So, No Thoughts on New Hampshire?

[7 Wishes]

I love these Cons and their endless Clinton slandering.

Bill TRIPLED spending on anti-terrorism, put into effect unprecedented and highly aggressive legislation, and proposed a hell of a lot more. The Repubs, and their never-ending "less is more" approach to government, voted down the bulk of Clinton's radical proposals. He told Cunnilingus Rice and Bush that Bin Laden would be their #1 foreign policy issue.

So the GOP blames the "Spendocrats" for everything. Here's something to think about: Reagan actually proposed $155 billion MORE in spending in his 8 years than was actually approved by the "Liberal" House and Senate. Even if you factor in increases in spending on defense (and Reagan had NOTHING to do with the Wall coming down...just ask Laura if you want clarification, or I can supply you with endless links and book lists to 100% prove that fact), the Gipper still, proportionately and in absolute and real dollars, proposed MORE spending than the Democrats approved.

Of course, the "trickle-down" effect nearly ruined us in the early 90's. True, Clinton's watch was benefitted by the dotcom boon, but in relative dollars, he still would have left the office with a budget surplus even if you factor out the dotcom effect. So Dubbya comes in, bankrupts the country...yeah, great. And he's really trying to "make peace" in the Middle East when it was his anti-Palestinian policies that caused the dissolution of Clinton's brilliantly crafted accord. Now he's going to Israel to celebrate that nation's 60th anniversary - that date is the Arabic world's 9/11, as they consider it the most tragic day in modern history. Way to mend fences, W, you asshole.

So now REAL wages are down 14% since Clinton left office. Gas is THREE TIMES more expensive. Families in the north are going bankrupt partially thanks to that, but also thanks to the prime rate disaster, which was caused by a relaxation of regulations Clinton put in place to head off such disasters. Yeah, de-regulation...the Republican legacy. It applies to everything that DOESN"T affect campaign contributions...like Detroit and Big Oil (hence the FDA's decree that California's aggressive and radical emissions standards are too stringent and would create "chaos"...yeah right). Yeah, let's de-Federalize and de-regulate EVERYTHING that might cost us votes, whether or not it's good for the people).

Oh, but wait! Bush has swelled the Federal employee roll by 93% in seven years. Even if you take away ALL the Departments created for anti-terrorism, that number is still 55%. I'm confused.

[7 Wishes]

One of three things will happen to this thread:

A. It will die;
B. It will get overwhelmed with gibberish, faulty logic, or "facts" that are actually "not factual" (something the Cons have excelled at thanks to Fat Ass Limbaugh);
C. It will revert to name-calling and slandering without actually addressing or countering the assertions.

[sadie65]

One of three things will happen to this thread:

A. It will die;
B. It will get overwhelmed with gibberish, faulty logic, or "facts" that are actually "not factual" (something the Cons have excelled at thanks to Fat Ass Limbaugh);
C. It will revert to name-calling and slandering without actually addressing or countering the assertions.

What do you mean "will happen" I'd say it's already happened.

[Enigma869]

One of three things will happen to this thread:

A. It will die;
B. It will get overwhelmed with gibberish, faulty logic, or "facts" that are actually "not factual" (something the Cons have excelled at thanks to Fat Ass Limbaugh);
C. It will revert to name-calling and slandering without actually addressing or countering the assertions.

I say this thread will get everyone talking about what a great state New Hampshire is How can ANY American EVER find fault with a state whose slogan is "Live Free or Die"! That should be the slogan of EVERY state! Somewhere between "Famous Potatoes" and "Live Free or Die", the truth lies. Unfortunately, I think it's a bit closer to "Famous Potatoes". That brings up another point for Nat...Nat, get a petition started in that damn state of yours and tell Idaho that they need to get that dopey slogan off of their license plates! That's just plain embarrassing, if that's the best they could come up with!


John from Boston

[Rockindeano]

John, Idaho is actually the "Gem" state.

Gem= Gas, Eats and Motels.

[Natalie]

Actually, there are a few different styles of licence plates in Idaho and only one (most common) has the "Famous Potatoes" slogan. Despite the license plates, there are some really cool people in Idaho! The freaks live in the panhandle though.

[conversationpc]

One of three things will happen to this thread:

A. It will die;
B. It will get overwhelmed with gibberish, faulty logic, or "facts" that are actually "not factual" (something the Cons have excelled at thanks to Fat Ass Limbaugh);
C. It will revert to name-calling and slandering without actually addressing or countering the assertions.

You've already engaged in two out of the three. Perhaps the other is in order now?

[strangegrey]

Of course, the "trickle-down" effect nearly ruined us in the early 90's. True, Clinton's watch was benefitted by the dotcom boon, but in relative dollars, he still would have left the office with a budget surplus even if you factor out the dotcom effect. So Dubbya comes in, bankrupts the country...yeah, great. And he's really trying to "make peace" in the Middle East when it was his anti-Palestinian policies that caused the dissolution of Clinton's brilliantly crafted accord. Now he's going to Israel to celebrate that nation's 60th anniversary - that date is the Arabic world's 9/11, as they consider it the most tragic day in modern history. Way to mend fences, W, you asshole.

7W,
I'm not going to challenge too much of this, as I agree with alot of it. However, how exactly do you factor out the dot come effect? And to add, what makes you qualified to actually assert such a thing. I'm not challenging the rest of this paragraph, as I agree with a good bit of it...however, it would make your argument alot more solid if you didn't try to support it with such a rediculous assertion. It's not as easy as simply removing internet startups from the GDP...The internet effect, as you say, had a profound effect on how business decissions were made in the late 90s. No economist will ever be able to quantify such a thing.

So now REAL wages are down 14% since Clinton left office. Gas is THREE TIMES more expensive. Families in the north are going bankrupt partially thanks to that, but also thanks to the prime rate disaster, which was caused by a relaxation of regulations Clinton put in place to head off such disasters. Yeah, de-regulation...the Republican legacy. It applies to everything that DOESN"T affect campaign contributions...like Detroit and Big Oil (hence the FDA's decree that California's aggressive and radical emissions standards are too stringent and would create "chaos"...yeah right). Yeah, let's de-Federalize and de-regulate EVERYTHING that might cost us votes, whether or not it's good for the people).

de-regulation is certain a contributor here in some ways, but let's not make it everything. There's alot of other things at play here. Tax cuts in the *wrong* places, government spending in the wrong places, dreadfully irresponsible games played with interest rates, etc. Deregulation in some senarios is a good thing. You make it sound like the worst possible thing a politician can do...and I think you're wrong. Some things, the government should not stick its hands in. Some things should not be left to private citizens. There's a happy balance here...turning a democracy into socialist society is not the answer to counter the problems Jorge left us with. Let's be a little more realistic. You'd make a better argument in the process.