Deen, Augeri, Arnel and those other guys

[MCC620]

his "brother" is out sick and he hasn't spoken to him. oh yeah deen's a real stand up guy. seems like the dedication may be just a way to reel in the fans, as he took a lot of heat for his comment in the interview, and feel a bit better about himself.

Please don't continue to bore us with your barely literate, sob inducing bullshit. Steve Augeri is a man. One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. We don't need your back dated editorials about a guy that is now seen less than Bin Laden. They're not interesting. Go back and resume stirring your cauldron of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese and enjoy your pre-lunch snack.

shut up st douchebag. jeff pegged you perfectly.....deano wannabe.

[stevew2]

I feel sorry for Augeri because:

* he was shanghaied by his bandmates
* he was 'exposed' by a bunch of motherfuckers that wouldn't have had the technical ability or knowledge to do such a thing in the first place. Some reside or resided here.
* he was denegrated by his band mates long after his departure of the band with the release of faith in the heartland, the protools comments (trust me, Arnel comped his vocals too!) and various other off handed comments directed at steve.


I do not feel sorry for Augeri because:

* He's a far better person than the pieces of shit he used to perform with
* He actually saved his money, unlike the twats he used to play with
* He's actually got a family and a wife....unlike some of the twats he used to play with.

You hit the fucken nail right on right on the head

[RedWingFan]

One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live.

Dude, "whatever reason" was more than likely pressure from at least 2 other members to lip and defraud fans out of hard earned money.

[stevew2]

Not one to post often and never one to really stick my beak in, I just have a couple of thoughts on a few things.

- Arnel - WOW!!! He's got a HUGE voice. He did a great job putting his own spin on the original songs. He definitely took some of his vocal cues from Perry but, he didn't try to sound like him or oversing. We've all heard remakes, tributes, live recordings, etc. of these songs by other singers and they never really captured the feeling of the song or sounded right. It's hard when you compare all of these great songs to the original vocals but, these were done very well. Nice job. One thing...I only hope, for the sake of his career and personal well-being, that he doesn't blow his voice up singing those big songs in the original keys. I hope he holds something back when he's singing live. It would be a shame to burn out right away.

- Deen - This dude ROCKS!! I'm not talking about his playing. He's a great, great drummer but, Steve Smith is one of the top 10 in the entire world. Even Deen would tell you that Smitty outclasses him. No, I'm talking about his personal "Thank You" to Steve Augeri in his liner notes. That was beyond cool. He didn't have to but, he showed an amazing amount of class by doing that. He knows what went down, "tapegate", how Steve was treated by the other guys and management. They even re-recorded one of his songs with Arnel when the original was perfectly fine, albeit on a very bad album. He knows how Steve was abused and not given anywhere near enough credit for his contributions to the band...certainly no public praise whatsoever. Steve Augeri was given a raw deal in the end and was treated badly. Hit-and-run left on the side of the road to bleed to death...never to be spoken of again. Deen stood up and publicly recognized him and even called him "friend" and "brother".

How did a guy with so much class get hooked up with guys like Jon and Neal?

Journey lost a whole year of touring and $$ when they fucked Steve A ,then JSS ,i didnt feel sorry for them when they didnt have a lead singer when the Sopranos bullshit came out.Asses

But they did have a lead singer. JSS was still in the band at the time, then he was let go.

They dumped JSS in May of 2007.That year they didnt tour.Dumb fuckers

[Centaure]

One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. .

Well he sangs so many nights...

Maybe the band is angry about him because he could not do lipsync well !

What happen exactly ? He droped the microphone ?

[amaron]

One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. .

Well he sangs so many nights...

Maybe the band is angry about him because he could not do lipsync well !

What happen exactly ? He droped the microphone ?

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[Saint John]

his "brother" is out sick and he hasn't spoken to him. oh yeah deen's a real stand up guy. seems like the dedication may be just a way to reel in the fans, as he took a lot of heat for his comment in the interview, and feel a bit better about himself.

Please don't continue to bore us with your barely literate, sob inducing bullshit. Steve Augeri is a man. One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. We don't need your back dated editorials about a guy that is now seen less than Bin Laden. They're not interesting. Go back and resume stirring your cauldron of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese and enjoy your pre-lunch snack.

shut up st douchebag. jeff pegged you perfectly.....deano wannabe.

Quit talking with your mouth full.

[MCC620]

his "brother" is out sick and he hasn't spoken to him. oh yeah deen's a real stand up guy. seems like the dedication may be just a way to reel in the fans, as he took a lot of heat for his comment in the interview, and feel a bit better about himself.

Please don't continue to bore us with your barely literate, sob inducing bullshit. Steve Augeri is a man. One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. We don't need your back dated editorials about a guy that is now seen less than Bin Laden. They're not interesting. Go back and resume stirring your cauldron of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese and enjoy your pre-lunch snack.

shut up st douchebag. jeff pegged you perfectly.....deano wannabe.

Quit talking with your mouth full.

i think jeff also called you a fuckwit......yup that works too.

[Onestepper]

his "brother" is out sick and he hasn't spoken to him. oh yeah deen's a real stand up guy. seems like the dedication may be just a way to reel in the fans, as he took a lot of heat for his comment in the interview, and feel a bit better about himself.

Please don't continue to bore us with your barely literate, sob inducing bullshit. Steve Augeri is a man. One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. We don't need your back dated editorials about a guy that is now seen less than Bin Laden. They're not interesting. Go back and resume stirring your cauldron of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese and enjoy your pre-lunch snack.

shut up st douchebag. jeff pegged you perfectly.....deano wannabe.

Quit talking with your mouth full.

i think jeff also called you a fuckwit......yup that works too.

So what exactly is a fuckwit?? Is that in the family of names that also holds 'fucktard'? Cause that's may favorite of all the Fucks!

Inquiring minds want to know

[MCC620]

i think jeff also called you a fuckwit......yup that works too.

So what exactly is a fuckwit?? Is that in the family of names that also holds 'fucktard'? Cause that's may favorite of all the Fucks!

Inquiring minds want to know

maybe a fucking nitwit? anywho, kudos to jeff for a great word

[Saint John]

his "brother" is out sick and he hasn't spoken to him. oh yeah deen's a real stand up guy. seems like the dedication may be just a way to reel in the fans, as he took a lot of heat for his comment in the interview, and feel a bit better about himself.

Please don't continue to bore us with your barely literate, sob inducing bullshit. Steve Augeri is a man. One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live. We don't need your back dated editorials about a guy that is now seen less than Bin Laden. They're not interesting. Go back and resume stirring your cauldron of Kraft Macaroni and Cheese and enjoy your pre-lunch snack.

shut up st douchebag. jeff pegged you perfectly.....deano wannabe.

Quit talking with your mouth full.

i think jeff also called you a fuckwit......yup that works too.

Isn't Jeff the same guy you blasted after he took over for Steve "Marcel Marceau" Augeri? Suddenly you're clinging to him like he's the last Dorito in the bag.

[MCC620]

Isn't Jeff the same guy you blasted after he took over for Steve "Marcel Marceau" Augeri? Suddenly you're clinging to him like he's the last Dorito in the bag.

umm i blasted him for his 'tude at the time, but i never diminished his accomplishments or his talent. because unlike you, i know they exist.

[Saint John]

Isn't Jeff the same guy you blasted after he took over for Steve "Marcel Marceau" Augeri? Suddenly you're clinging to him like he's the last Dorito in the bag.

umm i blasted him for his 'tude at the time, but i never diminished his accomplishments or his talent. because unlike you, i know they exist.

I have never had a problem with the man's accomplishments and talent(s). It's the company people chose to lump him in with and the distorted views of him not being noticed I found wildy erroneous. Being a professional musician for that long is no easy task. My hat's off to the man. I just don't think it makes you an upper tier rock singer.

[MCC620]

Isn't Jeff the same guy you blasted after he took over for Steve "Marcel Marceau" Augeri? Suddenly you're clinging to him like he's the last Dorito in the bag.

umm i blasted him for his 'tude at the time, but i never diminished his accomplishments or his talent. because unlike you, i know they exist.

I have never had a problem with the man's accomplishments and talent(s). It's the company people chose to lump him in with and the distorted views of him not being noticed I found wildy erroneous. Being a professional musician for that long is no easy task. My hat's off to the man. I just don't think it makes you an upper tier rock singer.

well success as an "upper tier rock singer" is in the ear of the beholder i guess. i mean listener

[UncleKG]

I know nothing about Deen, other than that he's a talented guy.

As to his "piece of shit"-ness, I have no idea. I will say he gives a shout out to Steve A. in the liner notes of Revelation, though (the only band member to do so).

It says "Steve Augeri - you are my brother forever and you are missed." Lip service? Entirely possible.

As far as him not having Augeri's back...I have no illusions that he has any more say so than Arnel probably does. It's Neal and Jon's band.

I'll use the comparison of him to Ron Wood. Woody was a hired gun from the early 80's until around the time of the Voodoo Lounge tour in the early 90's (my timeline may be off slightly, but it was a LONG time that he wasn't a full member of the Stones).

[Red13JoePa]

I'll use the comparison of him to Ron Wood. Woody was a hired gun from the early 80's until around the time of the Voodoo Lounge tour in the early 90's (my timeline may be off slightly, but it was a LONG time that he wasn't a full member of the Stones).

Yep he went to Jagger/Richards in '94 and asked for membership. Unbelievabley he'd been a virtual hired hand until that point. That should've stopped around Tatoo You.

[strangegrey]

One that, for whatever reason(s), stood on a stage and didn't sing live.

Dude, "whatever reason" was more than likely pressure from at least 2 other members to lip and defraud fans out of hard earned money.

Yeah, let's dispense with the R&D defamation of the guy. Augeri couldn't have done anything in this band without Fucka, Fro and A$$off's express written permission. The accusation of lipping with augeri bears a far more damning cloud over Neal Schon and Jon Friga's head....a fact those two pieces of utter shit conveniently passed on to Augeri.

They forced him to tour his voice to death until it no longer worked, forced him to lip through the tours...and they passed a few tapes to some convenient 'channels' in order to push him out to the junkyard and replace him with the latesrt greatest flavor...one that lasted less than a year.

Makes me wonder what they're going to do when they no longer have an interest in poor arnie. The guy might go home to enjoy a fine filipino delecacy with family and friends, only to discover that his credit card has been canceled and that his US work visa was revoked. LOL. People think JSS got fucked...wait until they screw over arnie boy....LOL. I can't wait. Some people need to get fucked in the ass thrice before getting pissed off....some journey fans that is.

[conversationpc]

They forced him to tour his voice to death until it no longer worked, forced him to lip through the tours...

I like Augeri as much as anyone here, however, no one forced him to do anything. It wouldn't have happened if he hadn't gone along with it. That's not to say he's more to blame than the other guys, though.

[Tito]

...and they passed a few tapes to some convenient 'channels' in order to push him out to the junkyard and replace him with the latesrt greatest flavor...one that lasted less than a year.

I can't believe they leaked that information. That would be way to dangerous to do that. They could've killed their own career with all the lipping controversy.

[strangegrey]

They forced him to tour his voice to death until it no longer worked, forced him to lip through the tours...

I like Augeri as much as anyone here, however, no one forced him to do anything. It wouldn't have happened if he hadn't gone along with it. That's not to say he's more to blame than the other guys, though.

Bullshit....there's a power structure that exists in journey. Augeri was not near it. period. He would have walked, sure. He might have been thrust into a position to defend a breech of contract...something he might not have been in a position to do.

Tell me dave, given your field of work, I *know* you are placed in ethically challenging situations. No matter how extreme, it's very hard, with a wife, a family and a mortgage to simply stand on your principles and walk away without trying to resolve it normally, without creating a legal scenario.

Now put yourself into augeri's shoes....and also remember, that he was *never* in a decission making context in this band. Sorry....too much fault and blame were thrust on this guy for something that Neal, John and ASSoff had full and complete control over.

And ironically, they've come out of the other end of tapegate smelling like roses....

[strangegrey]

...and they passed a few tapes to some convenient 'channels' in order to push him out to the junkyard and replace him with the latesrt greatest flavor...one that lasted less than a year.

I can't believe they leaked that information. That would be way to dangerous to do that. They could've killed their own career with all the lipping controversy.

How on earth do you think they could have killed their career.??? They had a perfect fall guy....Steve A. Foolproof plan, man. You fail to remember that the end game for them, was to push Augeri out on his ass to replace him. That was the goal. Every possible scenario of tapegate ends in that eventuality. It was a foolproof plan.

Also, what, you expect that the "source" of this information had the technical ability to sync up live concerts with dvd audio tracks? You're going to tell me that you actually believe the way tapegate unfolded?

It might be easy to some of us that are musicians and/or audio engineers...but when the only knob someone is proficient at twisting is a twist-off bottle cap, it's very hard to believe.

[Tito]

How on earth do you think they could have killed their career.??? They had a perfect fall guy....Steve A. Foolproof plan, man. You fail to remember that the end game for them, was to push Augeri out on his ass to replace him. That was the goal. Every possible scenario of tapegate ends in that eventuality. It was a foolproof plan.

Also, what, you expect that the "source" of this information had the technical ability to sync up live concerts with dvd audio tracks? You're going to tell me that you actually believe the way tapegate unfolded?

It might be easy to some of us that are musicians and/or audio engineers...but when the only knob someone is proficient at twisting is a twist-off bottle cap, it's very hard to believe.

I will grant you (as I've always said) it was suspicious how tapegate unfolded. I can't remember all the specifics, but didn't it have something to with someone in the production truck?

Anyhowt, that was way too risky for the band to do. That could've blown up in their faces big time. If this would've gone mainstream, it wouldn't have been Steve Augeri was lipping, it would've been Journey lipping. The whole band would've gone down, regardless of who they wanted to throw under the bus. They would've lost control of the situation. A good portion of their fans (not the small faction here) could've lost faith and not return. That would've been damaging. If the sole purpose was to remove Augeri, they had other ways to facilitate his removal. They did not have go this extreme route. They could've just fired him or done the he's hurt his vocals (which was the official statement) and moved on. They could've also forced his retirement or no longer wanting to tour thing.

[conversationpc]

Tell me dave, given your field of work, I *know* you are placed in ethically challenging situations. No matter how extreme, it's very hard, with a wife, a family and a mortgage to simply stand on your principles and walk away without trying to resolve it normally, without creating a legal scenario.

What ethically challenging situations are you talking about? Most of my job is tech support and the other part of it is network administration.