How damaged is Perry's voice really?

[Jeremey]

Unlike Journey when they've toured with a new release the past 7-8 years, Perry DID manage to put a HUGE chunk of FTLOSM tunes into his show, which I really respected.

[bluejeangirl76]

As I said though, I'm still surprised that he put THAT many Journey songs on the setlist for that tour.

Because he is just as much saddled with the audience's expectation of hearing those songs as Journey still is. If he got up on that stage and didn't do DSB, Separate Ways, Faithfully, Lights and LTS, people would go mental on him. Don't ask me what GCHI or IBAWY were doing in there. That tour/promotion didn't last long enough for people to remember those the same way as DSB, et all.

Exactly...just play the 5 you listed above, which keeps the loons at bay. He could have survived without playing Only the Young, Any Way You Want It, Girl Can't Help It, Dixie Highway, I'll Be Allright..--and that's after he dropped Open Arms and Stone in Love from the first night. My only comment was that you could put other songs in there from Street Talk (80% was never played live), or a few others from FTLOSM (Stand Up sounded great the one or two times it was played)--which most are in a lower range.

Personally, I prefer the ones you mentioned above way more than the dirty dozen.

I'll take anything from track #2 onward from Street Talk over IBAWY any day of the week.
AWYWI belongs there. Only the Young belongs. And Stone In Love should be our National Anthem.

Dixie Highway never should have been dropped from the setlist after Departure. In fact, he should be on TV nightly singing that. VH1 should stop everything once a day and get Steve Perry live on TV singing Dixie Highway. When I'm President, that will happen. Federal mandate. If not, I will deport his ass the hell to Ecuador.

[Saint John]

Unlike Journey when they've toured with a new release the past 7-8 years, Perry DID manage to put a HUGE chunk of FTLOSM tunes into his show, which I really respected.

And yet sales for the album still blew ass. I'm surprised Mr. Motown himself didn't play any Four Tops songs...no Elvis songs either. I guess he only sings them during hostile takeovers. Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Journey knows what the fans want to hear and that's what they play. The average concert goer hits one or two shows and they expect to hear the "hits"...that's why they were hits in the first place!!! I would like to see them support their albums a bit better (I suspect they will this one as they have a legit frontman for the first time since Perry) and throw in a few of the lesser hits, but I certainly don't need to hear Kohoutek, Dixie Highway, Nickel and Dime, or Precious Time ever again in concert!!! I would like to hear Mother Father, After The Fall, Suzanne, and I'll Be Alright Without You, more though.

[kgdjpubs]

And Stone In Love should be our National Anthem.

maybe, but after the opening night's performance of Stone In Love, I don't that song was heard from again on the FTLOSM tour. Judging from the problem's he had that night on the song, I don't think it's coincidence either. That's a high song to sing.

[Tito]

I only recall Perry playing 4 songs off of FTLOSM (stupid album title IMO) in concert along with two Street Talk (better album title) songs. The rest were Journey. Journey the last few releases, typically played 3 new songs in concert. So, not much of a difference. Their first few shows of the tour, they would played a lot more, but realized by the crowd reaction they weren't interested in that, so they scaled back. Bad for us, but smart move. Good businessmen, giving the customer what they want. The only time I remember them playing more than that throughout a tour, but even then I think they scaled back, was the Vacation Over Tour in '98. I remember several TBF songs played at least at the first concert I went to. I would have to check the tape on the second one.

[Tito]

And Stone In Love should be our National Anthem.

maybe, but after the opening night's performance of Stone In Love, I don't that song was heard from again on the FTLOSM tour. Judging from the problem's he had that night on the song, I don't think it's coincidence either. That's a high song to sing.

I was there that night. What were the three songs he played that night, the he didn't play again. I know Stone In Love and Open Arms were two. What was the third? Wasn't it Send Her My Love. Right?

[bluejeangirl76]

And Stone In Love should be our National Anthem.

maybe, but after the opening night's performance of Stone In Love, I don't that song was heard from again on the FTLOSM tour. Judging from the problem's he had that night on the song, I don't think it's coincidence either. That's a high song to sing.

I was there that night. What were the three songs he played that night, the he didn't play again. I know Stone In Love and Open Arms were two. What was the third? Wasn't it Send Her My Love. Right?

What's weird is that when I got the boot of that show, SIL and OA were not in it. If I recall right, someone hooked me up with SIL but I'm still not sure I have the full show. I don't know if there was a 3rd missing song... haven't played that one in 2 years.

I agree though, SIL is a bitch of a song to sing. No one I've heard since has been able to do it (well). Stay Awhile should have been there the whole time but wasn't added until damn near the end.

[DracIsBack]

. If he got up on that stage and didn't do DSB, Separate Ways, Faithfully, Lights and LTS, people would go mental on him. Don't ask me what GCHI or IBAWY were doing in there. That tour/promotion didn't last long enough for people to remember those the same way as DSB, et all.

Geez, you like acronyms!

[bluejeangirl76]

. If he got up on that stage and didn't do DSB, Separate Ways, Faithfully, Lights and LTS, people would go mental on him. Don't ask me what GCHI or IBAWY were doing in there. That tour/promotion didn't last long enough for people to remember those the same way as DSB, et all.

Geez, you like acronyms!

No, I just like it better when Journey and/or Perry stick to one-word titles so I don't have to type all that shit. Could those mofos possibly have used longer titles!? For the Love of God I'll Be Alright Without Your Lovin' Touchin' and Sqeezin'!

[DracIsBack]

The average concert goer hits one or two shows and they expect to hear the "hits"...that's why they were hits in the first place!!!!

That's one of the drawbacks of being a fan of an older band. I personally get tired of the hits and into other tunes on the album. However, Joe-Q-Greatest-Hits owner takes up a lot of seats at concerts and wants to hear the hits. At best, the groups can usually get away with a few other songs from a really big album (ie. Hotel California, Infinity, Rumours, Escape, High Infidelity) on top of the top forty lineup.

In fact, the only act I've been able to see pull off more of a "play what we want" approach is Toto ... and that only works in Europe where a number of people that see them play go specifically to see them play their instruments as much as any hit song.

Joe-Q pays the bills.

[DracIsBack]

No, I just like it better when Journey and/or Perry stick to one-word titles so I don't have to type all that shit. Could those mofos possibly have used longer titles!? For the Love of God I'll Be Alright Without Your Lovin' Touchin' and Sqeezin'!

LMAO

[RedWingFan]

he's notorious for being a perfectionist.

Bullshit. Then why where the songs on the ROR tour sung as if you were listening a to an old cassette that someone hit "fast forward" on?

As opposed to recent "Journey" shows when you were actually listening to an old cassette Dan? Please excuse Perry if he refuses to lip and defraud his fans like "Journey" does. But at least they were out on the road for you huh?

Try and stay on topic please. I don't see the correlation between an ex-member that lipped and Perry flying through the songs on the ROR tour.

I think it's very on topic. How can you criticize the way Perry handled his situation, whether it's staying home or speeding up the songs. While it was the BAND that put the ex-member out front to lip so they could collect the all important CASH!!!! My point is Perry never lipped and would rather sit out rather than defraud his fans.
You're not gonna try and pull the "Augeri lipped while the rest of the band had no idea what was going on" card are you?
The way I see it Schon and Cain were free of Perry's pull, pride, and artistic morality which allowed them to mime. They Journey didn't defraud the fans for the fans. They defrauded the fans for the money and the money only.
Perry's on the high ground in this situation.
You criticize Perry, his ego and his destructiveness to the band and it runs counter to your argument that Perry's a better frontman than Mercury. Mercury was better!

[bluejeangirl76]

I think it's very on topic. How can you criticize the way Perry handled his situation, whether it's staying home or speeding up the songs. While it was the BAND that put the ex-member out front to lip so they could collect the all important CASH!!!! ...

...and then drop him like they opened their Burger King bag and discovered a wet turd inside.

[Saint John]

I think it's very on topic. How can you criticize the way Perry handled his situation, whether it's staying home or speeding up the songs. While it was the BAND that put the ex-member out front to lip so they could collect the all important CASH!!!! My point is Perry never lipped and would rather sit out rather than defraud his fans.
You're not gonna try and pull the "Augeri lipped while the rest of the band had no idea what was going on" card are you?
The way I see it Schon and Cain were free of Perry's pull, pride, and artistic morality which allowed them to mime. They Journey didn't defraud the fans for the fans. They defrauded the fans for the money and the money only.
Perry's on the high ground in this situation.
You criticize Perry, his ego and his destructiveness to the band and it runs counter to your argument that Perry's a better frontman than Mercury. Mercury was better!

1) I have never condoned the lipping that went on. However, not knowing the legal issues/ramifications I'm not sure if they could have pulled the plug. I do think they should have had a better backup plan ready, though. Augeri had been showing signs of impending total voice loss for quite some time. Perry, and his pseudo-musicians, disappointed a few thousand people when they pulled the plug....it went largely unnoticed. Journey had a few hundred thousand tickets already sold for the Journey/Def Leppard tour (which Journey clearly opened).
2) Perry simply can't function, write, tour or record completely absent of Journey. He has more than proven that. He should get his head out of ass and call Neal and Jon, apologize for the decade he stole from them, and move forward.
3) The only thing Mercury was better than Perry at was using his sphincter for a meat locker.

[kgdjpubs]

I want to hear faithfully from this show. How the hell would he do the ending high vocals of the song if Separate Ways had him ducking. Time is a motherfucker isnt it.

I've gone back and listened to the songs and to put it as succinctly as I possibly can, he did NOT duck the high ending notes on either song.

If anyone is absolutely desperate to hear the songs, PM me. Quite frankly though, I have little interest in posting a link of the full song for the whole world to hear a legend on a bad night that was NOT representative of the tour, and likely just before shows started getting cancelled. Like I said earlier, this show should have been cancelled also. Added to that, for anyone that heard the other sample, there is very little to no reverb on the vocals, which means the recording most likely sounds WORSE than the actual concert, where a little reverb can hide a bad note.

90 seconds, to me, is more than enough not to want to hear it again, and there is no reason to beat a dead horse when there are plenty of recordings from that tour (NYC, for example) where he sounds just fine.

So endeth the sermon.

[Rick]

I think it's very on topic. How can you criticize the way Perry handled his situation, whether it's staying home or speeding up the songs. While it was the BAND that put the ex-member out front to lip so they could collect the all important CASH!!!! ...

...and then drop him like they opened their Burger King bag and discovered a wet turd inside.

Wet or dry turd, I'm dropping that bag.

[Saint John]

For all of you fucking Perry Loons that blame Herbie for blowing out Perry's voice, please take a look at this part of Perry's tour schedule during his FTLOSM tour:


Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan

Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan

Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan

Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan

Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan

Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan

Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan

Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan

Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan

Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan


10 shows in 12 fucking days?!?!

[bluejeangirl76]

10 shows in 12 fucking days?!?!

Hey, who gave that SOB two days off? Lazyass.

[Carlitto H@kk]

10 shows in 12 fucking days?!?!

Hey, who gave that SOB two days off? Lazyass.

It was a requiremnt in his contract so he could use those
2 days to get his hair extensions touched up

[ProgRocker53]

Kohoutek, Dixie Highway, Nickel and Dime, or Precious Time

Four of the best damn Journey songs ever made right there.

[Rhiannon]

Kohoutek, Dixie Highway, Nickel and Dime, or Precious Time

Four of the best damn Journey songs ever made right there.

People and Places was better than Precious Time.

[bluejeangirl76]

10 shows in 12 fucking days?!?!

Hey, who gave that SOB two days off? Lazyass.

It was a requiremnt in his contract so he could use those
2 days to get his hair extensions touched up

Well thank god it wan't three days. He could have ended up with cornrows.

[Tito]

Yeah. WTF was with that look.

[Saint John]

Kohoutek, Dixie Highway, Nickel and Dime, or Precious Time

Four of the best damn Journey songs ever made right there.

Yeah, and if played in concert you end up with people streaming toward the bathrooms/beer stands like sissies at a free dick giveaway.

[Saint John]

He could have ended up with cornrows.

Then he could have looked like a jive motherfucker, too.

[Rhiannon]

He could have ended up with cornrows.

Or worse... Rastafarian dreads.

[bluejeangirl76]

He could have ended up with cornrows.

Then he could have looked like a jive motherfucker, too.

Ohhhhh. Day-um.
I felt the ricochet from that all the way here.

[Andrew]

I think it's very on topic. How can you criticize the way Perry handled his situation, whether it's staying home or speeding up the songs. While it was the BAND that put the ex-member out front to lip so they could collect the all important CASH!!!! My point is Perry never lipped and would rather sit out rather than defraud his fans.
You're not gonna try and pull the "Augeri lipped while the rest of the band had no idea what was going on" card are you?
The way I see it Schon and Cain were free of Perry's pull, pride, and artistic morality which allowed them to mime. They Journey didn't defraud the fans for the fans. They defrauded the fans for the money and the money only.
Perry's on the high ground in this situation.
You criticize Perry, his ego and his destructiveness to the band and it runs counter to your argument that Perry's a better frontman than Mercury. Mercury was better!

1) I have never condoned the lipping that went on. However, not knowing the legal issues/ramifications I'm not sure if they could have pulled the plug. I do think they should have had a better backup plan ready, though. Augeri had been showing signs of impending total voice loss for quite some time. Perry, and his pseudo-musicians, disappointed a few thousand people when they pulled the plug....it went largely unnoticed. Journey had a few hundred thousand tickets already sold for the Journey/Def Leppard tour (which Journey clearly opened).
2) Perry simply can't function, write, tour or record completely absent of Journey. He has more than proven that. He should get his head out of ass and call Neal and Jon, apologize for the decade he stole from them, and move forward.
3) The only thing Mercury was better than Perry at was using his sphincter for a meat locker.

You comments are offensive, out of line and need to stop. Got it?