeans (and boy did Augeri fans take MEGA heat for talking about his pants and stage movements), you were on the fence, saw Journey WITH JSS in England, then were convinced that it was OK for you to buy in fully.

Maybe JoePa but what if Sir Soto had sported a hairdresser smock?
Would Matthew have jumped on board sooner.
Just poking fun at the memories round here is all Fella's.

[Red13JoePa]

What I can't quite figure out is why female fans thinking JSS is hot, puts such a burr in your bonnett??

I haven't seen any fans screaming and crying like its a Beatles concert in 1965, have you actually been to any of his shows JoePa?

I'm one of his biggest supporters of him being the singer in Journey. I still think he should be there. I did Soul SirkUs in Philly on the World Play tour, but didn't see him w/ Jrny as I bagged the AC trip w/ NealIsGod, Deano and AR. But I have a bunch of boots including the Baltimore dvd and I was sold in fact I'd submit that if it were given the professional mastering and multi-camera treatment, I'd like the Balti boot (which Jeff told ME wasn't even one of his great nights) better than 2001 and equally w/ Houston. I dug him as the right frontman for the job. But even Deano, who's word carries way more weight than me around here thinks the gushing and hyperbolizing mostly from the females actually DETRACTED from the poor guy's actual real, solid, professional credibility in that job.
Now here comes your tried and true, "You're just jealous, he's too manly for you" retort but for chrissakes, I'd WAY rather get down to the nuts and bolts of what a good Journey vocalist he was and how terrific he sounded nailing this note in Lights, or tweaking that note in Chain Reaction, or how he knew exactly how to trade off with Deen or Cain or complement Neal's playing with certain aspects of his singing but people never could do that here for all the fawning of "OOOOOoooooooo he runs around and jumps around like a ball of testosterone....OOOoooooooooo he looked SO hot in those.......OOOOOOooooooooooo his hair is so HOT!........OOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo he sweated on me.... and oooooooooooo I'll Swallow that load " ...you know the same asshat crap we tortured backtalk about w/ Augeri.

[StevePerryHair]

What I can't quite figure out is why female fans thinking JSS is hot, puts such a burr in your bonnett??

I haven't seen any fans screaming and crying like its a Beatles concert in 1965, have you actually been to any of his shows JoePa?

I'm one of his biggest supporters of him being the singer in Journey. I still think he should be there. I did Soul SirkUs in Philly on the World Play tour, but didn't see him w/ Jrny as I bagged the AC trip w/ NealIsGod, Deano and AR. But I have a bunch of boots including the Baltimore dvd and I was sold in fact I'd submit that if it were given the professional mastering and multi-camera treatment, I'd like the Balti boot (which Jeff told ME wasn't even one of his great nights) better than 2001 and equally w/ Houston. I dug him as the right frontman for the job. But even Deano, who's word carries way more weight than me around here thinks the gushing and hyperbolizing mostly from the females actually DETRACTED from the poor guy's actual real, solid, professional credibility in that job.
Now here comes your tried and true, "You're just jealous, he's too manly for you" retort but for chrissakes, I'd WAY rather get down to the nuts and bolts of what a good Journey vocalist he was and how terrific he sounded nailing this note in Lights, or tweaking that note in Chain Reaction, or how he knew exactly how to trade off with Deen or Cain or complement Neal's playing with certain aspects of his singing but people never could do that here for all the fawning of "OOOOOoooooooo he runs around and jumps around like a ball of testosterone....OOOoooooooooo he looked SO hot in those.......OOOOOOooooooooooo his hair is so HOT!........OOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo he sweated on me.... and oooooooooooo I'll Swallow that load " ...you know the same asshat crap we tortured backtalk about w/ Augeri.

I have never gushed over Jeff in any way on this board or anywhere else. Why can't I like his talent just like some of the men around here? Earlier you lumped me like all of us females can only be a fan of Jeff's for one reason. Give me a break. Whether a woman is like me or a woman wants to post that they like how he looks though, that does not invalidate any talent they may also feel that he has. The talent comes first for all of us or what would be the purpose to purchase the cd's??? You can't see him on a cd?? hmm.

[Indyjoe]

JoePa -

WOW! I don't think I've seen a post quite like that from Jeff's fans!

I wish I was a better concert reviewer than I am. I can't say his vocals on this song verses that song were such and such like you mentioned... But I will say I wish you could have seen the Hollywood Bowl show!! I wish everyone could have. That show was incredible. He was on fire that night!!! And in the pouring rain no less!!! Chula Vista was great as well.

I only got to see Soul SirkUS in part after the Journey show at Loffler's when Neal, Marco and Jeff played for a short time. And it was great!

His talent is a force to be reckoned with and I wish him all the best!!

~Wendy

[donnaplease]

What I can't quite figure out is why female fans thinking JSS is hot, puts such a burr in your bonnett??

I haven't seen any fans screaming and crying like its a Beatles concert in 1965, have you actually been to any of his shows JoePa?

I'm one of his biggest supporters of him being the singer in Journey. I still think he should be there. I did Soul SirkUs in Philly on the World Play tour, but didn't see him w/ Jrny as I bagged the AC trip w/ NealIsGod, Deano and AR. But I have a bunch of boots including the Baltimore dvd and I was sold in fact I'd submit that if it were given the professional mastering and multi-camera treatment, I'd like the Balti boot (which Jeff told ME wasn't even one of his great nights) better than 2001 and equally w/ Houston. I dug him as the right frontman for the job. But even Deano, who's word carries way more weight than me around here thinks the gushing and hyperbolizing mostly from the females actually DETRACTED from the poor guy's actual real, solid, professional credibility in that job.
Now here comes your tried and true, "You're just jealous, he's too manly for you" retort but for chrissakes, I'd WAY rather get down to the nuts and bolts of what a good Journey vocalist he was and how terrific he sounded nailing this note in Lights, or tweaking that note in Chain Reaction, or how he knew exactly how to trade off with Deen or Cain or complement Neal's playing with certain aspects of his singing but people never could do that here for all the fawning of "OOOOOoooooooo he runs around and jumps around like a ball of testosterone....OOOoooooooooo he looked SO hot in those.......OOOOOOooooooooooo his hair is so HOT!........OOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo he sweated on me.... and oooooooooooo I'll Swallow that load " ...you know the same asshat crap we tortured backtalk about w/ Augeri.

I have never gushed over Jeff in any way on this board or anywhere else. Why can't I like his talent just like some of the men around here? Earlier you lumped me like all of us females can only be a fan of Jeff's for one reason. Give me a break. Whether a woman is like me or a woman wants to post that they like how he looks though, that does not invalidate any talent they may also feel that he has. The talent comes first for all of us or what would be the purpose to purchase the cd's??? You can't see him on a cd?? hmm.

I think he's the total package... Damn great performer and looks good doing it! It could be argued that his looks and how he jumps around like a ball of testosterone (too funny, BTW ) are what contributes to his stage presence, which is what won over a LOT of people, male and female. Men don't like a guy that stands up there looking like a pussy, do they? I would think you want your lead singer to be macho. IDK, maybe I'm wrong.

I've made a few comments here & there about Jeff's looks and/or performance, and I've definitely drooled over SP, but it's more than that. Much more. Both those guys had the total package. It just so happened that SP's hung to the left and JSS' hung free, "commando" style... j/k

[Deb]

What I can't quite figure out is why female fans thinking JSS is hot, puts such a burr in your bonnett??

I haven't seen any fans screaming and crying like its a Beatles concert in 1965, have you actually been to any of his shows JoePa?

I'm one of his biggest supporters of him being the singer in Journey. I still think he should be there. I did Soul SirkUs in Philly on the World Play tour, but didn't see him w/ Jrny as I bagged the AC trip w/ NealIsGod, Deano and AR. But I have a bunch of boots including the Baltimore dvd and I was sold in fact I'd submit that if it were given the professional mastering and multi-camera treatment, I'd like the Balti boot (which Jeff told ME wasn't even one of his great nights) better than 2001 and equally w/ Houston. I dug him as the right frontman for the job. But even Deano, who's word carries way more weight than me around here thinks the gushing and hyperbolizing mostly from the females actually DETRACTED from the poor guy's actual real, solid, professional credibility in that job.
Now here comes your tried and true, "You're just jealous, he's too manly for you" retort but for chrissakes, I'd WAY rather get down to the nuts and bolts of what a good Journey vocalist he was and how terrific he sounded nailing this note in Lights, or tweaking that note in Chain Reaction, or how he knew exactly how to trade off with Deen or Cain or complement Neal's playing with certain aspects of his singing but people never could do that here for all the fawning of "OOOOOoooooooo he runs around and jumps around like a ball of testosterone....OOOoooooooooo he looked SO hot in those.......OOOOOOooooooooooo his hair is so HOT!........OOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo he sweated on me.... and oooooooooooo I'll Swallow that load " ...you know the same asshat crap we tortured backtalk about w/ Augeri.

I have never gushed over Jeff in any way on this board or anywhere else. Why can't I like his talent just like some of the men around here? Earlier you lumped me like all of us females can only be a fan of Jeff's for one reason. Give me a break. Whether a woman is like me or a woman wants to post that they like how he looks though, that does not invalidate any talent they may also feel that he has. The talent comes first for all of us or what would be the purpose to purchase the cd's??? You can't see him on a cd?? hmm.

Exactly! The talent is first and foremost otherwise we'd all be on Backstreet Boy forums. I do agree there's a line that some do cross with certain comments and it can be embarassing......just as some of the womanizing comments some guys make here can be embarassing to other guys also.

I'm sorry but if seeing a few women fawn over a singer can detract that singers credibility or talent so easily for ya then who is really the one with the problem?

[nikki]

Jeff has alot of confidence and great presence on stage and THAT is sexy and it is also why male fans like him as well. Of course, I've always thought he was incredibly good-looking, but aside from that he's an amazing performer and an extremely creative artist. I don't think his looks have hurt his credibility as an artist in the least.

[scarygirl]

I started to come over here and say that I listened to Arnel and found him to be more than not half bad. Still feel that way, however, after comparing his covers of well known songs to the originals, namely Boston's More Than Feeling, I have to take that back. The kid is good, sometimes even better than good; but listening to Brad Delp as recently as 11/06 and two years before that, there's no logical comparison. He was pure magic. Arnel? Not so much. Same goes for his Steve Perry led Journey covers.

There's a certain depth that's lacking in all who have come since those guys. It was more than the high notes; it was interpretation. Approxiametly 80 percent of a song's relevance to the audience comes from the gut. If you don't have the life experience to back up the song's sentiment the audience won't relate, and if they don't relate, your song has about as much meaning as a Spice Girl's Greatest Hits Album.

I understand there wanting to move on, but if they think they're going to get Steve Perry levels, they're wrong. It isn't the notes, it's whose singing them and their depth of life course.

K, I was just corrected. Apparently he is 40. He looks damn young to me. I'm 34 and thought he was in his 20's.