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Postby Liquid_Drummer » Tue May 20, 2008 2:57 am

I find his singing in that song to be very monotone. His voice was beyond raspy it was rough and not enjoyable to my ear. Either Perry has nodes and refused to have them removed out of fear that it could sideline him for good OR he had them removed and they made things worse. Something happened between Against The Wall and the Bill Graham tribute for sure. Talking what, 4 years. Then on the FTLOSM tour he had to sing songs he had just recorded one half step down...

Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.. Find someone that ran an 8 minute mile 25 years ago and ask them if they can still do it. Even if kept on running I am sure their answer would be no way...

I am sure he could still move a listener but not in the same way. Not the way I want to hear it. I think a lot of us around here love living in the past. I do.
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Postby Deb » Tue May 20, 2008 3:01 am

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frfksakes wrote:Didn't he sound like this for Stung out?


No. He sounded fan-fucking-tastic on Strung Out. Voice was deep, strong and full of life. ICSIIYE has none of that.


:lol: He always sounds good to Strungout. :wink: :D
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Postby Saint John » Tue May 20, 2008 3:05 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.


His "window" proved to be the greatest in vocal history, and even more so live. That said, the FTLOSM tour saw him attempt and abandon Stone In Love and Open Arms almost immediately (if I'm not mistaken) so he knew he was limited in what he could now sing. I'd like just once for him to give an interview and speak about his current vocal capabilities and potential recording and/or touring options. Right now, logic mandates me to believe that he's not singing because he can't sing.
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Postby RockitRide » Tue May 20, 2008 4:47 am

Saint John wrote:
Liquid_Drummer wrote:Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.


His "window" proved to be the greatest in vocal history, and even more so live. That said, the FTLOSM tour saw him attempt and abandon Stone In Love and Open Arms almost immediately (if I'm not mistaken) so he knew he was limited in what he could now sing. I'd like just once for him to give an interview and speak about his current vocal capabilities and potential recording and/or touring options. Right now, logic mandates me to believe that he's not singing because he can't sing.


Most good singers have a hard time giving it up for good. Even Tina Turner is back on tour after she "retired". Most of these people have oversized egos and they can't stay out of the limelight for too long, unless they just can't deliver the goods. Perry is probably toast. He can get some satisfaction from his legacy and he probably doesn't want to tarnish that image. If Perry's voice did in fact crap out on him than we have to cut Augeri a bit of slack if even the "Great One" couldn't handle the catalogue. I repeat, dropping those songs a half or full step would not have diminished the quality of the studio or live performances. At least 99% of the listening public don't know a C from a B-flat and they don't really care. A man should be able to sing well into his 60's if he takes care of his voice properly. Woman have other issues that impact their voices, but men have no excuse for destroying their voice.
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Postby brywool » Tue May 20, 2008 8:22 am

If Perry does a covers album after all of the "I've been writing" stuff he's been saying for years, I won't buy it.

Steve, put your money where your mouth is, or 'go away, go away'
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Postby brywool » Tue May 20, 2008 8:24 am

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I love ICSIIYE! Should have replaced that damn Baby I'm a leaving you crap, imo, lol.[/b]


Definitely. BIALY was really lame. Almost a novelty tune.
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Postby brywool » Tue May 20, 2008 8:28 am

RockitRide wrote:... I repeat, dropping those songs a half or full step would not have diminished the quality of the studio or live performances. At least 99% of the listening public don't know a C from a B-flat and they don't really care. A man should be able to sing well into his 60's if he takes care of his voice properly. Woman have other issues that impact their voices, but men have no excuse for destroying their voice.


I seem to remember JSS saying that when he was filling in that they did indeed drop the tunes for him at a gig or two and that it made it harder for him to sing them. (I may be remembering that incorrectly...). I did a fill in gig with a band a few weeks ago, and they play stuff lower. Some songs were harder to sing. Think it just has to do with your voice's bridge. I thought it definitely made some things harder to sing. Not logical, but a fact.

Perry dropped them for his tour and still had problems hitting the notes in Only the Young.
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Postby amaron » Tue May 20, 2008 8:42 am

Saint John wrote:I'd like just once for him to give an interview and speak about his current vocal capabilities and potential recording and/or touring options.


An actual interview... not the fluff pieces he participates in every few years.
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Postby swataz » Wed May 21, 2008 12:59 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:I find his singing in that song to be very monotone. His voice was beyond raspy it was rough and not enjoyable to my ear. Either Perry has nodes and refused to have them removed out of fear that it could sideline him for good OR he had them removed and they made things worse. Something happened between Against The Wall and the Bill Graham tribute for sure. Talking what, 4 years. Then on the FTLOSM tour he had to sing songs he had just recorded one half step down...

Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.. Find someone that ran an 8 minute mile 25 years ago and ask them if they can still do it. Even if kept on running I am sure their answer would be no way...

I am sure he could still move a listener but not in the same way. Not the way I want to hear it. I think a lot of us around here love living in the past. I do.


The idea that he has nodes always comes to my mind. And yeah, ask Julie Andrews if it is a crapshoot when you get surgery...

Although in this day and age, you'd think that doctors could successfully remove an impediment to a singer's vocal quality without a second thought.

Didn't Steven Tyler get nodule surgery a couple of years back? I think that worked out ok.
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Postby amaron » Wed May 21, 2008 1:36 am

swataz wrote:
Liquid_Drummer wrote:I find his singing in that song to be very monotone. His voice was beyond raspy it was rough and not enjoyable to my ear. Either Perry has nodes and refused to have them removed out of fear that it could sideline him for good OR he had them removed and they made things worse. Something happened between Against The Wall and the Bill Graham tribute for sure. Talking what, 4 years. Then on the FTLOSM tour he had to sing songs he had just recorded one half step down...

Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.. Find someone that ran an 8 minute mile 25 years ago and ask them if they can still do it. Even if kept on running I am sure their answer would be no way...

I am sure he could still move a listener but not in the same way. Not the way I want to hear it. I think a lot of us around here love living in the past. I do.


The idea that he has nodes always comes to my mind. And yeah, ask Julie Andrews if it is a crapshoot when you get surgery...

Although in this day and age, you'd think that doctors could successfully remove an impediment to a singer's vocal quality without a second thought.

Didn't Steven Tyler get nodule surgery a couple of years back? I think that worked out ok.


Go back to the MOFO, you shitstain. :lol:
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Postby DracIsBack » Wed May 21, 2008 1:40 am

Saint John wrote: Right now, logic mandates me to believe that he's not singing because he can't sing.


That's a little too "all or nothing". I have a feeling Steve Perry can probably still sing better and higher than the vast majority of male posters in this forum. :lol:

There's a difference between "can't sing at all" and "can't sing the original Journey songs in their original key.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 21, 2008 2:40 am

swataz wrote:
The idea that he has nodes always comes to my mind. And yeah, ask Julie Andrews if it is a crapshoot when you get surgery...

Although in this day and age, you'd think that doctors could successfully remove an impediment to a singer's vocal quality without a second thought.

Didn't Steven Tyler get nodule surgery a couple of years back? I think that worked out ok.


I don't think Tyler's was a nodule(s). I believe that he had something different where his blood vessels in his chords were swollen which caused the folds (vocal cords) themselves to swell. Someone here posted a fascinating National Geographic video of Tyler's laser surgery. It was very interesting to watch. The doctors went in with a laser and basically zapped the offending vessels. Now, what that does to his longevity, I have no idea.
Julie Andrews, yeah, that's a damned shame. Great voice. Could you even IMAGINE having your voice wrecked for life? Who knows, maybe Perry did that and the surgery was botched.
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Postby brywool » Wed May 21, 2008 2:42 am

DracIsBack wrote:
That's a little too "all or nothing". I have a feeling Steve Perry can probably still sing better and higher than the vast majority of male posters in this forum. :lol:



Which has nothing to do with anything. I don't think people are saying they could sing better than Perry. I think people are saying his voice is damaged, which, quite frankly is a topic that's been exhausted.
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Postby swataz » Wed May 21, 2008 2:47 am

amaron wrote:
swataz wrote:
Liquid_Drummer wrote:I find his singing in that song to be very monotone. His voice was beyond raspy it was rough and not enjoyable to my ear. Either Perry has nodes and refused to have them removed out of fear that it could sideline him for good OR he had them removed and they made things worse. Something happened between Against The Wall and the Bill Graham tribute for sure. Talking what, 4 years. Then on the FTLOSM tour he had to sing songs he had just recorded one half step down...

Steve had his "window" of true vocal greatness. That window appears to have closed by 1990. Yes he can emote however he can not soar. Jesus, listen to open arms from the 94 tour. AWFUL.. Find someone that ran an 8 minute mile 25 years ago and ask them if they can still do it. Even if kept on running I am sure their answer would be no way...

I am sure he could still move a listener but not in the same way. Not the way I want to hear it. I think a lot of us around here love living in the past. I do.


The idea that he has nodes always comes to my mind. And yeah, ask Julie Andrews if it is a crapshoot when you get surgery...

Although in this day and age, you'd think that doctors could successfully remove an impediment to a singer's vocal quality without a second thought.

Didn't Steven Tyler get nodule surgery a couple of years back? I think that worked out ok.


Go back to the MOFO, you shitstain. :lol:


LOL, I thought that was you. LOL

When the hell did everyone start saying shitstain anyway? It's getting annoying already....
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Postby swataz » Wed May 21, 2008 2:53 am

brywool wrote:
swataz wrote:
The idea that he has nodes always comes to my mind. And yeah, ask Julie Andrews if it is a crapshoot when you get surgery...

Although in this day and age, you'd think that doctors could successfully remove an impediment to a singer's vocal quality without a second thought.

Didn't Steven Tyler get nodule surgery a couple of years back? I think that worked out ok.


I don't think Tyler's was a nodule(s). I believe that he had something different where his blood vessels in his chords were swollen which caused the folds (vocal cords) themselves to swell. Someone here posted a fascinating National Geographic video of Tyler's laser surgery. It was very interesting to watch. The doctors went in with a laser and basically zapped the offending vessels. Now, what that does to his longevity, I have no idea.
Julie Andrews, yeah, that's a damned shame. Great voice. Could you even IMAGINE having your voice wrecked for life? Who knows, maybe Perry did that and the surgery was botched.


Anything is possible, although perhapshis style of singing was especially damaging to his vocal cords, and you could easily hear the progression of raspiness with each successive LP and tour. Perhaps that and age has caught up to him insofar as keeping a standard that he would consider good enough to record? Who knows.

The post that staes he could still sing better and higher than most guys on the forum is still true, regardless of whether it is relevant!
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Postby MrsPerry » Wed May 21, 2008 4:44 am

I think he will surprise everyone.

*thanks to deb for the screenshot for my av*

*i fixed it, but am not happy about it*. 8)
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Postby Deb » Wed May 21, 2008 4:55 am

MrsPerry wrote:I think he will surprise everyone.

*thanks to deb for the screenshot for my av*

*i fixed it, but am not happy about it*. 8)


LOL, you're welcome. Had to shrink it.....was too big. Didn't want to get you in trouble with the bossman! :lol:
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