Journey Takes Cue from Judas Priest
if you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
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if you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
ttango1 wrote:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88177928
Journey Takes Cue from Judas Priestif you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
STORY_TELLER wrote:ttango1 wrote:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88177928
Journey Takes Cue from Judas Priestif you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
The first clip they posted claiming it was the "original" version of Don't Stop Believin' by Journey wasn't Journey at all. It was the Zoo with Pineda. Then they went on to repeat the full length version of that exact same clip claiming the second clip was Pineda as a comparison.
I do, however, hear the studio version of DSB in the fade in duet track. I can tell by his vocal character that is Perry in that section.
What I hear is a guy with a good voice who can sing the song, but that's not what makes it special. Augeri could sing the song as well and even had a very similar tone to Perry, but it wasn't special. You know, that unquantifiable "it" factor?
Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
Rick wrote:You're dead on with the comparison.
I don't care the whys or whats of the way they're continuing. I would have been there if it were JSS or JH, and I'll be there if it's AP. The music is great and the shows are fun, especially when we have get togethers. The Las Vegas show was excellent, but getting together with that group of people was even better, I wouldn't trade that for anything.
STORY_TELLER wrote:Rick wrote:You're dead on with the comparison.
I don't care the whys or whats of the way they're continuing. I would have been there if it were JSS or JH, and I'll be there if it's AP. The music is great and the shows are fun, especially when we have get togethers. The Las Vegas show was excellent, but getting together with that group of people was even better, I wouldn't trade that for anything.
I have a very good ear.![]()
As to the rest:
Not taking that away from you. In fact, that's 100% of what most people get from the "nostalgia tour" experience. Good times, reliving great music the way you remember it when you first felt it touch you (not sexually you sick freak!).
What I was talking about was the band getting back to being more than that. The majority of Journey fans out there (from their heyday) haven't supported new music from the band since 1996. That's what it will take for them to be a legitimate band and not just a GH's tour and it will take new music, not photocopied and altered here or there, that doesn't sound "tired" to do so.
STORY_TELLER wrote:Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
texafana wrote:STORY_TELLER wrote:Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
YoungJRNY wrote:texafana wrote:STORY_TELLER wrote:Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
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ttango1 wrote:What about Wildest Dreams or After All These Years?
Are those re-worked as well?
STORY_TELLER wrote:Rick wrote:You're dead on with the comparison.
I don't care the whys or whats of the way they're continuing. I would have been there if it were JSS or JH, and I'll be there if it's AP. The music is great and the shows are fun, especially when we have get togethers. The Las Vegas show was excellent, but getting together with that group of people was even better, I wouldn't trade that for anything.
I have a very good ear.![]()
As to the rest:
Not taking that away from you. In fact, that's 100% of what most people get from the "nostalgia tour" experience. Good times, reliving great music the way you remember it when you first felt it touch you (not sexually you sick freak!).
What I was talking about was the band getting back to being more than that. The majority of Journey fans out there (from their heyday) haven't supported new music from the band since 1996. That's what it will take for them to be a legitimate band and not just a GH's tour and it will take new music, not photocopied and altered here or there, that doesn't sound "tired" to do so.
texafana wrote:jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
Greg wrote:texafana wrote:jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
That's a piss poor excuse to support the band as what it is, a nostalgic act. If that's all you want out of the band, fine. However, others like myself would love for them to become relevant again. And, I'm sorry, but just because most of the guys are older doesn't mean they all of a sudden don't know how to play their instruments or to write music.
I love Steve Perry, but if he's never coming back to the band, then Journey needs to do something completely different.
ttango1 wrote:Greg wrote:texafana wrote:jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
That's a piss poor excuse to support the band as what it is, a nostalgic act. If that's all you want out of the band, fine. However, others like myself would love for them to become relevant again. And, I'm sorry, but just because most of the guys are older doesn't mean they all of a sudden don't know how to play their instruments or to write music.
I love Steve Perry, but if he's never coming back to the band, then Journey needs to do something completely different.
Okay...explain how they become relevant again?
This one I have to hear.
Like Wombat, I'm a staunch supporter of Richard Springthorpe AKA Rick Springfield, he's gone a bunch of directions since his days as TV/Rock Star and while he has grown musically, his audience hasn't grown exponentially. His Who Killed Rock And Roll song is amazing and the passion displayed on stage at age 58 (just like Neal) is just as amazing. but having said that, he has done IMO what you said, done something completely different, and has it made him more relevant?
Nope, the hardcore appreciate it but the CASUAL fan, the ones that buy everything that affects the bottom line, they aren't coming in droves. At any case, when Rick releases that song this year. You should check it...maybe this youtube link will bring more fans to the shows. I almost had as much fun at an RS concert as I did at Journey in Vegas.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=u5hXcg8YEaE&feature=user
Greg wrote:texafana wrote:jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
Greg wrote:texafana wrote:jesus eh...these guys are in their late 50's, except for Deen and Arnel, what the hell do you expect them to do? Play the greatest hits, tour once in a while, put out some new music if/when they want to, etc. That's enough for me and for most real fans. Some people act as if these guys are spring chickens and should have all the time/energy to go in a new direction, risk everything, etc, etc. Hell no, if they bow out soon, at least they go out sounding like Journey now.
That's a piss poor excuse to support the band as what it is, a nostalgic act. If that's all you want out of the band, fine. However, others like myself would love for them to become relevant again. And, I'm sorry, but just because most of the guys are older doesn't mean they all of a sudden don't know how to play their instruments or to write music.
I love Steve Perry, but if he's never coming back to the band, then Journey needs to do something completely different.
Rick wrote:STORY_TELLER wrote:ttango1 wrote:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88177928
Journey Takes Cue from Judas Priestif you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
The first clip they posted claiming it was the "original" version of Don't Stop Believin' by Journey wasn't Journey at all. It was the Zoo with Pineda. Then they went on to repeat the full length version of that exact same clip claiming the second clip was Pineda as a comparison.
I do, however, hear the studio version of DSB in the fade in duet track. I can tell by his vocal character that is Perry in that section.
What I hear is a guy with a good voice who can sing the song, but that's not what makes it special. Augeri could sing the song as well and even had a very similar tone to Perry, but it wasn't special. You know, that unquantifiable "it" factor?
Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
You're dead on with the comparison.
I don't care the whys or whats of the way they're continuing. I would have been there if it were JSS or JH, and I'll be there if it's AP. The music is great and the shows are fun, especially when we have get togethers. The Las Vegas show was excellent, but getting together with that group of people was even better, I wouldn't trade that for anything.
Granny wrote:Rick wrote:STORY_TELLER wrote:ttango1 wrote:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88177928
Journey Takes Cue from Judas Priestif you want to get an idea of just how faithful he is to the Steve Perry sound, we actually dubbed Pineda on top of Perry to create a virtual duet.
The first clip they posted claiming it was the "original" version of Don't Stop Believin' by Journey wasn't Journey at all. It was the Zoo with Pineda. Then they went on to repeat the full length version of that exact same clip claiming the second clip was Pineda as a comparison.
I do, however, hear the studio version of DSB in the fade in duet track. I can tell by his vocal character that is Perry in that section.
What I hear is a guy with a good voice who can sing the song, but that's not what makes it special. Augeri could sing the song as well and even had a very similar tone to Perry, but it wasn't special. You know, that unquantifiable "it" factor?
Very easy to tout someone who can imitate what another artist originated. That's much easier than originating new material with that "it" factor. Perry had that "it" factor by the truck load and that's what made Journey the success it became. Neal and Jon agree with this or they wouldn't have hired 3 singers who sound like Perry and fired a 4th because he didn't.
If Pineda can create music with that "it" factor with Journey, then he'll have my vote. But if all he turns out to be is the best voice to date to continue the "tribute to Steve Perry's legacy band", then all this band is going to be is a nostalgia group year after year.
What Journey does with Pineda on original music is what will determine if this band becomes reborn or just continues the GH's tour like they did with Augeri. Waiting for the studio album before I make that determination, but if all they did was make an album of tired photocopies of previously created songs (eg. Never Walk Away/Be Good to Yourself)? No way they move beyond the GH's tour. At least not in the states.
You're dead on with the comparison.
I don't care the whys or whats of the way they're continuing. I would have been there if it were JSS or JH, and I'll be there if it's AP. The music is great and the shows are fun, especially when we have get togethers. The Las Vegas show was excellent, but getting together with that group of people was even better, I wouldn't trade that for anything.
Rickie, you are right on...It's still Journey, sounds like Journey and their live shows are the best. Those get togethers are just awesome. sorry I missed this one....
Voyager wrote:No doubt about it - Arnel does a great Steve Perry impersonation.
Vladan wrote:Voyager wrote:No doubt about it - Arnel does a great Steve Perry impersonation.
Certainly. Arnel can sing, but I find that he's not original - whenever he sings any song from any band or whatever, he sounds like the original vocalist. I believe that's the way he learned to sing, he didn't develop his own style, which a lot of professional singers seem to do as well.
conversationpc wrote:There are some singers who are just going to sound like whoever they're covering at the moment just because of the way their voice is.
conversationpc wrote:Other singers are blessed with a unique enough voice that they're only ever going to sound like themselves no matter how hard they try.
Vladan wrote:Personally, it's not a bad thing! but if you want to be successful and not branded a clone, then it's a smart move to learn and develop your vocal style to suit your own, which you can do - there a methods to do this when you first start out singing, the best singing teachers talk about this.
conversationpc wrote:Vladan wrote:Personally, it's not a bad thing! but if you want to be successful and not branded a clone, then it's a smart move to learn and develop your vocal style to suit your own, which you can do - there a methods to do this when you first start out singing, the best singing teachers talk about this.
I disagree. You have just go with what you have. Sure you can develop your style with lessons, technique, etc., but in the end, you are going to sound like yourself unless you just totally change what you sound like simply for the sake of being different.
Vladan wrote:Voyager wrote:No doubt about it - Arnel does a great Steve Perry impersonation.
Certainly. Arnel can sing, but I find that he's not original - whenever he sings any song from any band or whatever, he sounds like the original vocalist. I believe that's the way he learned to sing, he didn't develop his own style, which a lot of professional singers seem to do as well.
Voyager wrote:Vladan wrote:Voyager wrote:No doubt about it - Arnel does a great Steve Perry impersonation.
Certainly. Arnel can sing, but I find that he's not original - whenever he sings any song from any band or whatever, he sounds like the original vocalist. I believe that's the way he learned to sing, he didn't develop his own style, which a lot of professional singers seem to do as well.
Journey is a tribute band now - so why should Arnel develop his own style? If they wanted someone with their own style, they would have stayed with JSS. They obviously wanted someone who could cover Steve Perry very well, and Arnel does the best Steve Perry impersonation I have ever heard. Am I wrong?
Voyager wrote:Vladan wrote:Voyager wrote:No doubt about it - Arnel does a great Steve Perry impersonation.
Certainly. Arnel can sing, but I find that he's not original - whenever he sings any song from any band or whatever, he sounds like the original vocalist. I believe that's the way he learned to sing, he didn't develop his own style, which a lot of professional singers seem to do as well.
Journey is a tribute band now - so why should Arnel develop his own style? If they wanted someone with their own style, they would have stayed with JSS. They obviously wanted someone who could cover Steve Perry very well, and Arnel does the best Steve Perry impersonation I have ever heard. Am I wrong?
Saint John wrote:I think Jeremey sounds more like Steve Perry than Arnel does, but I think Arnel is a better singer.
When it was time for JOURNEY to look for a new lead singer, the Internet came to their rescue. Guitarist Neal Schon wanted someone new to the music business, so he turned to YouTube. After finding Arnel singing "Faithfully", he knew he had found the perfect frontman.
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