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Postby Greg » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:47 pm

journeypower wrote:


it would had been better if he/she further reiterated that it was just his/her personal opinion/feelings and not facts of the matter whatsoever.


Why? It's concert review. It's supposed to be assumed it's the writer's personal opinion. That is what 99% of reviews are made of.


journeypower wrote:Fans were actually sitting during the encore, leaving this writer to think that Journey had broken several of those rock band rules: They ended with a ballad, they didn't save their hits for the end and they apparently don't know when to call it quits

I can't make something logical out of this statement but pure opinion.


He's basically saying most rock bands usually end their concerts on a high note with playing a rocker to send the fans off. I've attended many different rock concerts in my time, and this tends to be true from my experience. Journey is one of those few bands that like to send their fans off with a ballad. Probably one of the few bands that can get away with doing so. In regards to playing all of their hits early, well Journey has been known to play mostly just the dirty dozen, so it's possible the guy just didn't know THAT many Journey songs to begin with. That, again, is a matter of opinion. You have to keep in mind that this is written from a fan of the music and not so much a fan of Journey exclusively.



journeypower wrote:"a 100 people didn't like the concert coz that's how I felt when I was there". this would had been valid if most people would back this up. absence of such support would determine it's invalidity.


I suppose he could've conducted interviews at the end of the concert, but again, reviews are mostly opinions. It's was just the guy's observation. There's not many rock concerts, Journey included, that I've been to where people sat at any moment.



journeypower wrote:again, opinions are ok but make sure that you state them clearly and leave the facts out of it if you're not going to do some further research. if not, prepare yourself to a lot of complaints. that's how it is.


This is kind of unclear to me. You didn't want him posting a review unless he had more facts to back up what his opinions were, but at the same time you'd rather him leave the facts out of it? :lol:
Not picking on ya, I'm just saying. A lot of concert reviews I've heard have come from Journey faithful, so it's nice to start hearing reviews from casual fans or fans of other bands to clear the palate. Regardless if they are positive or negative.
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Postby WIX » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:53 pm

it maybe would be more credible if she had all her ducks, instead of just starting with one duck, and then sinking all the ducks in between to get to the last duck.

Bert and Ernie would be pissed, because we know they are awefully fond of you, you, boopy doo.............................
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:55 pm

WIX wrote:it maybe would be more credible if she had all her ducks, instead of just starting with one duck, and then sinking all the ducks in between to get to the last duck.

Bert and Ernie would be pissed, because we know they are awefully fond of you, you, boopy doo.............................


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Postby WIX » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:56 pm

Rhiannon wrote:
WIX wrote:it maybe would be more credible if she had all her ducks, instead of just starting with one duck, and then sinking all the ducks in between to get to the last duck.

Bert and Ernie would be pissed, because we know they are awefully fond of you, you, boopy doo.............................


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GENERATION GAP,

Sesame street quote, sorry your the teletubby age bwahahahahahahahaha :P
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:58 pm

WIX wrote:GENERATION GAP,

Sesame street quote, sorry your the teletubby age bwahahahahahahahaha :P


Ohhh... eff you right in the earhole... I was talking about the duck portion of your comment.
I was in middle school when Teletubbies were popular, bite me. :P :lol:
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Postby WIX » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:03 am

Rhiannon wrote:
WIX wrote:GENERATION GAP,

Sesame street quote, sorry your the teletubby age bwahahahahahahahaha :P


Ohhh... eff you right in the earhole... I was talking about the duck portion of your comment.
I was in middle school when Teletubbies were popular, bite me. :P :lol:


rubby ducky, your the one,you make bath time loads of fun, rubber ducky I am awefully fond of you, you , boopy doo.

she missed half of what happened, apparently Perry was replaced by Arnel.................

Okay okay, so your a power ranger kid !!!! 8)

that in the ear thing sounds interesting?
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:09 am

WIX wrote:rubby ducky, your the one,you make bath time loads of fun, rubber ducky I am awefully fond of you, you , boopy doo.


*Squeak, squeak!*

she missed half of what happened, apparently Perry was replaced by Arnel.................


He was? Did anyone think to tell Perry? :shock: :P

Okay okay, so your a power ranger kid !!!! 8)


NOW you're talking. I had the biggest crush on the red ranger man... and then the white ranger, too. Somehow now that seems weird for a nine year old to be so infatuated with 17 and 18 year olds... hmm. There's a meaning in there somewhere.

that in the ear thing sounds interesting?


You can still hear stuff with it in your ear? :wink:
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Postby journeypower » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:23 am

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journeypower wrote:again, opinions are ok but make sure that you state them clearly and leave the facts out of it if you're not going to do some further research. if not, prepare yourself to a lot of complaints. that's how it is.


This is kind of unclear to me. You didn't want him posting a review unless he had more facts to back up what his opinions were, but at the same time you'd rather him leave the facts out of it? :lol:
Not picking on ya, I'm just saying. A lot of concert reviews I've heard have come from Journey faithful, so it's nice to start hearing reviews from casual fans or fans of other bands to clear the palate. Regardless if they are positive or negative.


I'm cool with this Greg. what I'm saying is that for him/her to leave things that are there and separate his opinions from it. the lowest part of his/her article is when he/she tried to validate his/her opinion on facts that weren't for him to use as an alibi such as assuming or drawing conclusions on the crowd's behaviour without further analysis. journalism follows several steps. it is not as simple as, I see then assume and draw a conclusion from what I see kind of thing. you can't say a person is drunk just because you saw him drank beer. the closing paragraph was really a downer. it showed the writer's lack of research and lack of strong justification.

*in short, the writer's article has a weakness. :wink:
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Postby journeypower » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:24 am

WIX wrote:it maybe would be more credible if she had all her ducks, instead of just starting with one duck, and then sinking all the ducks in between to get to the last duck.

Bert and Ernie would be pissed, because we know they are awefully fond of you, you, boopy doo.............................



I believe you got the idea !
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Postby mistiejourney » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:02 am

Rhiannon wrote:
WIX wrote:GENERATION GAP,

Sesame street quote, sorry your the teletubby age bwahahahahahahahaha :P


Ohhh... eff you right in the earhole... I was talking about the duck portion of your comment.
I was in middle school when Teletubbies were popular, bite me. :P :lol:


I had kids too old to watch the Teletubbies!

I am so old I have the entire Journey catalog on vinyl.

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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:06 am

mistiejourney wrote:I am so old I have the entire Journey catalog on vinyl.

:D


As do I. It's actually a family heirloom now. One day I'll have a daughter who will be trained in the ways of the Beak and come to know the fabled story of our beloved band, and receive these records, just as I did from my mother. :lol: :P
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:08 am

Are you guys conveniently excluding the first three albums or do you actually have those on vinyl too?
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby mdaemon » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:38 am

Tomulator wrote:
ttango1 wrote:There is a noted photographer and journalist named Jacob Riis who rose to fame during the "muckraker" era of the late 1800's to the early 1900's. Why am I starting a review of the San Diego concert of Journey with a shout out to Riis?

It's because of this quote that Riis is well noted for,“When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.”

It's funny. Fans that really know Journey have heard the phrase, "Don't crack the stone." from both Steve Perry and Neal Schon. When heard, for whatever reason, it has a negative connotation but when that statement is compared to Riis' statement, One can surmise that"Cracking the stone" is a metaphor for success.

AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BAND HAS DONE. They've shaped themselves into a incarnation of "Journey" that can pay homage to the past but "look into the future" with great expectations.



It took forever for the crew to change sets from Heart to Journey. Both Heart and Cheap Trick played many of their staples and Heart's covers of Love Reign O'er Me (The Who) and Going To California (Led Zeppelin) were old-school crowd pleasers.

Like the Joker says in Batman, Dark Knight...HERE WE GO!

The guys came out at 9:30 PM PST.

Here is the setlist for Journey:
Majestic

Never Walk Away-It's great that they start off the vocals with a song from Revelation, it sets the tone that something new is about to make a proclamation that we're about to rock. http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5pXdm18o-Q&feature=related

Only the Young

Neal Solo-Amazing Grace

Stone in Love-Yes, I'm biased but Arnel now simply kills this song. He's come a long way since that 1st nervous show at Vina del Mar. http://youtube.com/watch?v=TCjEbYl-D2U&feature=related

Ask The Lonely-Finally Jon gets to tickle the keys, that was 5 straight songs that Jon played rhythm guitar. Is that a record?

After All These Years

Seperate Ways-Old school guys behind me are telling me now that this kid(Arnel) wails and wonder why it's only now that they're back to selling out venues. Their opinion is that Journey is better than ever. Again, I'm biased but I agree. http://youtube.com/watch?v=noO1ZVh4xIs&feature=related


Change For The Better http://youtube.com/watch?v=koXJ6qLwm8Y&feature=related

Send Her My Love-You know the Denver vid where Neal's signature guitar is missing, while it was an interesting change, with his guitar playing...this song was really a crowd favorite.

Lights-Here Arnel talks about his "New" Hometown-San Francisco. You see a nice video montage of what the peeps there call,"The City."

Jon Intro Solo but this one is more jazzy in it's composition.

Open Arms Check the link, you can hear the crowd singin' in the background. http://youtube.com/watch?v=gaKxrzutdqs

Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'

Don't Stop Believin' http://youtube.com/watch?v=YVvzNrWC6wU
This is what was on the screen after the song:
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Wildest Dreams

Jon on Harmonica & Neal Jam Solo

Wheel In The Sky http://youtube.com/watch?v=AASgLWL7fiI&feature=related


Any Way You Want It

Encores

Escape
Faithfully(Arnel here at the beginning, tells the crowd that he received a text from home in Olongapo that "Amy" is fighting bone cancer and has been told that she has only 24 hours to live, he tells the crowd that this song is for her and to keep fighting the good fight.)

END OF CONCERT save the long slow crawl out of the parking lots-

So what's one to say after witnessing such an event? How about...IT WAS AWESOME. The guys simply brought it, they came out and rocked the house with their fervent energy and new found passion.

There was a proportinate mix of Journey fans both old and new. Many sporting their Ol' Skool' ESCAPE Tees and many new fans buying the $35 Revelation Tour shirt(It's not a bad looking shirt but where are the images of the guys we so appreciate?) The CD set was being sold there as well for $15.

Let's talk concert. I found it to be better than the Vegas show in March. Deen and Neal were standouts with their play, while Jon and Ross did their part to keep things flowing. They didn't really go that far out of their comfort zones and they just let Arnel wail. That dude, man, he hit all the key changes and high, high notes. My only complaint is that the guy runs around so much. It could help him a little later when his voice needs some focus, to conserve at times and then explode when needed. But so far, it seems as if explosion is his sole choice, and the crowd showed their appreciation with their loud and steady applause. The girls were dancing everywhere looking like they were loving every second of it. The guys were heard in the background singing an ocatave or 2 lower or off-key but hey, it's Journey right? It's All Good.

Yeah Arnel looked funny in Yellow Pants and what I think was a Dark Navy muscle shirt.(Charger Reference, this is San Diego right?) But it made it easy to see him wherever he goes and like I said, he goes everywhere.

Whoever said that Neal looks like James Caan from the 70's, well I tend to agree. Here is a pic of Mr. Caan from that 70's era: Image

Take a look at any Neal Photo now :)
While the resemblance is there, Mr. Caan would kneel to Neal in appreciation of the genius of his fingers on guitar.

On this San Diego night, Arnel sang lead the whole way. I did miss Deen singing either After The Fall or Mother Father.For me, when I was at the Planet Hollywood in March, those 2 songs were definite highlights of that particular show. Not hearing Deen's leads was slightly dissapointing but Arnel showed us all why he is a force with his voice. Deen's background vocals are readily heard and integral to bringing that legacy sound to fruition and he sang and drummed with so much passion, you could see and hear it. If one tried to filter out crowd noise, you could hear the background highs of DSB loud and clear when Arnel stops to say sing with me or come on(truthfully, he didn't say it so much to irk you like he did when in Chile').

Jon and Ross played a solid performance. Their contributions were heard and while not as glamorous, just as important and they played well enough. Jon did have his requisite solo and did a jam with Neal on the harmonica, for that I can say Mr. Cain, is a talented dude.

The venue is cool enough, the lawn view was much different than the one I had at PH. 12 row center, close enough to get on the DVD. On this day, in order to see the ants on the stage, I had to use the screens. Sucky thing is only center stage and stage left screens were working. Stage Right was killed after the Heart set because it wasn't bright enough to show practically anything. I also hate that we pay good money to watch the band, so why is the mix on the center vid-screen practically 50% the guys, and 50% Windows Screen Saver?

Well, I guess that's it. I admit that I'm a little rambly and incoherent when I write, my wife bugs me about it at times but I just write what I feel. And what I feel mostly is this, for those who haven't yet seen this Journey...Come in knowing that SP isn't singing and then be prepared for a great show. AP is now at the helm of the flying scarab and if you just listen, you'll go away with a huge, huge smile at the end of a beautiful night.



Do you not have ears????!

Listen to Stone In Love again and tell me he "kills" it.

No way. He is struggling mightly to hit the high notes...really bad.

Sorry.

:!:


I don't know if you have already seen Pineda live but I have; and I have seen the youtube vids after. I am telling you dude, there is no way the youtube sound quality (or the lack of it) can justify the power of his voice. I think it is unfair to judge him based on crap quality youtube video taken from a mobile phone or a camcorder.
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby Deb » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:47 am

ttango1 wrote:
Whoever said that Neal looks like James Caan from the 70's, well I tend to agree. Here is a pic of Mr. Caan from that 70's era:

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Never thought about that before, but holy crap does he ever! :shock:
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby journeypower » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:49 am

mdaemon wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
ttango1 wrote:There is a noted photographer and journalist named Jacob Riis who rose to fame during the "muckraker" era of the late 1800's to the early 1900's. Why am I starting a review of the San Diego concert of Journey with a shout out to Riis?

It's because of this quote that Riis is well noted for,“When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.”

It's funny. Fans that really know Journey have heard the phrase, "Don't crack the stone." from both Steve Perry and Neal Schon. When heard, for whatever reason, it has a negative connotation but when that statement is compared to Riis' statement, One can surmise that"Cracking the stone" is a metaphor for success.

AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BAND HAS DONE. They've shaped themselves into a incarnation of "Journey" that can pay homage to the past but "look into the future" with great expectations.



It took forever for the crew to change sets from Heart to Journey. Both Heart and Cheap Trick played many of their staples and Heart's covers of Love Reign O'er Me (The Who) and Going To California (Led Zeppelin) were old-school crowd pleasers.

Like the Joker says in Batman, Dark Knight...HERE WE GO!

The guys came out at 9:30 PM PST.

Here is the setlist for Journey:
Majestic

Never Walk Away-It's great that they start off the vocals with a song from Revelation, it sets the tone that something new is about to make a proclamation that we're about to rock. http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5pXdm18o-Q&feature=related

Only the Young

Neal Solo-Amazing Grace

Stone in Love-Yes, I'm biased but Arnel now simply kills this song. He's come a long way since that 1st nervous show at Vina del Mar. http://youtube.com/watch?v=TCjEbYl-D2U&feature=related

Ask The Lonely-Finally Jon gets to tickle the keys, that was 5 straight songs that Jon played rhythm guitar. Is that a record?

After All These Years

Seperate Ways-Old school guys behind me are telling me now that this kid(Arnel) wails and wonder why it's only now that they're back to selling out venues. Their opinion is that Journey is better than ever. Again, I'm biased but I agree. http://youtube.com/watch?v=noO1ZVh4xIs&feature=related


Change For The Better http://youtube.com/watch?v=koXJ6qLwm8Y&feature=related

Send Her My Love-You know the Denver vid where Neal's signature guitar is missing, while it was an interesting change, with his guitar playing...this song was really a crowd favorite.

Lights-Here Arnel talks about his "New" Hometown-San Francisco. You see a nice video montage of what the peeps there call,"The City."

Jon Intro Solo but this one is more jazzy in it's composition.

Open Arms Check the link, you can hear the crowd singin' in the background. http://youtube.com/watch?v=gaKxrzutdqs

Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'

Don't Stop Believin' http://youtube.com/watch?v=YVvzNrWC6wU
This is what was on the screen after the song:
Image

Wildest Dreams

Jon on Harmonica & Neal Jam Solo

Wheel In The Sky http://youtube.com/watch?v=AASgLWL7fiI&feature=related


Any Way You Want It

Encores

Escape
Faithfully(Arnel here at the beginning, tells the crowd that he received a text from home in Olongapo that "Amy" is fighting bone cancer and has been told that she has only 24 hours to live, he tells the crowd that this song is for her and to keep fighting the good fight.)

END OF CONCERT save the long slow crawl out of the parking lots-

So what's one to say after witnessing such an event? How about...IT WAS AWESOME. The guys simply brought it, they came out and rocked the house with their fervent energy and new found passion.

There was a proportinate mix of Journey fans both old and new. Many sporting their Ol' Skool' ESCAPE Tees and many new fans buying the $35 Revelation Tour shirt(It's not a bad looking shirt but where are the images of the guys we so appreciate?) The CD set was being sold there as well for $15.

Let's talk concert. I found it to be better than the Vegas show in March. Deen and Neal were standouts with their play, while Jon and Ross did their part to keep things flowing. They didn't really go that far out of their comfort zones and they just let Arnel wail. That dude, man, he hit all the key changes and high, high notes. My only complaint is that the guy runs around so much. It could help him a little later when his voice needs some focus, to conserve at times and then explode when needed. But so far, it seems as if explosion is his sole choice, and the crowd showed their appreciation with their loud and steady applause. The girls were dancing everywhere looking like they were loving every second of it. The guys were heard in the background singing an ocatave or 2 lower or off-key but hey, it's Journey right? It's All Good.

Yeah Arnel looked funny in Yellow Pants and what I think was a Dark Navy muscle shirt.(Charger Reference, this is San Diego right?) But it made it easy to see him wherever he goes and like I said, he goes everywhere.

Whoever said that Neal looks like James Caan from the 70's, well I tend to agree. Here is a pic of Mr. Caan from that 70's era: Image

Take a look at any Neal Photo now :)
While the resemblance is there, Mr. Caan would kneel to Neal in appreciation of the genius of his fingers on guitar.

On this San Diego night, Arnel sang lead the whole way. I did miss Deen singing either After The Fall or Mother Father.For me, when I was at the Planet Hollywood in March, those 2 songs were definite highlights of that particular show. Not hearing Deen's leads was slightly dissapointing but Arnel showed us all why he is a force with his voice. Deen's background vocals are readily heard and integral to bringing that legacy sound to fruition and he sang and drummed with so much passion, you could see and hear it. If one tried to filter out crowd noise, you could hear the background highs of DSB loud and clear when Arnel stops to say sing with me or come on(truthfully, he didn't say it so much to irk you like he did when in Chile').

Jon and Ross played a solid performance. Their contributions were heard and while not as glamorous, just as important and they played well enough. Jon did have his requisite solo and did a jam with Neal on the harmonica, for that I can say Mr. Cain, is a talented dude.

The venue is cool enough, the lawn view was much different than the one I had at PH. 12 row center, close enough to get on the DVD. On this day, in order to see the ants on the stage, I had to use the screens. Sucky thing is only center stage and stage left screens were working. Stage Right was killed after the Heart set because it wasn't bright enough to show practically anything. I also hate that we pay good money to watch the band, so why is the mix on the center vid-screen practically 50% the guys, and 50% Windows Screen Saver?

Well, I guess that's it. I admit that I'm a little rambly and incoherent when I write, my wife bugs me about it at times but I just write what I feel. And what I feel mostly is this, for those who haven't yet seen this Journey...Come in knowing that SP isn't singing and then be prepared for a great show. AP is now at the helm of the flying scarab and if you just listen, you'll go away with a huge, huge smile at the end of a beautiful night.



Do you not have ears????!

Listen to Stone In Love again and tell me he "kills" it.

No way. He is struggling mightly to hit the high notes...really bad.

Sorry.

:!:


I don't know if you have already seen Pineda live but I have; and I have seen the youtube vids after. I am telling you dude, there is no way the youtube sound quality (or the lack of it) can justify the power of his voice. I think it is unfair to judge him based on crap quality youtube video taken from a mobile phone or a camcorder.


doubting Thomas must see AP's tonsils up close! :lol:
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Postby Deb » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:50 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:Are you guys conveniently excluding the first three albums ?


Yep! Sorry proggie, gotta have vocals, damnit, I need vocals! :lol:
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Postby Greg » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:00 am

journeypower wrote:
Greg wrote:


journeypower wrote:again, opinions are ok but make sure that you state them clearly and leave the facts out of it if you're not going to do some further research. if not, prepare yourself to a lot of complaints. that's how it is.


This is kind of unclear to me. You didn't want him posting a review unless he had more facts to back up what his opinions were, but at the same time you'd rather him leave the facts out of it? :lol:
Not picking on ya, I'm just saying. A lot of concert reviews I've heard have come from Journey faithful, so it's nice to start hearing reviews from casual fans or fans of other bands to clear the palate. Regardless if they are positive or negative.


I'm cool with this Greg. what I'm saying is that for him/her to leave things that are there and separate his opinions from it. the lowest part of his/her article is when he/she tried to validate his/her opinion on facts that weren't for him to use as an alibi such as assuming or drawing conclusions on the crowd's behaviour without further analysis. journalism follows several steps. it is not as simple as, I see then assume and draw a conclusion from what I see kind of thing. you can't say a person is drunk just because you saw him drank beer. the closing paragraph was really a downer. it showed the writer's lack of research and lack of strong justification.

*in short, the writer's article has a weakness. :wink:


Yeah, it definitely lost some crediblity when it said Arnel Pineda has replaced Steve Perry as lead vocalist and that Steve Smith was fired in 1996, which was not true also.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:09 am

Deb wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:Are you guys conveniently excluding the first three albums ?


Yep! Sorry proggie, gotta have vocals, damnit, I need vocals! :lol:


Gregg Rolie's vocals on the first three albums, especially the self-titled debut, are STELLAR in some spots...

Not quite the heavenly tenor so many on here love, but very emotive and soothing in its own right.
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Postby WIX » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:09 am

Rhiannon wrote:
WIX wrote:rubby ducky, your the one,you make bath time loads of fun, rubber ducky I am awefully fond of you, you , boopy doo.


*Squeak, squeak!*

she missed half of what happened, apparently Perry was replaced by Arnel.................


He was? Did anyone think to tell Perry? :shock: :P

Okay okay, so your a power ranger kid !!!! 8)


NOW you're talking. I had the biggest crush on the red ranger man... and then the white ranger, too. Somehow now that seems weird for a nine year old to be so infatuated with 17 and 18 year olds... hmm. There's a meaning in there somewhere.

that in the ear thing sounds interesting?


You can still hear stuff with it in your ear? :wink:



the meaning is you like older men that wear KmART Spandex.

you tried the ear thing????? :wink:
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Postby donnaplease » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:46 am

finalfight wrote:Hardly an objective over view of Journey either. It skipped over 10 years of the band's history to make a bad point. The band is doing very well at the moment thank you very much Mr or Mrs 'reviewer'.


Gee, it seems that the Journey organization themselves have done this on more than one occasion... Why is it that it's only now a problem? :?

Maybe Jimmy Scott Soto could give us his opinion...
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:50 am

donnaplease wrote:
finalfight wrote:Hardly an objective over view of Journey either. It skipped over 10 years of the band's history to make a bad point. The band is doing very well at the moment thank you very much Mr or Mrs 'reviewer'.


Gee, it seems that the Journey organization themselves have done this on more than one occasion... Why is it that it's only now a problem? :?

Maybe Jimmy Scott Soto could give us his opinion...


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Unbelievable. If you're going to write a review, at least get the names right.
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby donnaplease » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:01 am

Since 78 wrote:
That is better.However, one problem that others have pointed out is that he runs around to much and I think he sounds winded at times which effects his vocals.


I have thought from the beginning that Arnel didn't have the stage presence to pull this off. I based my opinions on the YTs of him standing on a stage with a music stand in front of him, and/or not looking at or engaging the fans in front of him. Obviously, he is no longer doing that. He is very animated, for sure. While I agree that Arnel has an incredible voice, I still can't get past his stage presence. The running and jumping and kicking looks forced and unnatural to me. The movement needs to match the mood of the song. Someone mentioned the hair flipping and mic tossing that JSS does. IMO, that works for him, because as he's doing it, it is SO obvious that he FEELS the music and it's a part of the performance. Like him or not in Journey, he's got "it" when it comes to stage presence.

Of course, with regard to Steve Perry, the stage presence is a given. I'm not sure many people would question that, because he OWNS the songs of his era. They are just a part of him. Friga said it himself in the BTM.

I know, I know... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't with me (you don't need to lecture me again, Rick :P ). I acknowlege Arnel's vocal ability. He does a great job covering these songs. Now that I think of it, perhaps that's one of the reasons I loved JSS in this band. There really was no comparing him to the 'voice'. He made no attempts to really try to mimic SP. Even if you closed your eyes, you still knew it was someone other than Steve Perry on the stage.
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby Rick » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:37 am

donnaplease wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
That is better.However, one problem that others have pointed out is that he runs around to much and I think he sounds winded at times which effects his vocals.


I have thought from the beginning that Arnel didn't have the stage presence to pull this off. I based my opinions on the YTs of him standing on a stage with a music stand in front of him, and/or not looking at or engaging the fans in front of him. Obviously, he is no longer doing that. He is very animated, for sure. While I agree that Arnel has an incredible voice, I still can't get past his stage presence. The running and jumping and kicking looks forced and unnatural to me. The movement needs to match the mood of the song. Someone mentioned the hair flipping and mic tossing that JSS does. IMO, that works for him, because as he's doing it, it is SO obvious that he FEELS the music and it's a part of the performance. Like him or not in Journey, he's got "it" when it comes to stage presence.

Of course, with regard to Steve Perry, the stage presence is a given. I'm not sure many people would question that, because he OWNS the songs of his era. They are just a part of him. Friga said it himself in the BTM.

I know, I know... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't with me (you don't need to lecture me again, Rick :P ). I acknowlege Arnel's vocal ability. He does a great job covering these songs. Now that I think of it, perhaps that's one of the reasons I loved JSS in this band. There really was no comparing him to the 'voice'. He made no attempts to really try to mimic SP. Even if you closed your eyes, you still knew it was someone other than Steve Perry on the stage.


Actually, I pretty much agree with everything you said. :P Arnel is still green. Hopefully the stage presence will come along. As for Soto and Perry, they are masters of their craft and absolutely own the stage.
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby donnaplease » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:13 pm

Rick wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
That is better.However, one problem that others have pointed out is that he runs around to much and I think he sounds winded at times which effects his vocals.


I have thought from the beginning that Arnel didn't have the stage presence to pull this off. I based my opinions on the YTs of him standing on a stage with a music stand in front of him, and/or not looking at or engaging the fans in front of him. Obviously, he is no longer doing that. He is very animated, for sure. While I agree that Arnel has an incredible voice, I still can't get past his stage presence. The running and jumping and kicking looks forced and unnatural to me. The movement needs to match the mood of the song. Someone mentioned the hair flipping and mic tossing that JSS does. IMO, that works for him, because as he's doing it, it is SO obvious that he FEELS the music and it's a part of the performance. Like him or not in Journey, he's got "it" when it comes to stage presence.

Of course, with regard to Steve Perry, the stage presence is a given. I'm not sure many people would question that, because he OWNS the songs of his era. They are just a part of him. Friga said it himself in the BTM.

I know, I know... you're damned if you do and damned if you don't with me (you don't need to lecture me again, Rick :P ). I acknowlege Arnel's vocal ability. He does a great job covering these songs. Now that I think of it, perhaps that's one of the reasons I loved JSS in this band. There really was no comparing him to the 'voice'. He made no attempts to really try to mimic SP. Even if you closed your eyes, you still knew it was someone other than Steve Perry on the stage.


Actually, I pretty much agree with everything you said. :P Arnel is still green. Hopefully the stage presence will come along. As for Soto and Perry, they are masters of their craft and absolutely own the stage.


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Postby perryfaithful » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:23 pm

OUCH!
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Postby texafana » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:27 pm

Expect alot of this CORP BULLSHIT reviews. It was going on back in the day for Journey and will happen now as well. For some reason...Journey is STILL the #1 band you hate to love and love to hate.....always will be.
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Re: Here's my review of that same show. Guess we differ?

Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:30 pm

donnaplease wrote:I have thought from the beginning that Arnel didn't have the stage presence to pull this off.

Concert attendance, most reviews and peoples' opinions after the shows suggest differently.
donnaplease wrote:I based my opinions on the YTs of him standing on a stage with a music stand in front of him, and/or not looking at or engaging the fans in front of him.

Oh, you mean pretty much like Perry did when they toured Asia? That was a cultural thing and he was on a 5 foot stage.
donnaplease wrote:Like him or not in Journey, he's got "it" when it comes to stage presence.

And the "it" part of said stage presence put how many asses in seats on his solo "tour?" Like I've said all along, stage presence is highly overrated. In the end it's all about a memorable voice.

donnaplease wrote:He made no attempts to really try to mimic SP.

Probably because he couldn't on most songs. But the ones he (kind of) could he sure as shit did (IBAWY, WYLAW, MOL...all post Frontiers). Not that I have a problem with that because unlike you, trying to prop the guy up for not being able to pull off a good imitation on some of the songs, the vast majority of people at the shows do want to hear the songs sung the way they remember them.
donnaplease wrote: Even if you closed your eyes, you still knew it was someone other than Steve Perry on the stage.

That will always be the case. Most just want it as close to what we remember as possible. Hell, if that's your stance, pop in the re-records. Most of them sound nothing like Perry so you should love them. :lol:
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