Survivor vs. Bryan Adams

[ProgRocker53]

Anybody who can't see that Bruce Springsteen is a great artist, a musical icon, brilliant songwriter, and dynamic performer... as well as a top 10 rock act of all time...

....well, I've got a choad with your name on it.

[Journey/Survivor]

Now, Bryan Adams is pretty good.

But can someone please explain to me what is supposed to be so good about Bruce Springsteen???

IMO he's an average singer at best.
The music is very basic and nothing to get excited about.

Again, I will not dispute that he's been hugely successful in his career, that's obvious.
But I could never understand the appeal to him or his music.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Now, Bryan Adams is pretty good.

But can someone please explain to me what is supposed to be so good about Bruce Springsteen???

IMO he's an average singer at best.
The music is very basic and nothing to get excited about.

Again, I will not dispute that he's been hugely successful in his career, that's obvious.
But I could never understand the appeal to him or his music.

To me the appeal is this - he is a brilliant lyricist, evocative, can be critical of himself, his government, humanity in general - but in a very eloquent way. He also wrote some great "fun" rock n roll which only sounds simple - that is a clever trick to pull time and time again. The line about wanting to "change my hair my clothes my face" - in Dancing in the Dark - i know what he means there.
Plus, crucially, to me he is a great blue collar hero and he is "one of us".
He is the Bob Dylan of the last 30 odd years.
If nothing else - go listen to Hungry Heart and tell me thats not a great feel good song......when that comes on in my local bar - people actually smile at each other - is that not just about the best it can be?

[Journey/Survivor]

Bruce Suckstein on the other hand...

You have got to be joking. He is the God of Music. There is NO ONE bigger. Not the Stones, not U2, Not Zeppelin. Come on dude.

Define bigger? I'm no great Zeppelin fan but they have sold more albums than THE BOSS, although i would personally prefer to see Bruce in concert...............

I agree with you there Gordon.

The Stones and Zeppelin are at least a little bit bigger in name than Springsteen. I hate the Stones to be honest, but I'd much rather see/listen-to Zeppelin than Bruce Springroll.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Bruce Suckstein on the other hand...

You have got to be joking. He is the God of Music. There is NO ONE bigger. Not the Stones, not U2, Not Zeppelin. Come on dude.

Define bigger? I'm no great Zeppelin fan but they have sold more albums than THE BOSS, although i would personally prefer to see Bruce in concert...............

I agree with you there Gordon.

The Stones and Zeppelin are at least a little bit bigger in name than Springsteen. I hate the Stones to be honest, but I'd much rather see/listen-to Zeppelin than Bruce Springroll.

I can't be arsed with the stones either mate - over rated crap to me.....

[sadie65]

As a song writer I think Springsteen excels. As a singer...he does nothing for me. I'm sure he is a solid entertainer, but for me, overall, he's just okay. Isn't that what's great about choice and diversity?

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

As a song writer I think Springsteen excels. As a singer...he does nothing for me. I'm sure he is a solid entertainer, but for me, overall, he's just okay. Isn't that what's great about choice and diversity?

Absolutely! It would be dull if we all liked the same stuff - and Deano would be screwed for an argument!........

[Journey/Survivor]

Plus, crucially, to me he is a great blue collar hero and he is "one of us".

I've often viewed him as much the opposite.

The guy has money out his ass, and yet he tries to prosecute anyone who dares sell a bootleg concert of one of his shows.

I'm anything but a Metallica fan. But at least they say go right ahead and record our live shows, you payed all this money for tickets, you deserve to have the show on tape.

Back in the early 90's my brother and I used to sell stuff at record conventions, and we were at one of the biggest conventions in the country that was held in Philadelphia. Bruce's then drummer Max Weinberg was a special guest at the convention, so all of us dealers had to hide any bootlegs that we had of Springsteen.

If I was a big name musician I would let anyone record my shows that wanted to, and that's how I think it should be.

[ProgRocker53]

Now, Bryan Adams is pretty good.

But can someone please explain to me what is supposed to be so good about Bruce Springsteen???

IMO he's an average singer at best.
The music is very basic and nothing to get excited about.

Again, I will not dispute that he's been hugely successful in his career, that's obvious.
But I could never understand the appeal to him or his music.

To me the appeal is this - he is a brilliant lyricist, evocative, can be critical of himself, his government, humanity in general - but in a very eloquent way. He also wrote some great "fun" rock n roll which only sounds simple - that is a clever trick to pull time and time again. The line about wanting to "change my hair my clothes my face" - in Dancing in the Dark - i know what he means there.
Plus, crucially, to me he is a great blue collar hero and he is "one of us".
He is the Bob Dylan of the last 30 odd years.
If nothing else - go listen to Hungry Heart and tell me thats not a great feel good song......when that comes on in my local bar - people actually smile at each other - is that not just about the best it can be?

Bruce is a mastermind. He has those soulful ballads, the fun rockers, the story-telling epics... The instrumentation and his vocal style all combine to make a soundscape that just screams working-class America. He's done all-acoustic, he's used synthesizers, he's used horns, he's done multi-guitar attacks.... and have managed to make it all sound great, cohesive, and simply... Bruce.

You don't need vocal pyrotechnics for Bruce's music, you just need passion. And by god, Bruce has it.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Plus, crucially, to me he is a great blue collar hero and he is "one of us".

I've often viewed him as much the opposite.

The guy has money out his ass, and yet he tries to prosecute anyone who dares sell a bootleg concert of one of his shows.

I'm anything but a Metallica fan. But at least they say go right ahead and record our live shows, you payed all this money for tickets, you deserve to have the show on tape.

Back in the early 90's my brother and I used to sell stuff at record conventions, and we were at one of the biggest conventions in the country that was held in Philadelphia. Bruce's then drummer Max Weinberg was a special gues at the convention, so all of us dealers had to hide any bootlegs that we had of Springsteen.

If I was a big name musician I would let anyone record my shows that wanted to, and that's how I think it should be.

Yes but a lot of people make money from really shit boots that can show the artist unfairly in a bad light. His charity work and (very) private donations speak volumes for the man in other ways. When he couldnt play at the London leg of live aid - he left gear behind that would be handy for the gig - the gear was worth quarter of a million dollars alone - and it meant he had to acquire new stuff - i'm talking about rigging, and back-line equipment and even temporary caravans for the folks backstage - not a bad gesture.
Plus, speaking out about certain political scenarios can be bad for an artists career, he has never been afraid to voice opinion even when he knew it could cost him sales......

[Journey/Survivor]

As a song writer I think Springsteen excels. As a singer...he does nothing for me. I'm sure he is a solid entertainer, but for me, overall, he's just okay. Isn't that what's great about choice and diversity?

The line that you have at the bottom of your post about giving men time to answer a woman's first question, reminds me of a line from the very first episode of Married With children.

Al Bundy says to his neighbor Steve that your wife will look at you and ask you "What are you thinking," "And then you think to yourself, if I wanted you to know I'd be talking."

[sadie65]

As a song writer I think Springsteen excels. As a singer...he does nothing for me. I'm sure he is a solid entertainer, but for me, overall, he's just okay. Isn't that what's great about choice and diversity?

The line that you have at the bottom of your post about giving men time to answer a woman's first question, reminds me of a line from the very first episode of Married With children.

Al Bundy says to his neighbor Steve that your wife will look at you and ask you "What are you thinking," "And then you think to yourself, if I wanted you to know I'd be talking."

LOL...I guess it's time for me to change the line....especially if it brings Married With Children to mind.

[Journey/Survivor]

Plus, crucially, to me he is a great blue collar hero and he is "one of us".

I've often viewed him as much the opposite.

The guy has money out his ass, and yet he tries to prosecute anyone who dares sell a bootleg concert of one of his shows.

I'm anything but a Metallica fan. But at least they say go right ahead and record our live shows, you payed all this money for tickets, you deserve to have the show on tape.

Back in the early 90's my brother and I used to sell stuff at record conventions, and we were at one of the biggest conventions in the country that was held in Philadelphia. Bruce's then drummer Max Weinberg was a special gues at the convention, so all of us dealers had to hide any bootlegs that we had of Springsteen.

If I was a big name musician I would let anyone record my shows that wanted to, and that's how I think it should be.

Yes but a lot of people make money from really shit boots that can show the artist unfairly in a bad light. His charity work and (very) private donations speak volumes for the man in other ways. When he couldnt play at the London leg of live aid - he left gear behind that would be handy for the gig - the gear was worth quarter of a million dollars alone - and it meant he had to acquire new stuff - i'm talking about rigging, and back-line equipment and even temporary caravans for the folks backstage - not a bad gesture.
Plus, speaking out about certain political scenarios can be bad for an artists career, he has never been afraid to voice opinion even when he knew it could cost him sales......

Ok, that's cool about the charitable stuff. I didn't know about that.

I've heard him say before that he doesn't want the bootlegs out there because of the quality not being very good. But let's face it, the only people who are going to pay for a bootleg are the die-hard fans, and the die-hard fans certainly won't blame him for a bad sounding bootleg that he had nothing to do with in the first place.

Ironically, there is a music website that I used to post on that had a member who used to think that Bruce Springsteen was God's gift to music, but he thought that Steve Perry was the worst singer he'd ever heard in his life. Needless to say I got into some battles with that guy.

[Journey/Survivor]

As a song writer I think Springsteen excels. As a singer...he does nothing for me. I'm sure he is a solid entertainer, but for me, overall, he's just okay. Isn't that what's great about choice and diversity?

The line that you have at the bottom of your post about giving men time to answer a woman's first question, reminds me of a line from the very first episode of Married With children.

Al Bundy says to his neighbor Steve that your wife will look at you and ask you "What are you thinking," "And then you think to yourself, if I wanted you to know I'd be talking."

LOL...I guess it's time for me to change the line....especially if it brings Married With Children to mind.

No, that's a good thing.

Married With Children's my favorite sitcom of all time.

Al Bundy Rocks, and Kelly Bundy (Christina Applegate) is hot.

[7 Wishes]

Anybody who can't see that Bruce Springsteen is a great artist, a musical icon, brilliant songwriter, and dynamic performer... as well as a top 10 rock act of all time...

....well, I've got a choad with your name on it.

Damn straight. Bruce is the best songwriter of his generation. Hallejulah.

[Red13JoePa]

I have always said that Perry has the most amazing voice, and Jamison has the best voice.

I like the overall sound of his voice slightly better.

I agree with Journey/Survivor here.
Jamison is easily chopped down with the name-recognition (thanks, again, Frankie ) argument but Jamison in my opionion when both were at the top of their game was a solid notch above overall.

[conversationpc]

I have always said that Perry has the most amazing voice, and Jamison has the best voice.

I like the overall sound of his voice slightly better.

I agree with Journey/Survivor here.
Jamison is easily chopped down with the name-recognition (thanks, again, Frankie ) argument but Jamison in my opionion when both were at the top of their game was a solid notch above overall.

I'd put Perry ahead, overall, but Jamison is the better singer for rock, hard rock tunes.

[7 Wishes]

Agreed, Dave. JJ has the right stuff.

[Journey/Survivor]

I have always said that Perry has the most amazing voice, and Jamison has the best voice.

I like the overall sound of his voice slightly better.

I agree with Journey/Survivor here.
Jamison is easily chopped down with the name-recognition (thanks, again, Frankie ) argument but Jamison in my opionion when both were at the top of their game was a solid notch above overall.

I'd put Perry ahead, overall, but Jamison is the better singer for rock, hard rock tunes.

Jimi Jamison has done a lot of Hard Rock songs. He was in "Cobra" which was more-or-less a metal band. I think Jamo is better for Hard Rock than Perry, but I think that Perry did do really well on Rockers like "Edge Of the Blade" "Dead Or Alive" "Lay It Down." I just think that Perry rarely ever chose to do very much Hard Rock.

My dream band would have both Perry and Jamison on vocals. I'd have Perry do the higher range stuff, and have Jamison do the harder Rocking stuff and the blusier songs.

Back to the Hard Rock issue, Deep Purple wanted Jimi Jamison to be their lead singer back in the early 90's, which would have meant that he would have been doing their older stuff too.

[mikemarrs]

why didn't jamison take the deep purple gig?

[Journey/Survivor]

why didn't jamison take the deep purple gig?

Actually, he did take the job, but about 3 weeks later he decided to leave because he wanted to focus more on a solo career. That was around the time period that he did his first solo album and the Baywatch theme and stuff like that.

[stevew2]

I love Deep Purple,one of the best bands ever in the70s. They made playing organ cool just like Procal Harem.

[Journey/Survivor]

I love Deep Purple,one of the best bands ever in the70s. They made playing organ cool just like Procal Harem.

Yeah, Jon Lord is great. What do you think about Gregg Rolie's playing?

[piecesofeight]

This on going thread is starting to crack me up a bit. I have never considered Bryan Adams to be that great of a singer. Sort of funny that people who consider Steve Perry to be tops..would even consider Bryan Adams to be that great of a singer.

Same with Bruce..not that great of a singer..BUT it's his longevity, stage energy, touches the core and writes some amazing songs.

At one time..I thought Jimi Jamison was a really good singer. He could carry a tune really well at one point.

When Bryan Adams, Stine and Rod Stewart teamed up..even though I really like all of them as artist..I thought it was pretty funny since none of them are what I would consider to be that great of vocalist.

[IngoK]

why didn't jamison take the deep purple gig?

Actually, he did take the job, but about 3 weeks later he decided to leave because he wanted to focus more on a solo career. That was around the time period that he did his first solo album and the Baywatch theme and stuff like that.

Read in in Interview that he had to leave because his management caused some trouble those days and don't wanted him in Deep Purple.....

The chance of a lifetime was gone...

[Journey/Survivor]

why didn't jamison take the deep purple gig?

Actually, he did take the job, but about 3 weeks later he decided to leave because he wanted to focus more on a solo career. That was around the time period that he did his first solo album and the Baywatch theme and stuff like that.

Read in in Interview that he had to leave because his management caused some trouble those days and don't wanted him in Deep Purple.....

The chance of a lifetime was gone...

His manager suggested that he focus more on his solo career and that the Deep Purple thing would get in the way.

They wound up going with Joe Lynn Turner on the Slaves And Masters album, but after about a year they kicked Turner out and brought back Ian Gillan. Either way I think that Jamison's time in Deep Purple would have been short?