scarygirl wrote:ohsherrie wrote:Arkansas wrote:Are all 'rich' people Republicans? Don't Dems have money too?
I'll readily argue that most, if not all, of the wealthy are indeed fiscal conservatives. People that have wealth and lose it are irresponsible morons. Maintaining and growing wealth is a very difficult discipline that requires conservative financial thinking.
But again I ask, why do people assume that being 'rich' is a Republican problem?
I'd like to hear what the wealthy Democrats have to say. And perhaps more importantly, I'd like to hear what the socio-political whiners have to say about all the wealthy Democrats. Hhm?
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What exactly is a socio-political whiner?
Is that someone who thinks that if trillions of dollars are being spent by this government, at least some of it could be much better spent assuring that economic conditions are such that equitable employment opportunities exist for the 3 million citizens who had living wage jobs, retirement funds, and health care benefits before their companies were paid out of those trillions to move their jobs out of this country?
I guess that makes me one then. I'm not asking for handouts and neither are they. I'm asking for a government that is truly of, by, and for ALL the people. I thought everybody else had the right to that. It appears though that that particular right is allocated according to how much money one earns to pay taxes on.
I don't know of many people who wouldn't rather live on what's left after paying 30% in taxes on $100,000 than 15% on $30,000 and in most of the situations that currently exist due to plant closings, it's not how hard or how many hours they worked that made the difference.
Those $30,000 jobs are all that are left to millions of people who've lost their jobs so corporate officers can make millions, and our government facilitated that.
If trying make people realize the reality of that makes me a socio-political whiner, then I'll wear it like a badge of honor.
Oh and I don't give a damn what the party affiliations are for those people who lost their jobs or those CEOs who benefitted from it. This was done by the Bush administration and he's republican.
It also happens to be most of the conservatives on here(whether republican or not) who seem to think those people are responsible for their own hardships, and this government shouldn't be held responsible for any part of it. These people should work three minimum wage jobs, sell their homes, buy a trailer, sell their cars, buy a clunker, buy their clothes at Goodwill, eat spam and dried beans and then hopefully they can afford to pay for private health insurance. Afterall, that's all they deserve for losing their jobs in areas of the country where there aren't any others.
For some reason they seem to think that they would have to pay more in taxes if the government spent their tax dollars in a different way rather than paying it to companies to move American jobs to China and Mexico and at the same time eliminating taxes that were be paid on higher earnings by the middle class here.
Osherrie. I pay 9 percent on a 30k a year income not the 15 percent you speak of. Yes, 30 k a year can suck. Trust me I know all about it, but that's why I have yet to start a family and do all the other things I would some day like to do. Not saying it's not going to happen, but to do that I need more income, and that is squarely up to me, not the government.
I, at one time worked three jobs just to get by. That's why I went to college so I can qualify for better than minimum wage. Life isn't perfect, far from it, but all in all I consider myself much better off than five years ago. For one thing, I just recently paid off all my credit cards. To facilitate that I had to live cheaply and within my means. I can't remember the last time I bought myself a nice outfit . Good will for me seems like a dream! My summer clothes are my winter clothes and my winter clothes are my spring clothes which means I wear the same outfits all the time. I also canceled my expanded cable (I still have basic. $9 a month), my home phone, and my health club membership. All my home goods, and groceries are bought at Wal Mart which saves me a ton. It also doesn't hurt that I buy mostly store brands. The other thing is, I'm not a home owner either. I know I can't afford it right now, so I just don't. I rent an apartment instead which in a lot of ways saves me money. If something breaks down, like the plumbing or dish washer I'm covered. I also don't have to worry about things like PMI, and expensive home owner's insurance. A lot of things you list, like nice cars and homes, those are wants, and not true needs. There something to be saved up for. Nothing wrong with living in a trailer either. I lived in one for years and years, and I came out alright.
What I'm trying to say is, not all republicans, conservatives whatever you want to call us are rich. Far from it, we just want to keep what we got and have the ability to keep adding to. That doesn't mean you shouldn't help your neighbor, and I bet you five bucks most republicans do. I am all for a safety net for the least among us. I haven't said this for fear of getting whiplashed, but I have a very close family member who is on public assistance. If things don't change, she'll probably be on there for life. I love her no matter what, and if I had the money to make everything right, I would. In the meantime though, I have to keep on keeping on because most likely she's going to be living with me when she's old and I'm going to need everything I got to keep us both afloat.
iam with you on this one... we are small business owners who dont want to pay 80% of our income to the govt so they can waste the spending...it seems like dmes especially think thats how it should be...only out of ignorance do you want 80% of your money to go to govt because you think they take better care of you than you do... AND THATS WOULD IT COULD ED UP BEING if WE ARE NOT VILLIGANT about all this... yes we need to help where we need help...but over payment to the govt is just WASTE.
Rick
Rick
