What exactly is the story of the Frontiers album artwork?

[Art Vandelay]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

[Rick]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

[Glenn]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

[Glenn]

This is pretty cool too!

[Rick]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Yep, I have no idea why Perry didn't prefer the flying scarab album art to the stuff they ended up using.

[Matthew]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Yep, I have no idea why Perry didn't prefer the flying scarab album art to the stuff they ended up using.

Because the flying scarab concept looked horribly dated in the mid-80s. They wanted something contemporary...

[Rick]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Yep, I have no idea why Perry didn't prefer the flying scarab album art to the stuff they ended up using.

Because the flying scarab concept looked horribly dated in the mid-80s. They wanted something contemporary...

There's every way possible to update the scarab to look contemporary. Maybe they tried and didn't like it? Who knows? But as HH said, you didn't even have to put Journey on the cover to know whose album it was. A shame they couldn't have kept something from the traditional cover.

[Matthew]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Yep, I have no idea why Perry didn't prefer the flying scarab album art to the stuff they ended up using.

Because the flying scarab concept looked horribly dated in the mid-80s. They wanted something contemporary...

There's every way possible to update the scarab to look contemporary. Maybe they tried and didn't like it? Who knows? But as HH said, you didn't even have to put Journey on the cover to know whose album it was. A shame they couldn't have kept something from the traditional cover.

But Rick...at the time....that flying scarab stuff had such strong associations of the 1970s...a kind of hangover from San Francisco's hippie days...which in the mid-80s was the last thing anyone wanted. Also - an updated version might well have steered Journey into a kind of garish, metal band look...which Escape wasn't far off from being....and which that Fredom cover above isn't far off from being either.

Also - 7.5 million people didn't need some Grateful Dead knock-off cover to tell them that Frontiers was a Journey album. It said Journey on the cover and was stocked in the Journey section. No problem. I never understood HH's point about that....

Plus - like it or not - Prairie Prince's ROR was perfect for that album. It didn't look like a record that only a 16 year old would like which suited the 'adult contemporary' vibe of the record. It had just enough of a rock edge with the bolts of electricity. Plus it conjured up a nostalgic feeling about radio...which in 1986 seemed to be a thing of the past.

It's amazing to me how resistant to change most Journey fans are. They want the same album cover with the same kind of songs and the same setlists... year after year. No wonder Perry got fed up with us all.

[weatherman90]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Was that actually designed in 1986?? It looks way too modern for that to be possible.

[Glenn]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Yep, I have no idea why Perry didn't prefer the flying scarab album art to the stuff they ended up using.

Because the flying scarab concept looked horribly dated in the mid-80s. They wanted something contemporary...

And now...here in 2008...which do you think is better?

[RisingForce73]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Was that actually designed in 1986?? It looks way too modern for that to be possible.

Agreed. Looks completely computer-generated.

[Rick]

I do recall once seeing artwork on some Storm-related web page (I'm thinking either Kevin Chalfant on Ron Wikso's home page). Can't find it now.

Whoever the page belonged to, they said that Ross Valory had the artwork and passed it on to them. It was supposed to be artwork for a Journey album. It actually resembled the Revelation artwork, but with more sky blue.

Perhaps this was it? Or maybe that was for the Freedom album that eventually became ROR?

Hope this helps.

I just found it. It's on Ross Valory's web page, and it was the artwork for the Freedom album.

http://www.rossvalory.com/Freedom-Poste ... 00006.html

I think Freedom would have been ROR. Very cool looking though.

So much better than ROR ..... Damn!!!!!

Was that actually designed in 1986?? It looks way too modern for that to be possible.

Agreed. Looks completely computer-generated.

I could be a computer generated update of the original.

[Matthew]

And now...here in 2008...which do you think is better?

The scarab looks much better now than it did to me in the 1980s. I still think ROR is the greatest cover Journey ever had...so much so I'm annoyed I didn't buy the 3D version of the JRNY radio station from Backstage Auctions a while back....but the Frontiers one looks very dated now, doesn't it?

[Art Vandelay]

This is pretty cool too!

This image is ok, but it's all mid-level Photoshop work. A friend of mine does this type of work for a local disc-making plant. They crank this kind of stuff out daily. It doesn't have the personal touch and love that the other Journey artwork has.

Personally, I agree with Matthew...the ROR artwork was appropriate.

[jrnyfan@nc.rr.com]

In regards to the Freedom cover, I can't imagine if this were the real "legit" artwork that they would have repeated that Departure-looking rainbow title thing.

[escapefan]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

[Art Vandelay]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

Art Direction & Design - Nancy Donald and David Coleman
Illustration - Steven Adler

[finalfight]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

Pre-school children.

[finalfight]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

Illustration - Steven Adler

The drugged up former Guns 'n Roses drummer? That would explain a lot.

[Art Vandelay]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

Illustration - Steven Adler

The drugged up former Guns 'n Roses drummer? That would explain a lot.

Different Steven Adler. While the illustration was out of the ordinary for a Journey cover, the guy is a kick-ass illustrator. I always thought the cover concept was cool. Yes, it was a change, and change doesn't always sit well with some. But being a seasoned art director myself, I appreciate the talent and style. .

http://web.showcase.com/personalshowcase.asp?id=55663

[finalfight]

So who did the cover of Trial by Fire?

Illustration - Steven Adler

The drugged up former Guns 'n Roses drummer? That would explain a lot.

Different Steven Adler. While the illustration was out of the ordinary for a Journey cover, the guy is a kick-ass illustrator. I always thought the cover concept was cool. Yes, it was a change, and change doesn't always sit well with some. But being a seasoned art director myself, I appreciate the talent and style. .

http://web.showcase.com/personalshowcase.asp?id=55663

Its hideous as is all of the work displayed on the above link. However I did find some better pieces by following the link a little further and fair play to anyone who can make a living as a professional artist. It can be a tough gig.

http://web.showcase.com/viewlarge.asp?r ... =96&m2=995