The Revelation Chart/Sales Thread

[Glenn]

Pardon me but isn't this thread supposed to be about sales/chart position??

Its sure is. Now at 61% Journey is at 11th place this time with 32,514. Lets see if it can come up a bit by the time 100% is up!

It won't.

The album is, quite frankly, not as good as some here (including Andrew) claim. After hearing it, nothing really stands out. It suffers from "Backlash" syndrome where all of the songs have a similar sound. The only two songs that are 'radio friendly' are already released, and "Never Walk Away" hasn't done much at all. They have one good song to ride on, "After All These Years", and that steam is already gone.


A tour will not make that much of a difference in sales. RADIO does....and this album is not going to make it on the radio any more then it already has.

Find me another band that was popular in the Late 70's till the mid 80's with one comeback album in the 90's that has sold over 200,000 units in the first 3 weeks with their 4th lead singer in the past 12 years.


226,737 so far (and counting) in the US before the tour even started....

Radio is very important, but so is articles in Time and People Magazine. CBS Sunday Morning and Ellen Probably helped sell a few copies too.

For everything considered and everything that has happened with this band since 96, I'd say this new album is a success.

[Matthew]

what do you mean by "two albums"? Even if you use the trio as the criteria for the Journey sound we're talking about four albums....

ROR was primarily a Perry/Cain CD with emphasis on Perry and TBF departed from the "legacy sound" being discussed.

I think some of the best vocal/lead guitar combinations Perry and Schon ever created were on ROR. No, there wasn't much rhythm guitar on that album but Schon's playing is incredible throughout.

As for TBF departing from the "legacy sound"...I don't quite get what you mean, Jyrnyman28. Is the legacy sound defined just by the upper ranges of Perry's voice?

[Matthew]

Pardon me but isn't this thread supposed to be about sales/chart position??

Its sure is. Now at 61% Journey is at 11th place this time with 32,514. Lets see if it can come up a bit by the time 100% is up!

It won't.

The album is, quite frankly, not as good as some here (including Andrew) claim. After hearing it, nothing really stands out. It suffers from "Backlash" syndrome where all of the songs have a similar sound. The only two songs that are 'radio friendly' are already released, and "Never Walk Away" hasn't done much at all. They have one good song to ride on, "After All These Years", and that steam is already gone.


A tour will not make that much of a difference in sales. RADIO does....and this album is not going to make it on the radio any more then it already has.

Find me another band that was popular in the Late 70's till the mid 80's with one comeback album in the 90's that has sold over 200,000 units in the first 3 weeks with their 4th lead singer in the past 12 years.


226,737 so far (and counting) in the US before the tour even started....

Radio is very important, but so is articles in Time and People Magazine. CBS Sunday Morning and Ellen Probably helped sell a few copies too.

For everything considered and everything that has happened with this band since 96, I'd say this new album is a success.

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

[Matthew]

The only two songs that are 'radio friendly' are already released, and "Never Walk Away" hasn't done much at all. They have one good song to ride on, "After All These Years", and that steam is already gone.


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I'd say Where Did I Lose Your Love is radio-friendly. It reminds me a bit of Separate Ways. Change For The Better and Turn The World Down Tonight are strong contenders too. Possibly Wildest Dream as well- although I don't like that track at all. I wouldn't be surprised if two of those four songs were released to coincide with the summer tour.

[journeypower]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

False Prophecy?

[80s man]

Also - had Journey hired Chalfant you would have been screaming in delight like a little girl on her birthday. Yet Chalfant released a whole ALBUM of Journey covers. So how come he isn't a 'tribute singer'?

In 1995, yes, I was pretty much expecting Chalfant. In 1998, I was hoping they would go with him, but wasn't sure. That was well before any Journey covers album. In 2005-2008, I would never wish this band on Chalfant. That is just ridiculous.

What I find irritating though is old-timers like you who have defended the band milking Perry's legacy dry for nearly a decade and who have now suddenly switched sides with all the self-righteousness of a screaming Loon from the late 1990s.

First of all, it's not "Perry's legacy", it's Journey. I don't remember "Foolish Heart" or "Oh, Sherry" on the covers album, or being performed in concert.

Er, Oh Sherry was definitely done in concert actually.


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[Glenn]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

False Prophecy?

Yes....False Prophets back in biblical times were stoned to death....Since this is the modern era, we'll just tie Monker to a tree and throw copies of Revelation(disc 2) at him till he gives.

[jrnyman28]

As for TBF departing from the "legacy sound"...I don't quite get what you mean, Jyrnyman28. Is the legacy sound defined just by the upper ranges of Perry's voice?

Not to me. But if you notice the style of writing on Revelation, and the sound of the instrumentation, it all harkens back to the 1981-1986 era the most. Especially the synths and piano. It almost seems like the "legacy sound" is (in his mind) Jon Cain. Regardless, this CD has a very 80's sound to it. TBF did not sound like the music Journey made in the 80's. In fact, that is one of TBF's strengths (although I do not particularly care for the CD).

[Monker]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

That is NOT what I said.

[Monker]

The only two songs that are 'radio friendly' are already released, and "Never Walk Away" hasn't done much at all. They have one good song to ride on, "After All These Years", and that steam is already gone.


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I'd say Where Did I Lose Your Love is radio-friendly. It reminds me a bit of Separate Ways. Change For The Better and Turn The World Down Tonight are strong contenders too. Possibly Wildest Dream as well- although I don't like that track at all. I wouldn't be surprised if two of those four songs were released to coincide with the summer tour.

They'll probably try. But, none of it will go anywhere. It is having the the same fate as Arrival and even TBF. That is the trend that is happening with this CD...a small amount of airplay and then nothing.

[Monker]

Also - had Journey hired Chalfant you would have been screaming in delight like a little girl on her birthday. Yet Chalfant released a whole ALBUM of Journey covers. So how come he isn't a 'tribute singer'?

In 1995, yes, I was pretty much expecting Chalfant. In 1998, I was hoping they would go with him, but wasn't sure. That was well before any Journey covers album. In 2005-2008, I would never wish this band on Chalfant. That is just ridiculous.

What I find irritating though is old-timers like you who have defended the band milking Perry's legacy dry for nearly a decade and who have now suddenly switched sides with all the self-righteousness of a screaming Loon from the late 1990s.

First of all, it's not "Perry's legacy", it's Journey. I don't remember "Foolish Heart" or "Oh, Sherry" on the covers album, or being performed in concert.

Er, Oh Sherry was definitely done in concert actually.


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Keep the argument in context. If Journey is performing Street Talk songs, then, yes, they are living of Perry's legacy.

If they were living off of Perry's legacy in 1985 by performing his solo songs in concert, then they were also living off of Neal's by peforming Schon & Hammer, and Jonathan's in 1981 by performing "Stick To Your Guns", or whatever that was.

[Monker]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

False Prophecy?

Yes....False Prophets back in biblical times were stoned to death....Since this is the modern era, we'll just tie Monker to a tree and throw copies of Revelation(disc 2) at him till he gives.

Well, there ya go. That's why it sold so much. Bush bought them up to use them as a new anti-terror weapons.

[Monker]

Not to me. But if you notice the style of writing on Revelation, and the sound of the instrumentation, it all harkens back to the 1981-1986 era the most. Especially the synths and piano. It almost seems like the "legacy sound" is (in his mind) Jon Cain. Regardless, this CD has a very 80's sound to it.

Exactly....and that's why I think radio will ignore it and the "success" is now on the downswing.

[Monker]

The album is, quite frankly, better than you claim. After hearing it, "Never Walk Away", "Change for the Better", and "Where Did I Lose Your Love" really stand out.

I didn't claim it was "bad". I claim some of the vocal recording on the remasters absolutely sucks...just as it did on Generations.

It's not a 'bad' album...just very average sounding...very much like Generations.

A tour will not make that much of a difference in sales. RADIO does....and this album is not going to make it on the radio any more then it already has.

Did you think it would even go gold? It looks like it will.[/quote]

No...but did you think it would drop like a rock after seeing the week 1 sales? Looks like it will.

[donnaplease]

I don’t think they tried to create that illusion with Arnel. They haven’t shied away from Arnel as their new singer.

That's only because they feel like they can capitalize on Arnel's so-called Cinderella story. If Arnel were Joe Blow from downtown BFE, America, they would've used the smoke & mirrors campaign once again, IMHO.

[Monker]

I don’t think they tried to create that illusion with Arnel. They haven’t shied away from Arnel as their new singer.

That's only because they feel like they can capitalize on Arnel's so-called Cinderella story. If Arnel were Joe Blow from downtown BFE, America, they would've used the smoke & mirrors campaign once again, IMHO.

So, you are saying they didn't prop up Augeri's 'Cinderella story' of working at the GAP and getting a call from Neal? They didn't shy away from Augeri as their singer...especialy during and before Arrival. They did EXACTLY the same thing.

[stevew2]

I don’t think they tried to create that illusion with Arnel. They haven’t shied away from Arnel as their new singer.

That's only because they feel like they can capitalize on Arnel's so-called Cinderella story. If Arnel were Joe Blow from downtown BFE, America, they would've used the smoke & mirrors campaign once again, IMHO.

So, you are saying they didn't prop up Augeri's 'Cinderella story' of working at the GAP and getting a call from Neal? They didn't shy away from Augeri as their singer...especialy during and before Arrival. They did EXACTLY the same thing.

Workin at the gap and begging for food is a big difference. They took a hard luck story with a guy from a 3 rd world country and used it to there advantage. Although he has be playing in clubs for 20 plus years. BIG difference. To top it off Neal takes credit on finding him on You Tube. Total bullshit,as always I smell stinky dick

[Matthew]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

That is NOT what I said.

This is what you said:


"I'll say it sells 30,000 units, and barely enters the top 100, and is off the charts the following week...People, it's 2008, not 1983."

[conversationpc]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

That is NOT what I said.

This is what you said:


"I'll say it sells 30,000 units, and barely enters the top 100, and is off the charts the following week...People, it's 2008, not 1983."

No...but did you think it would drop like a rock after seeing the week 1 sales? Looks like it will.

Week two's sales were not that terribly far off week 1. Disturbed's new album dropped far further during it's second week and they were supposed to be a far more popular band currently than is Journey.

[journeypower]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

That is NOT what I said.

This is what you said:


"I'll say it sells 30,000 units, and barely enters the top 100, and is off the charts the following week...People, it's 2008, not 1983."

Whoops ! somebody got caught red-handed. any further stipulations to back upthis statement?

"hey guys, I took this candybar out of the store without paying. I ain't stealing coz nobody's lookin."

[Glenn]

No...but did you think it would drop like a rock after seeing the week 1 sales? Looks like it will.

this is a bit right? bringing funny to the forums...has to be.... you are making comments that make you look like an ass, and provide us the chance with coming up with comical reply's with wit and wisdom that make you look like an ass.

now, i'm not judging you as a person....you may be a swell guy and all, but your posts are making it too easy for everyone.

[Glenn]

I don’t think they tried to create that illusion with Arnel. They haven’t shied away from Arnel as their new singer.

That's only because they feel like they can capitalize on Arnel's so-called Cinderella story. If Arnel were Joe Blow from downtown BFE, America, they would've used the smoke & mirrors campaign once again, IMHO.

So called? I'm not saying it's the Cinderella story of the year, but it has enough elements in it for the term "Cinderella Story" to be used.

[ttango1]

Monker's prediction last month was that Revelation wouldn't chart because it isn't 1983 anymore. So let's see if he has better luck in July....

That is NOT what I said.

This is what you said:


"I'll say it sells 30,000 units, and barely enters the top 100, and is off the charts the following week...People, it's 2008, not 1983."

I say Monker...you're about say...200,000 units off give or take. Nice MOOOVE.