ARRIVAL or TRIAL BY FIRE

[annie89509]

Is this topic back on? I'm with Rick, the older one gets, the more one appreciates this record, I think. Today, I just happened to put this cd on rotation, listened to it all day long, and it just made me warm and fuzzy inside. Maybe it's a cold weather record.

ESCAPE is their singular masterpiece, no doubt, recorded in their prime. TBF shows their mature side, still plenty of uptempo songs for the Journey fan, though. I don't get the snoozefest comments. The only really slow songs, imo, (which might be classified as SP solo ala FTLOSM) are Don't Be Down on Me Baby, When I Think of You and It's Just the Rain. The rest sounds Journey to me--uptempo, midtempo, and power ballads. Neal's guitar shredding and Smitty's drum fills are everywhere. And Jon's piano contributions and Ross' bass lines add to the whole package.

Of course, SP's vocals have to be the centerpiece. I think that's what bothers a lot of people about this record. That, and no Lay It Down or Keep on Runnin', but I don't hear those type of songs on Arrival, either. Oops, maybe I ought to listen to that record again, to be sure, lol. What's the most rocking song on Arrival?

Good post. TBF is a better record than I ever gave it credit for. I also agree that Escape was their best effort ever. But my all time favorite Journey era was when Rolie was with the band. They really rocked then.

Most rocking song on Arrival? Higher Place or World Gone Wild. You choose.

Rick, I am familiar with Higher Place. I like it, but to me, it's on the same level (tempo-wise) as MOL. So how is Arrival "more rocking" than TBF? Never heard WGW, since the song is not on my boot copy of Arrival. I understand it's a song added later on by Neal.

I have always liked Gregg's voice--so soft and smooth. Loved all the duets with SP, but you have to admit those records (and songs) from Infinity-Departure are pretty dated now. Maybe it was a new decade, new song direction, and JonC did bring a lot to the table with his songwriting talents.

[Red13JoePa]

TBF shows their mature side, still plenty of uptempo songs for the Journey fan, though. I don't get the snoozefest comments. The only really slow songs, imo, (which might be classified as SP solo ala FTLOSM) are Don't Be Down on Me Baby, When I Think of You and It's Just the Rain. The rest sounds Journey to me--uptempo, midtempo, and power ballads.

A ballad's a ballad's a ballad, be it a power ballad or a ballad.

Hence, there are too many of them, at least on the "I Can See It In Your Eyes"less version of TBF for that album to rock more than Arrival. Japanese Arrival, with INTW and sans WGW and NCC is almost as sleepy as TBF.

[StoneCold]

Most rockin song on Arrival?

Imo, defintely To Be Alive Again.

Like AWYWI this jammer kicks in with a punch that can blow your drums if your volumes on 11.

That's why its an one of my top ten Journey faves.

Most Journeyish song on there. Had they got that on radio, it could've hooked the public.

Blows ATW outta and HP outta the water.

[SteveForever]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day, its fantastic! I love it.
Augeri sounds and looks awesome, can't believe I didn't have it sooner.
Higher Place is the best on there.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day, its fantastic! I love it.
Augeri sounds and looks awesome, can't believe I didn't have it sooner.
Higher Place is the best on there.

HIs voice was edited for the dvd release however.

[Rockindeano]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day, its fantastic! I love it.
Augeri sounds and looks awesome, can't believe I didn't have it sooner.
Higher Place is the best on there.

HIs voice was edited for the dvd release however.

Edited? Is that what we are calling it nowadays? Ok.

[SteveForever]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day, its fantastic! I love it.
Augeri sounds and looks awesome, can't believe I didn't have it sooner.
Higher Place is the best on there.

HIs voice was edited for the dvd release however.

Okay, but it still sounds good and its entertaining.
Although the party I was with on vacation made total fun of it..

[Deb]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day, its fantastic! I love it.
Augeri sounds and looks awesome, can't believe I didn't have it sooner.
Higher Place is the best on there.

I agree with your post. Probably the first time I really noticed the drummer in a band too. Just fell for Deen C's charismatic zest while he drums. He's just a smiling away, bopping his head back and forth, having a grand old time back there. Loves what he does and it shows. I love that in a musician. Probably why I fell for JSS too, love it when they just can loose themselves in the music and just let the natural groove flow.

[Red13JoePa]

[SteveForever]

:lol:

we want a picture!!!
naked is best, but if you don't have that send any old thing...

I'm just kidding JoePa...*** Happy New Year!!!

[Red13JoePa]

I'm bald, old, and fat.

And YOU two STILL can't talk about music only the looks of the musicians


Signed BenPa.

[Deb]

I'm bald, old, and fat.

And YOU two STILL can't talk about music only the looks of the musicians


Signed BenPa.

Who was talking about their looks, I was talking about their personalities in my post......read again.

Signed DebMa.

[StoneCold]

I found the Arrival dvd at a discount bookstore the other day.

Didn't ya hear? That's where all the new Journey release are available. Goodwill, Salvation Army and Discount Bookstores!

[mikemarrs]

sounds like i figured it would coming after raised on radio.really didn't like any of the rockers except maybe message of love.when you love a woman of course is the best track on the whole album.still she cries is pretty good and reminds me of foolish heart in a way.i really like the guitar work neal does on can't tame the lion a lot.when i think of you is a pretty good ballad.its just the rain and trial by fire almost cured my insomnia problem,just kidding.this is definitely an ok album but i'm still partial to the older releases but i guess thats because i'm used to the other stuff.this definitely sounds like a natural progression coming after raised on radio.both sound like what a more modern journey would sound like but i'm more into the classic sound i guess.i think they sort of lost their way after frontiers.there are some very good songs on both raised on radio and trial by fire but as overall albums from beginning to end they just aren't as good as the earlier efforts in my opnion.i'd give trial by fire three stars out of five.

[mikemarrs]

went back and listen to its just the rain again.i think thats a pretty good one also.really like the laid back vibe to it.

[Vladan]

Trial By Fire is better, it's not even a question.

1 good reason. And the only reason you need is... "The line up" on the Trial By Fire Album, is the most successful one to date, and obviously better chemistry.

[Red13JoePa]

Trial By Fire is better, it's not even a question.

. "The line up" on the Trial By Fire Album, is the most successful one to date, and obviously better chemistry.

Trial By Fire is about the last album I'd reach for when setting out to prove the classic lineup's chemistry.

[NealIsGod]

Trial By Fire is better, it's not even a question.

. "The line up" on the Trial By Fire Album, is the most successful one to date, and obviously better chemistry.

Trial By Fire is about the last album I'd reach for when setting out to prove the classic lineup's chemistry.

Yeah, they peaked with E5C4P3, but strong arguments can be made for Frontiers, esp. when you include OTY and ATL.

[Moon Beam]

I'm bald, old, and fat.

Bull heaps, your as yellow as they come.
I don't believe all the reasons you've given in the past.
Time to photo-up JoePa.

[Red13JoePa]

Way too much work, besides I have to keep the possible Suzie or potential "Mole" mystique to those who haven't met me.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Way too much work, besides I have to keep the possible Suzie or potential "Mole" mystique to those who haven't met me.

you can have some of mine!!

[Moon Beam]

Ok, good enough for the moment JoePa.

[jrnyman28]

Trial By Fire is better, it's not even a question.

. "The line up" on the Trial By Fire Album, is the most successful one to date, and obviously better chemistry.

Trial By Fire is about the last album I'd reach for when setting out to prove the classic lineup's chemistry.

Yeah, they peaked with E5C4P3, but strong arguments can be made for Frontiers, esp. when you include OTY and ATL.

When I listened to TBF I didn't hear "Journey"...I heard Neal and his jazz instrumental influence, I heard Smitty doing his thing, I heard Perry's solo influence, I heard Jon's piano influence. It sounded like "the five guys of Journey doing their own thing together".

[Red13JoePa]

That's it, Daveo, you've hit it right on the screws.

Perry's You Better Wait is a better Journey song, has more Journey musical tension than damn near anything on TBF for some reason.